不知名游戏人的茶话会时间，从业内视角扯些老少咸宜的内容。
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October 12, 2025
SP4: 550亿美元砸晕EA x 翻转体育
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>本期节目是我和《翻转体育》的主播滑轮，以及《电竞产业独立评论》的主笔文健的一期串台节目。以下是滑轮老师的shownotes:</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">9月底，一条游戏产业新闻震动了我这个做体育播客的外行人：沙特主权财富基金，550亿美元的天价，收购游戏巨头EA（艺电）。这笔接近4000亿人民币的交易，将成为史上最大的私有化收购之一。而我对EA的印象，还停留在少年时打开《NBA Live》时那句经典的“EA Sports”开场音效。<br>这个制作了《FIFA》《模拟人生》等知名游戏的公司，值这个价吗？<br>沙特，这个我们印象中的“石油土豪”，为何要买下一个美国游戏公司？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期，我请来了两位深谙游戏与电竞产业的嘉宾。和他们的讨论完，我重新理解了，EA的核心资产远不止一款足球游戏，它是一座由体育IP堆砌而成的金矿；而沙特的野心也远超“撒钱”，它正通过试图成为混乱电竞世界的“定义者”。节目中，我们会聊到：</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">EA如何靠“抽卡”模式年入数十亿，又为何被玩家戏称为“美国腾讯”？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">从《FIFA》到《eFootball》，足球游戏正在上演怎样的主机与手游的“错位战争”？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在沙特电竞园区，当戴头巾的女性玩家全家出动，游戏能否改变一个保守国家的夜生活？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">为什么说在电竞世界，沙特的影响力可能远超过它在传统足球中的地位？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">550亿美元的交易背后，是一场关于电竞话语权、国家形象与产业格局的博弈。<br>游戏能成为新的石油吗？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">【聊天的人】<br>hualun@翻转体育播客<br>水主@游戏矩阵播客<br>文健@电竞产业独立评论（公号）</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">【聊了什么】<br>02:12 历史级收购： 沙特PIF基金550亿美元收购EA，可能是史上最大私有化交易。<br>04:32 沙特早布局： “PIF在EA里已经占了快10%的股份，投了快十年了”。<br>07:08 钱还够不够： “线性城市（Neom）听说预算都砍了，还以为沙特要缩紧银根了”。<br>11:58 摇钱树FIFA： “主要就靠《FC》（FIFA），光UT模式（氪金抽卡）一年几十亿美金”。<br>18:40 老对手实况： 曾经被FIFA超越，现在正在通过手游回归<br>23:45 美利坚腾讯： EA的口碑与玩家调侃的逻辑<br>26:45 王储游戏迷： 王储本人就是重度游戏玩家<br>31:52 电竞入奥难： “奥委会不接受开枪的游戏，但《FC》这种模拟体育也许可以”。<br>34:16 电竞组织乱： “各种组织在抢话语权，非常混乱”。<br>38:37 虚拟体育观： “比如《FC》是模拟体育，VR滑雪是虚拟体育”。<br>45:53 沙特见闻录： “保守国家，但电竞园区不缺人流不区分性别，成了夜晚新去处”。<br>49:08 产业链难留： “让程序员拖家带口去沙特？基本不可能”。<br>55:08 预测好中差： “好结局是做成电竞帝国，差结局是EA被沙特玩坏”。</p><span><br></span>
July 3, 2025
E56 PPT纺织以外的大厂商分生活
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">商分or战略一直是一个听起来很高端的存在，一毕业就可以和老板跟老板汇报听起来也是个很美的事情。另一方面，商分也时常伴随着价值究竟在哪里，凭啥指导研发，给老板能提供什么价值的疑问。这期节目我请到了做过策划的商分Alice老师，跟我们聊聊她在游戏大厂做商分的感受。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">时间轴</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">01:02|从策划到商分的心态变化</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">02:10|PPT只是工具而非目的</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">04:50|商分如何能do something</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">11:45|对Next big thing的一些想法</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">19:20|大游戏公司才需要商分么？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">25:50|行业的成熟期和巨型团队</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">28:30|十年后为何还没有GTA online 2：服务意识？</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">31:50|服务型游戏是西西弗斯推石头</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">35:40|为何SONY还是做不好服务型游戏</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">45:10|制作人就是不停的做决策</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">49:40|商分看起来高大上但也很卷</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">54:15|和老板坐在一张桌子上不代表什么荣耀</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">55:30|商分雕花屠龙里的苦与乐：建立自己的反馈循环很重要</p><span><br></span><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">编辑：游戏矩阵小甜筒</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/ab72-audiofreehighqps/7C/3F/GAqhp50MOw5kAAqFDAPX7F23.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/ab72-audiofreehighqps/7C/3F/GAqhp50MOw5kAAqFDAPX7F23.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/ab72-audiofreehighqps/7C/3F/GAqhp50MOw5kAAqFDAPX7F23.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="750" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/ab72-audiofreehighqps/7C/3F/GAqhp50MOw5kAAqFDAPX7F23.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="140"><br></p>
June 11, 2025
E55 长青游戏，停滞年代 x 确然不行
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期依旧是一期对谈节目。我请到了我的老朋友，E40及E45的嘉宾喵羽老师，一起来聊聊处在2025的当下我们对游戏行业的感受。2025年业已过半。相对前几年来说，今年的商业游戏领域可谓是静水微澜。E3期间的游戏新闻似乎也很难让人生出激动来。在这么个大家都在提“长青”的停滞世代里，有哪些趋势还在跟时代同频脉动？</p><span><br></span><p data-flag="normal" style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><span>时间轴</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>2:19</span><span> 游戏增长降速的表征</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>- 大厂开始乏力</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>- 神话没那么多</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>11:39 </span><span>“机制型”游戏的暂时胜利</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>- 长青游戏的胜利是机制型游戏的胜利</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>- 万事万物“+SLG”是符合时代潮流的事情</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>- 休闲游戏大有天地</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>27:55 </span><span>从业者的普遍沮丧和时代金线</span></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">- 发大财的机会再也没有了</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">- 行业看的机会更“小”</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">- 顺便聊聊“时代的叙事”</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">- 短视频带来的“小时代”</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><span>41:41</span><span> 我们最近都在玩什么，谈谈AI</span></span></p><p data-flag="normal" style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><span>编辑：游戏矩阵小甜筒</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4c26-audiofreehighqps/E7/CF/GAqh_aQMHidQAAFK5gPE5LSW.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4c26-audiofreehighqps/E7/CF/GAqh_aQMHidQAAFK5gPE5LSW.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4c26-audiofreehighqps/E7/CF/GAqh_aQMHidQAAFK5gPE5LSW.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1000" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/4c26-audiofreehighqps/E7/CF/GAqh_aQMHidQAAFK5gPE5LSW.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="186.66666666666666"></p><span><br></span>
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