2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law
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<p>AI and the Future of Law is your essential podcast for understanding how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the legal industry. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, each episode delves into cutting-edge technologies, trends, and strategies, providing invaluable insights for legal professionals, tech enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the future of law. Join us as we navigate the evolving landscape of AI, empowering the legal community to thrive in an era of unprecedented innovation.</p><br><p><strong>This podcast is presented by the American Arbitration Association with Creative Lawyers, and distributed by PLI - bridging world-class </strong>legal education<strong> with the global leader in </strong>dispute resolution<strong>.</strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
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Recent Episodes
July 21, 2026
What Is an AI-Native Law Firm? John Nay on Norm AI and Norm Law
<p>What is an AI-native law firm?</p><p>In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by John Nay, founder and CEO of Norm AI and Norm Law, for a conversation about agentic law, AI-native legal services, and what it means to build legal work around agents rather than copilots.</p><p>John explains how legal and regulatory reasoning can be embedded into AI agents, allowing them to perform first-pass work, learn from prior matters, and create compounding value over time. The conversation also explores how Norm Law combines attorneys, legal engineers, software engineers, and AI engineers; why client-specific knowledge can become persistent; and how outcome-based pricing may change the business model of legal services.</p><p>The episode also examines client trust, human supervision, experienced legal talent, and the Legal AGI Lab’s research into how AI agents may be evaluated, benchmarked, and governed by law.</p><p>Learn more about the Legal AGI Lab: <a href="https://lab.norm.ai" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lab.norm.ai</a></p><p>In this episode:</p><ul><li>What agentic law means</li><li>How AI agents differ from copilots</li><li>What an AI-native law firm looks like</li><li>The role of legal engineers and AI engineers</li><li>Outcome-based pricing and client trust</li><li>Human supervision in AI-native legal work</li><li>Legal AGI and the governance of AI agents</li></ul><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
July 7, 2026
How AI Is Reshaping In-House Legal Teams with Nick Fleisher
<p>How is AI changing the work of in-house legal teams?</p><p>In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Nick Fleisher, co-founder and CEO of Sandstone, an AI-native platform built specifically for in-house legal teams. Nick discusses how AI is transforming legal operations by helping legal departments manage intake, triage work, connect business context, and move from reactive service providers to proactive strategic partners.</p><p>The conversation explores why successful legal AI depends on data and context rather than simply deploying another chatbot, how AI systems can learn legal judgment over time, what lawyers should automate first, and why human oversight remains essential as agentic workflows become more common. Nick also shares why corporate legal departments are under increasing pressure as AI accelerates work across the business, and what that means for the future of legal teams.</p><p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li>Why in-house legal teams are adopting AI differently than law firms</li><li>Building AI-native legal infrastructure</li><li>Why legal AI is fundamentally a data and context problem</li><li>How AI can help legal teams become more proactive</li><li>What AI can—and can't—learn from lawyers</li><li>Understanding agentic workflows and human oversight</li><li>Why implementation is the key to successful AI adoption</li></ul><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
June 23, 2026
Can Law Firms Redesign Themselves for AI? Jen Leonard on Unprecedented
<p>Can law firms redesign themselves for a world shaped by generative AI?</p><p>In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Sharon Crane, president of Practising Law Institute, for a conversation about Jen’s new book, Unprecedented: Designing a Human-Centered Law Firm When Everything Is Changing. Together, they explore why law firm transformation is difficult, how storytelling can make change feel more accessible, and why collaboration, human-centered design, and practical experimentation matter in the AI era.</p><p>The conversation also covers PLI’s AI competency framework, the value of business fables, the history of the Cravath system and the billable hour, how Jen used AI as a writing partner, and what the future of junior lawyer training might look like.</p><p>Learn more about Unprecedented: Designing a Human-Centered Law Firm When Everything Is Changing:</p><p><a href="https://www.pli.edu/catalog/publications/treatise/unprecedented-designing-a-human-centered-law-firm-when-everything-is-changing/447974" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.pli.edu/catalog/publications/treatise/unprecedented-designing-a-human-centered-law-firm-when-everything-is-changing/447974</a></p><p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p><ul><li>Why law firm change requires human buy-in</li><li>How storytelling can make transformation more usable</li><li>Why the current legal business model is not inevitable</li><li>How AI can act as a co-intelligence, not a shortcut</li><li>What junior lawyer training might look like in the AI era</li></ul><p><br></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>
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<p>AI and the Future of Law is your essential podcast for understanding how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the legal industry. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, each episode delves into cutting-edge technologies, trends, and strategies, providing invaluable insights for legal professionals, tech enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the future of law. Join us as we navigate the evolving landscape of AI, empowering the legal community to thrive in an era of unprecedented innovation.</p><br><p><strong>This podcast is presented by the American Arbitration Association with Creative Lawyers, and distributed by PLI - bridging world-class </strong>legal education<strong> with the global leader in </strong>dispute resolution<strong>.</strong></p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
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