Welcome to Now That I Know.
We’re Cale (Control Alt Recover) and Mindy Corbett (Revenue Optimization & Intelligence), and we’re stripping away the corporate polish for a reality check on what happens when the blind spots finally vanish.
We’re putting absolutely everything on the table (our own personal faceplants, relationship dynamics, and "frequent learning opportunities" included) to talk about the four things that actually dictate our success and our sanity:
Our Jobs: Fixing the expensive disasters nobody wants to admit to. We share exactly how we drag dead corporate initiatives out of the graveyard and stop workflows from bleeding cash.
Our Spouses: Managing marriage, ego, and ambition under one roof. Specifically, how we've worked in adjacent home offices for over six years and somehow avoided a courtroom.
Our Customers: Stopping the habit of treating customer signals and data like a Rorschach test so we can finally face the brutal truths the market is screaming at us.
Ourselves: Setting aside our egos, biases, and assumptions while partnering to stand up two brand-new businesses from scratch simultaneously. We are learning as we go and trying to avoid burnout... because who actually reads the manual?!
We can't tell you what to expect because we don't know either! Hit subscribe, and let’s find out together.
Three old friends pick up where they left off, covering a Metallica show, Transformers, and how AI turned one of them back into a coder. We get into what AI is actually good for (getting past creative inertia, real-time feedback on code, and finally sorting a lifetime of music), plus why it's only as good as the sources it learns from. Then the talk drifts to rock legends, the session players behind the hits, and why your kids have never heard of half of them. We close with the funniest moments from our podcasting run and what's next.
Takeaways
AI is best at the tedious work you've been putting off.
It makes a surprisingly good programming partner, with instant feedback.
What AI learns from matters, so good sources and ethics come first.
Great music lasts because of the people behind it, including the session players nobody names.
Comedy works when you find a persona that's really yours.
Chapters
00:00 Friendship and Transformation
02:59 Transformers and AI Bots
06:04 Using AI to Get Unstuck
09:01 The Metallica Show
11:59 Rock Legends
14:53 AI as a Creative Boost
19:22 AI as a Coding Partner
21:24 Real-Time Feedback
22:28 Breaking Barriers with AI
24:56 Coding Again
26:34 Training AI Responsibly
29:01 The Love Equation
32:54 Why Sources Matter
35:44 Ethics, Stoicism, and AI
40:15 From Vinyl to Playlists
42:21 Letting AI Organize the Music
44:03 Preserving Music with AI
45:34 Icons and Their Legacy
48:26 The Generation Gap in Music
51:06 The Session Players Behind the Hits
55:36 Looking Back on the Podcast
59:30 Comedy and Persona
01:02:07 Favorite Moments
01:04:19 What's Next
7 Oct 2026
My Baby's In Love with Eddie Vedder
Cale and Mindy discuss the challenges of balancing work and home life while working together. They explore coping mechanisms, communication strategies, and the importance of setting boundaries to maintain a healthy work-life balance. In this conversation, Mindy and Cale discuss the importance of setting personal boundaries, effective communication in partnerships, and finding joy in everyday moments. They share personal anecdotes and insights that highlight the significance of accountability and understanding each other's needs.
Takeaways
Work-life balance challenges
Effective communication strategies Set personal boundaries
Communicate effectively with partners
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Light Banter
02:52 Navigating Work-Life Balance
03:52 Coping Mechanisms for Focus
07:12 The Red, Yellow, Green System
12:01 Setting Boundaries in Work
19:42 Pro Tips for Better Work Habits
21:40 Coffee Habits and Boundaries
22:56 Public Accountability and Confessions
25:01 Understanding Needs in Partnerships
26:58 The Importance of Communication
28:29 Finding Joy in Small Moments
29:59 Sharing Positive Experiences
31:49 Life Lessons from Animals
34:07 Celebrating Life's Simple Joys
2 Oct 2026
ROI Demo 90 Day Custom Roadmap
Mindy Reviews ROI's 90-Day Roadmap, the ROI Calculator, the Revenue Health Assessment, and how these and ROI's other tools can help you get control of your revenue cycle.
Takeaways
Importance of understanding the gaps in your RCM processes
How to use the 90-Day Roadmap
Calculating Your ROI
The Revenue Health Assessment
Chapters
00:00 The 90-Day Roadmap
02:10 Your Personalized Revenue Cycle Roadmap (Results)
06:50 Calculate your ROI
08:37 The Revenue Health Assessment
Links:
Revenue Optimization & Intelligence - 90 Day Action Plan (https://www.roithatworks.com/action-plan.php)
Revenue Optimization & Intelligence - ROI Calculator (https://www.roithatworks.com/roi-calculator.html)
Revenue Optimization & Intelligence - Revenue Health Assessment (https://www.roithatworks.com/assessment.html)
mindy@roithatworks.com (mailto:mindy@roithatworks.com)
2 Oct 2026
ROI Demo Denials Cost Calculator and Denials Triage
The conversation delves into the financial impact of claim denials on healthcare practices, highlighting significant losses and recovery challenges. It emphasizes the importance of understanding denial rates and implementing strategies to mitigate these financial risks.
Takeaways
Claim denials lead to significant losses
What recovery looks like
Chapters
00:00 The Financial Impact of Claim Denials
Links
Revenue Optimization & Intelligence - Denial Cost Calculator (https://www.roithatworks.com/tools/denial-cost-calculator/)
Revenue Optimization & Intelligence - Denials Triage Diagnostic (https://www.roithatworks.com/tools/denial-triage-diagnostic/)
mindy@roithatworks.com (mailto:mindy@roithatworks.com)
2 Oct 2026
ROI Demo EDI Intelligence Lab Part 2
In this demo, Mindy discusses various CARC codes related to healthcare billing and denials, providing insights into their meanings and implications for billing practices. She emphasizes the importance of understanding payer policies, documentation requirements, and prevention strategies to effectively manage denials.
Takeaways
Strategies for managing denials
Appeal and prevention strategies
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to CARC Codes
02:45 Navigating Denials: CARC 49 and 197
05:04 Understanding CARC 50 and 252
07:49 Resources for Managing Denials and Appeals
Links
Revenue Optimization & Intelligence - EDI Intelligence Lab (https://www.roithatworks.com/index.html#lab)
mindy@roithatworks.com (mailto:mindy@roithatworks.com)
2 Oct 2026
ROI Demo EDI Intelligence Lab Part 1
In this conversation, Mindy provides a detailed demonstration of the EDI Code Intelligence Lab on her website, ROI That Works, focusing on specific Claim Adjustment Reason Codes (CARC) and their implications for revenue optimization in healthcare billing. She emphasizes the importance of understanding adjustment and remark codes to effectively manage denials and improve billing processes.
Takeaways
Understanding EDI codes is crucial
Remark codes provide essential insights
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to EDI Code Intelligence Lab
02:53 Exploring Key Cart Codes
06:11 Deep Dive into CARC Codes
08:58 Navigating Vague Denials: CARC 16
Links
Revenue Optimization & Intelligence - EDI Intelligence Lab (https://www.roithatworks.com/index.html#lab)
mindy@roithatworks.com (mailto:mindy@roithatworks.com)
1 Oct 2026
Spirit of Omaha: Rush, Mr. Big, and Running a Company With Your Spouse
Cale and Mindy Corbett share personal anecdotes about their experiences at concerts, particularly focusing on their encounters with the band Rush and the opening act Mr. Big. They transition into discussing their professional relationship as business partners and how they navigate communication and conflict resolution in their dual roles as spouses and colleagues. The conversation explores the dynamics of collaboration and communication between Cale and Mindy Corbett, focusing on their strengths and weaknesses as partners in both business and personal life. They discuss the importance of recognizing each other's capabilities, setting boundaries, and the challenges of working from home together.
Takeaways
Concert experiences shape memories
Balancing personal and professional roles Strengths and weaknesses in partnership
Importance of setting boundaries
Chapters
00:00 Concert Memories and Anecdotes
08:10 Navigating Business and Personal Dynamics
16:37 Navigating Near-Death Experiences
18:46 Understanding Strengths and Weaknesses
19:39 Collaborative Dynamics in Business
24:11 Communication Challenges and Solutions
28:21 Setting Boundaries in Work and Home Life
31:25 Visual Signals for Communication
24 Sept 2026
Career Inflection Points & Finding Purpose
The episode features the rest of the conversation between Cale Corbett and Terry Hale, covering topics such career transitions, learning opportunities, and inflection points. It emphasizes the importance of making decisions, inspiring others, and recognizing opportunities for growth and development. The discussion also touches on the overlap of skills and disciplines in different career paths, as well as the impact of inflection points on career trajectories. The discussion also explores historical parallels and the significance of self-improvement within a community.
Takeaways
Recognizing inflection points
Overlap of skills and disciplines
Importance of making decisions
Inspiring others Leadership involves making decisions that impact the team and the organization.
Recognition and validation from team members can have a lasting impact on leadership decisions.
Building a supportive community can provide purpose, direction, and a sense of normalcy during professional transitions.
24 Sept 2026
Leadership, Team Trust & Psychological Safety
The conversation covers a range of topics, including the initial meeting between Cale and Terry, Terry's professional background, his experience with Oracle, and his leadership roles at Target. The discussion also delves into the importance of leadership, psychological safety, and the value of documenting processes and procedures. The conversation covers topics related to leadership, career transitions, inflection points, and the overlap of different disciplines. It also delves into the concept of memes and the impact of inflection points on decision-making. The conversation covers topics such as decision-making, team building, talent retention, and the impact of organizational changes on individuals. It also delves into the importance of recognizing and supporting team members, the challenges of outsourcing, and the value of building a supportive community.
Takeaways
Leadership and psychological safety are crucial for effective team dynamics.
Documenting processes and procedures is essential for creating a consistent and repeatable experience for customers and team members. Leadership extends beyond authority and can be demonstrated through influence, thought leadership, and setting an example.
Career transitions often involve learning new skills and adapting to new roles, requiring a willingness to learn and a proactive approach to opportunities.
Inflection points in one's career or life signal the need for a decision, and making a choice is crucial to avoid being pushed down a path by external forces.
The concept of memes, as discussed in the conversation, highlights the universal applicability of certain principles and the commonality of certain mechanisms across different disciplines. Decision-making impact
Talent retention
Building a supportive community
16 Sept 2026
Three Finger Salute?
Cale discusses the concept of Control Alt Recover, its origins, and its application in helping B2B SaaS organizations overcome strategy blockers and scale successfully. He outlines the patterns and signals that indicate strategy blockers and explains the environmental and mechanical factors that contribute to organizational friction and delays. Cale also shares the three paths through which clients engage with him and the unique approach he takes to help organizations recover and grow.
Takeaways
Control Alt Recover: A strategic approach to help B2B SaaS organizations overcome strategy blockers and scale successfully.
Identifying Signals: Recognizing patterns and signals that indicate strategy blockers and organizational friction.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Control Alt Recover
02:06 Signals of Strategy Blockers
05:23 Environmental and Mechanical Factors
11:01 Engaging with Clients
14:53 Leadership Operating System
15:22 Unique Approach to Recovery
2 Sept 2026
This Episode Sucks
The conversation begins with an introduction and humorous anecdotes, leading into a discussion about the impact of denials in healthcare. This is followed by an exploration of the denials cost calculator, the financial impact of denials, root cause analysis, recovery potential, and challenges in obtaining accurate denials data. The conversation covers the implementation of a denials cost calculator and a denials triage service, both aimed at helping healthcare practices recover lost revenue. The denials cost calculator provides insights into the financial impact of denials, while the denials triage service offers a consulting solution to address denials and revenue recovery.
Takeaways
Denials in healthcare have a significant financial and time impact
Understanding the denials cost and recovery potential is crucial for healthcare practices Denials cost calculator
Denials triage service
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Humorous Anecdotes
04:25 The Impact of Denials in Healthcare
06:12 The Denials Cost Calculator
07:54 The Financial Impact of Denials
12:47 Root Cause Analysis and Recovery Potential
18:28 Challenges in Obtaining Accurate Denials Data
21:18 Denials Cost Calculator
22:29 Denials Triage Service
27 Aug 2026
Welcome to the Jungle: Navigating the Cross-Functional Matrix Org
Cale flies solo in this episode and walks through a high-level version of what he calls his leadership field guide. The focus is practical leadership: how to recover stalled initiatives, develop people, handle dependencies, protect resources, adapt to change, and stay effective in the AI era. He closes by emphasizing a leadership style built on listening, judgment, and reading the room rather than forcing control.
19 Aug 2026
Oh the Humanity! (in the loop)
The conversation delves into the use of AI in revenue cycle management (RCM) and the importance of human involvement in the process.
It also explores the impact of AI on business operations and the need for strategic governance.
Takeaways
Human involvement is crucial at every stage, from the beginning to the end.
AI can be effectively used to automate repetitive tasks, predict outcomes, and optimize workflows, but it should be used as a tool and not allowed to work against human decision-making.
The implementation of AI in business operations requires strategic governance and careful consideration of potential pitfalls.
Chapters
00:00 The Role of Human Involvement in RCM
03:00 Impact of AI on Denials and Revenue Leakage
05:27 Preventing Denials with AI
08:29 Integrating AI into RCM Workflows
15:38 Significance of Data Governance and Protection in AI
31:19 AI in Data Processing and Healthcare
33:13 The Role of Human Oversight in AI Implementation
36:06 Pitfalls of AI-Driven Automation
39:30 Impact of AI on Business Operations
10 Aug 2026
Smells Like Team Spirit: Leading Across the Generational Divide
The conversation explores the challenges of leadership, team dynamics, and effective decision making in a professional setting presented by generational differences. It delves into the importance of self-awareness and the impact of leadership on team performance.
Takeaways
Self-awareness is crucial for effective leadership.
Leaders should aim to build and empower their teams.
Chapters
00:00 Leadership and Team Dynamics
00:00 Effective Decision Making
31 Jul 2026
Sacred Cows Make Great Burgers: Hard Truths, Hard Resets, and Real Talk
In this episode, Cale discusses the origin and concept of his business, Control Alt Recover. He explains the Courage and Clarity Framework and emphasizes the importance of influence and relationships in business success. The conversation delves into the topics of dealing with sacred cows, having courage and clarity in conversations, and the approach to teaching and mentoring.
Takeaways
Business Frameworks
Influence and Relationships Courage and clarity
Addressing sacred cows
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Cale's Business
01:03 The Origin of Control Alt Recover
03:23 The Concept of Control Alt Recover
15:48 The Courage and Clarity Framework
22:23 Influence and Relationships in Business
26:24 Dealing with Sacred Cows
27:23 Courage and Clarity in Conversations
38:34 Teaching and Mentoring Approach
22 Jul 2026
Under Pressure: Burnout, Late Nights, and Humanizing RCM
The human side of revenue cycle management, and why it matters.
After years of working late nights, dealing with endless denials, and trying to piece together scattered data, I realized something profound:
it's not about the numbers. It’s about people. When I built my tool, Revenue Optimization & Intelligence, I was driven by one goal: to make life easier for every healthcare professional stuck in that infinite loop of guesswork.
Because behind every denied claim, there’s a human stuck in a loop, all just trying to do their best. This isn’t just software; it’s a human-focused engine that gives providers control, clarity, and time back.
And at the core? The understanding that technology should serve us, not replace the human touch. Maybe that’s the point.
Worth thinking about.
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