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About Abstraction
If you’re interested in hearing how the world’s biggest problems are being tackled with tech, join Hunter Watkin as he learns out in the open with leading entrepreneurs, investors and experts who are building, funding and working with emerging technologies to change the way we live. In each episode, Hunter and his guests break down what currently exists as opposed to what is aspirational when it comes to emerging tech, bringing to light the ways that people and companies are overcoming the obstacles that lie ahead. Hunter is an investor at VC firm, Rampersand. Contact: hunter@rampersand.com
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- 20 Jul 2022
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- 26 Jun 2023
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26 Jun 2023
S2: Carbon | E10: Is net zero a first-order problem?
Show Summary | It's June 2023. You’re the Founder, CEO, or CFO of a company, and are under pressure to increase operating efficiency. How does carbon-related technology stack rank in priority against other items of expenditure? I flipped the script and became interviewee for episode 10 of this carbon-focused series, sitting down with my colleague Abhi to talk about the progress made by Australia’s best carbon tech entrepreneurs and investors. It’s a 30-minute birds-eye view of what I’ve uncovered through chats with Alex, Olympia, Charlie, Hannah, Katherine, Tegan, Mick, Anastasia, Mike, and James. We discuss building an investment thesis on carbon, first-order problems, and the common traits of successful founders and companies. Timestamps | 0:00 - Intro 1:00 - Abhi’s background and show overview 3:00 - How we think about building conviction in an area of technology 5:30 - Mapping the relationship between carbon and commercial problems 7:30 - Guests and the problems they solve 9:00 - Do businesses put their money where their mouth is with climate? 12:00 - Who feels the pressure of net zero targets? 14:30 - Where do the biggest opportunities lie in carbon markets? 17:00 - Challenged preconceptions 22:00 - Key traits of successful companies and founders 29:30 - Getting in touch with Hunter, Abhi and Rampersand Series Guests | Alex - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-logan-cecil/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-logan-cecil/) Olympia - https://www.linkedin.com/in/olympiayarger/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/olympiayarger/) Charlie - https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlie-macdonald/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlie-macdonald/) Hannah - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-mourney/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-mourney/) Katherine - https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherinemcconnell1/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherinemcconnell1/) Tegan - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tegan-nock-a4079499/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/tegan-nock-a4079499/) Mick - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mliubinskas/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/mliubinskas/) Anastasia - https://www.linkedin.com/in/anastasia-volkova1/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/anastasia-volkova1/) Mike - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikezim/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikezim/) James - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesallston/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesallston/)

7 Jun 2023
S2: Carbon | E9: James Allston – How software is driving the clean energy transition
Show Summary | Episode 9 of this carbon-focused series is with Orkestra Co-Founder, James Allston. Solar and batteries often provide a significant financial return when used in a commercial setting. However, James has little faith that with current software, humans can deploy clean energy at the level required to prevent our planet from warming a further 1.5 degrees. That’s why three energy experts, James, Chris, and Michael, created Orkestra. Orkestra makes understanding the financial return on solar and battery projects incredibly easy, before helping businesses sell, install, track, and optimise these projects into the future. Tune in to hear about the Orkestra solution and James’ hot takes on what the immediate future looks like for Australian and global businesses that rely on public energy markets. Timestamps | 2:00 - Orkestra’s beginnings 7:00 - why Orkestra was born from people saying James’ consulting service was too expensive 9:00 - The tradeoff between educating customers and building a true product-led software business 12:00 - How does Orkestra fit into carbon markets and what impact does it actually have 14:30 - Orkestra’s customers and who benefits 17:30 - The value of in-front-of-the-meter, neighbourhood and behind-the-meter batteries 25:00 - Where in Australia is the best place to install solar at the home 28:00 - Impact of Russia / Ukraine on electricity prices here in Aus and why AEMO shut our energy markets down 30:00 - why pricing volatility and the movement to renewables actually drives a greater commercial pressure to adopt decentralised energy technology 38:00 - Orkestra’s focus on scope 1 and 2, and James’ thoughts on scope 3 40:00 - James’ perspective on what matters most to being a successful founder Connect | James’ Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesallston/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesallston/) Orkestra website - https://www.orkestra.energy/ (https://www.orkestra.energy/)

25 May 2023
S2: Carbon | E8: Mike Zimmerman - Funding Australia’s best deep tech
Show Summary | Main Sequence partner Mike Zimmerman has an unrivalled Aussie climate tech investment CV. Notably, he’s an investor in companies founded by two previous podcast guests Anastasia (Regrow) and Tegan (Loam). He has been a founder and led three venture-backed companies in AU/US, and reflects candidly in this episode on the mistakes he made as a founder, applying this to today’s capital raising environment. We cover why Main Sequence warms to and is uniquely positioned to fund deep tech, why it has made certain investments, their unique ‘venture science’ model for supporting startups, and where Mike sees greatest opportunity for Aussie carbon tech solutions. Timestamps | 1:30 - Mike’s journey to partner at Main Sequence 7:00 - Battle scars and lessons learned from founding Building IQ and working in a grow at all costs startup 8:30 - How Main Sequence invests and its unique love of deep tech 11:00 - Investing alongside government 12:00 - Working with the CSIRO 13:30 - Main Sequence’s unique practice of venture science 16:30 - Investing in the world leader for helping food companies source sustainable agriculture 20:00 - Investing in Loam Bio 24:00 - Where Main Sequence is spending a lot of its time deep diving 29:30 - Why Mike thinks Australia is a special place to launch climate tech companies Connect | Mike’s email - mike@mseq.vc (mailto:mike@mseq.vc) Mike’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikezim/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikezim/) Main Sequence website - https://www.mseq.vc/ (https://www.mseq.vc/)

9 May 2023
S2: Carbon | E7: Anastasia Volkova - Demistifying the ‘black box’ of supply chain emissions in agriculture
Show Summary | Episode 7 of this carbon-focused series is with Anastasia Volkova, the founder of Regrow Ag. Despite being the industry that manages and nurtures land, agriculture emits between 11 and 25% of global greenhouse gas emissions. Regrow uses a combination of remote sensing and ground truth data to help brands drive carbon insetting projects with upstream farmers and suppliers working on the land. Anastasia’s remarkable story spans starting her business while completing a PhD, a very important acquisition that led to finding product-market fit, and more recently raising capital while her home country of Ukraine was invaded. Enjoy 7 years of insight packed into a 40-minute conversation on what businesses that rely on agriculture really need in order to mitigate climate risk in their supply chains and how it can be done in a scalable way. Timestamps | 1:30 - Why businesses are the sustainable drivers of change and not-for-profits are limited in enacting enduring change 4:30 - The macro problem Regrow is addressing 5:00 - The problems of excess synthetic fertiliser on farms and why it exists 8:00 - Why you cannot manage without measurement 10:00 - Why you need a mix of ground truth, satellite and other tech to measure empower real-time decision making 14:30 - How brands using Regrow encourage adoption of the solution by farmers 18:30 - How Regrow helps customers understand and improve scope 3 emissions 23:30 - Why aggregate measurement of scope 3 rather than perfect, contract-level traceability of emissions is actually better 28:00 - Regrow’s biggest challenge: finding product-market fit 30:00 - The trade off between short-term v long term gains as a climate tech startup 34:30 - Regrow’s early adopters and bullseye Ideal Customer Profile 36:30 - Capital raising for Regrow as Ukraine was invaded 41:30 - What Anastasia will be doing when she retires Connect | Anatasia’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/anastasia-volkova1/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/anastasia-volkova1/) Regrow’s website - https://www.regrow.ag/ (https://www.regrow.ag/) Anastasia’s recent blog on scope 3 - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/scope-3-spotlight-climate-action-anastasia-volkova-phd (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/scope-3-spotlight-climate-action-anastasia-volkova-phd)

25 Apr 2023
S2: Carbon | E6: Mick Liubinskas - The godfather of Australian climate tech
Show Summary | Episode 6 of this carbon-focused series provides a bird's-eye view of the local climate tech ecosystem with the help of Climate Salad founder and local angel investor @Mick Liubinskas We map the solutions to climate problems across the reduction and removal of emissions, adapting to our changing environment, and improving how we interact with nature. Mick also explains why he believes that most Australian climate tech startups are fundamentally undervalued. PS: Mick’s claim to superstardom is that he came up with the name ‘Startmate’. 😯 Timestamps | 2:30 - Mick’s background and going all in on Climate tech 4:30 - Climate Salad and climate tech angel investing 9:00 - The climate tech industry map and the four categories of impact 12:00 - Why corporates are investing directly in carbon reduction and removal solutions 15:00 - How corporates looking to understand and act on their scope 3 emissions 18:00 - Why climate problems can’t be solved with software alone 21:00 - What drives Mick’s assessment of investment opportunities 26:00 - What red flags to watch out for when it comes to climate tech investors 31:00 - Products helping corporates on the demand side of carbon markets 37 :00 - Mick’s new fund and helping climate tech companies expand internationally 39:30 - Getting involved with Climate Salad and connecting with Mick Company Mentions | Cecil - https://www.cecil.earth/ (https://www.cecil.earth/) Emmi - https://www.emmi.io/ (https://www.emmi.io/) Enosi - https://enosi.energy/ (https://enosi.energy/) Goterra - https://goterra.au/ (https://goterra.au/) Loambio - https://www.loambio.com/ (https://www.loambio.com/) Regrow - https://www.regrow.ag/ (https://www.regrow.ag/) Ripe Robotics - https://www.riperobotics.com/ (https://www.riperobotics.com/)

11 Apr 2023
S2: Carbon | E5: Tegan Nock - The carbon-eating fungus for farmers
Show Summary | In episode 5 of this carbon-focused series, we hear from former farmer and Loam Bio founder Tegan Nock. Loam Bio is introducing a “gateway drug” that gets growers hooked on building stable soil carbon into their cropping systems. Fresh off a A$105 million Series B raise, Tegan shares how a simple seed coating could deliver a significant revenue opportunity for farmers while helping solve the problem of excess atmospheric carbon around the world. We chat about what motivates farmers, carbon insetting, and why Tegan thinks farmers need to be careful about who they deal with when it comes to carbon credits. Timestamps | 01:30 - Tegan’s background and the origin story of Loam Bio 4:30 - Macro problem 5:30 - The product(s) and how they are used 8:30 - Commercial incentive to use Loam Bio for farmers 11:00 - What does “stable” carbon mean and why does it matter 13:30 - The administration and requirements to convert stable carbon sequestration into a carbon credit 17:30 - Raising A$105m, traction to date and immediate goals 20:00 - The time it will take to prove the power of the ‘perfect’ fungus 25:00 - The things people try to get farmers to do on their farms 29:30 - Biggest problem in carbon markets 31:00 - Carbon insetting and ensuring farmers are careful of entering carbon credit contracts with companies 35:00 - Biggest wins 36:30 - Life outside Loam Bio Connect | Tegan’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tegan-nock-a4079499/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/tegan-nock-a4079499/) Tegan’s Twitter -https://twitter.com/TeganNock (https://twitter.com/TeganNock) Loam Bio Website - https://www.loambio.com/ (https://www.loambio.com/)

28 Mar 2023
S2: Carbon | E4: Katherine Mcconnell - Energy independence for Aussie households
Show Summary | Episode 4 of this carbon-focused podcast series is with Brighte founder Katherine Mcconnell. Katherine epitomises founder-market fit, but when she had a market shifting idea for helping households become more energy efficient 8 years ago, raising venture capital wasn’t so easy. Having now helped electrify 120,000 homes (and counting), hear about the balance Katherine strikes between improving customer experience, efficiently growing a business, putting out fires in the finance industry and working with the government to mobilise the shift to clean energy. Timestamps | 2:00 - The risk Katherine took on her career and the level of personal conviction she had 5:30 - The finance problem Brighte solves for households 7:30 – Accessing and serving customers efficiently 10:30 - How Katherine actually got this business of the ground and finding her first believers 14:30 - How the world has changed to make Brighte more attractive 20:00 - The extra challenge of being an advocate for change as a Climate tech founder 24:00 - The importance of understanding how to approach and work with government 25:30 - How Brighte has built its competitive advantage 27:30 - VC funding vs other sources 31:30 – Brighte’s most pressing challenges 34:30 - Why Katherine loves permaculture Connect | Katherine’s Linkedin -https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherinemcconnell1/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherinemcconnell1/) Katherine’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/KMcConnell_au (https://twitter.com/KMcConnell_au) Brighte’s Website - https://brighte.com.au/ (https://brighte.com.au/)

14 Mar 2023
S2: Carbon | E3: Hannah Mourney & Charlie MacDonald - Where to invest?
Show Summary | Charlie Macdonald believes farmers are the most underserved player in carbon markets and Hannah Mourney has observed a mismatch between marketing and impact when it comes to ‘sustainable’ consumer products and fashion. In episode 3 of this carbon focused series, these investors share how they think about capital allocation to reach net zero, the drivers for supply and demand in carbon markets, and why the embedded impact businesses they invest in win in the long term. Timestamps | 1:30 - Charlie and Hannah’s paths to joining Giant Leap 6:30 - What Giant Leap’s mandate of ‘impact embedded into the business model’ means 12:00 - The Speed and Scale plan and thinking about allocation of capital to reach net zero 14:00 - How Giant Leap focuses its attention 20 :00 - How Giant Leap views and defines carbon markets 26:30 - Assessing quality of carbon projects 28:00 - Why Giant Leap made a recent investment in Trace 32:00 - What the Giant Leap team think is overhyped from a carbon impact perspective 37:00 - Why Charlie has a soft spot for farmers and why insets beat offsets 39:00 - How Hannah and Charlie stay informed Connect | Hannah’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-mourney/ Charlie’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlie-macdonald/ Charlie’s Substack - https://charliemacdonald.substack.com/p/coming-soon Giant Leap - https://www.giantleap.com.au/ Mentions | Speed and Scale Plan - https://speedandscale.com/ Trace - https://www.our-trace.com/ Loambio - https://www.loambio.com/ Bloomberg Green - https://www.bloomberg.com/green Climate Salad - https://www.climatesalad.com/

27 Feb 2023
S2: Carbon | E2: Olympia Yarger - The maggot-filled robots combatting GHG from food waste
Show Summary | In episode 2 of this series on carbon, I chatted to industry rockstar Olympia Yarger, the founder of Goterra. Food waste generates 3x more greenhouse gas emissions than the airline industry, and sending recyclable waste to landfill is expensive for big producers. In this episode, hear about how the unlikely combo of shipping containers, robots, a pumpable slurry and soldier flies drive down GHG emissions while improving the operational efficiency of companies like Lendlease, Woolworths and Melbourne Airport. Timestamps | 0:00 - What Goterra is and Olympia’s background 3:30 - The macro problem Goterra is helping to solve 5:30 - The waste Goterra processes and how 7:00 - What happens inside the shipping containers and why maggots eating waste is valuable 9:00 - The big breakthroughs that have got Goterra to where it is today 11:30 - Goterra’s customers 14:30 - How Goterra makes money 19:30 - How Goterra measures its own impact 22:30 - How Goterra thinks about growth and reaching new customers 24:30 - Olympia’s biggest challenges 29:00 - the importance of the relationship built with customers 33:30 - Alone time and switching off 36:30 - When Olympia’s job is done at Goterra Connect | Twitter - @olympiayarger Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/olympiayarger/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/olympiayarger/) Website - https://goterra.au/ (https://goterra.au/)

12 Feb 2023
S2: Carbon | E1: Alex Logan - Ensuring carbon credits are effective
Show Summary | How a carbon credit is originated and its actual impact has historically attracted scepticism. The first guest of this podcast series on Carbon tech, Alex Logan, is building the supporting software tooling for carbon project developers working with nature to create and maintain reliable carbon credit supply. Alex explains how this supply has to date been unreliable due to poor data governance and fragmented systems, and tells us why the demand for these finite credits is driving companies to invest in and move closer to the origination of carbon removal projects. Listen to Abstraction on all the major platforms here: https://linktr.ee/hunterwatkin (https://linktr.ee/hunterwatkin) Timestamps | 1:30 - What led Alex and Rory to take on such an intimidating problem 3:30 - What in Alex’s day to day led him to gaining conviction in this solution being a way to effect change at scale 7:00 - What a carbon credit is and how Cecil fits into the lifecycle of a carbon credit 10:00 - What goes into pricing a carbon offset or project and are project developers being incentivised in the right way? 14:00- The different stakeholders in carbon markets and Cecil’s focus on carbon project developers 18:00 - Why buyers of carbon credits want to originate projects 20:00 - The types of projects Cecil will and won’t support 24:00 - Magic moments and early wins for Cecil 26:30 - Why Vera has a 5 year backlog of projects needing verification and the data challenges that limit fast and efficient verification 31:30 - Why those involved with carbon projects are incentivised to be transparent 34:00 - the impact of inflation, impacted energy prices and the availability of capital on Cecil 38:00 - Alex’s message to people that are curious about working in climate Connect | Alex’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-logan-cecil/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-logan-cecil/) Alex’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/alexlogan_ (https://twitter.com/alexlogan_) Cecil’s Website - https://www.cecil.earth/ (https://www.cecil.earth/) Hunter’s socials - https://linktr.ee/hunterwatkin (https://linktr.ee/hunterwatkin)

9 Feb 2023
S2 | Trailer: Carbon
This season the topic is 'Carbon'. The guests are A+, I'm pumped. Join me in finding out why this is the 'decisive decade' for innovations in carbon removal, decarbonisation and the market for carbon project finance and credits. This will progressively impact the way we live and work, it's just a matter of how. Subscribe on your platform of choice: linktr.ee/hunterwatkin

6 Dec 2022
S1: Web3 | E8: Zhuoxun Yin - Three Aussies, $130million and a vision for the creator economy
Show Summary | For the season finale of Abstraction, I had the pleasure of interviewing Magic Eden founder Zhuoxun Yin in his debut Australian pod appearance. Zhuoxun (aka 'Zedd') is one of three Aussie founders based in the US on a mission to build the biggest crypto-powered creator marketplace in the world. It’s a bold goal and a big bet, but it's one that the best traditional VCs (Sequoia, Lightspeed and Greylock) as well as crypto VCs (Electric and Paradigm) have made. We cover the Magic Eden founding story, learning fast, FTX (of course), making unpopular decisions as a founder, raising for a web3 startup and more. Timestamps | 1:00 - Zhuoxun’s journey to date (Bain, Nimble, DyDx, Coinbase) 5:15 - Taking the risks to leave Bain, join a small startup called Nimble, be the 2nd employee at a protocol building on top of Ethereum 8:30 - How the founders came together to build an NFT marketplace on Solana 11:00 - Why moving fast as a startup in Web3 is even more important than every before 15:00 - The risks of being focused on Solana and being ready to move where the developers and users are 18:30 - When Magic Eden happy to use a third party solution instead of building something themselves 23:00 - The FTX debacle, and how Magic Eden protects against mismanagement 25:30 - The hard decision to make royalties optional, and how Magic Eden is focused on building technology that helps creators monetise without relying on royalties 30:00 - why zero royalty NFT marketplaces are gaining traction (despite it hurting creators) 32:00 - dealing with the demands of constant accountability from the community 36:00 - Comparing community / customer management at Magic Eden compared to Coinbase 39:00 - Why Zhuoxun thinks gaming and loyalty is the most exciting Web3 opportunity in the short term 43:00 - Reflections on capital raising for a web3 startup, and tips for founders looking to raise 49:00 - Raising cash vs raising with tokens 52:00 - Zhuoxun’s biggest mistake 55:00 - what Zhuoxun’s up to while he is in Aus Connect | Zhuoxun’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/ZhuoxunYin Zhuoxun’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/zhuoxun-yin-3ba93728/ Magic Eden’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/MagicEden Magic Eden’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/magic-eden/ Magic Eden Website - https://magiceden.io/

8 Nov 2022
S1: Web3 | E7: Daniel Dizon - Running nodes and making loads
Show Summary | The word 'stake' in crypto land really annoyed me the first few times I came across it. I struggled to understand it or compare it to anything I'd seen or heard of before.Episode 7 of Abstraction is a sharp lesson on 'staking' with the help of Daniel Dizon, co-founder and CEO of Swell Network. It involves, in crypto terms, a relatively low risk investment for a material reward.Daniel and his co-founder Lecky Lao are making this more accessible for ordinary people, abstracting away the risks and barriers to entry that limit participation. We discuss what staking is, why one should care, how it compares to ordinary forms of investing, and the mechanics around how Swell generates yield for its users. Timestamps | 3:00 – The orgins of Swell 4:30 – what is proof-of-stake and why is ‘staking’ necessary? 6:30 – the existential threat that motivated Daniel to build on Ethereum 8:00 - the difference between running a node and staking and how you make money in each case 10:00 – barriers to entry for node operators and what’s required to run a node 10:30 – why does getting staking rewards via a decentralized rather than centralized vector matter? 12:30 – how much control do you have as an investor in Swell on where your yield comes from? 14:00 -How do you make sure that node operators are reliable? 15:30 – why the Merge will increase participation in staking? 19:00 – Daniel’s perspective on staking as an investment class 21:30 – state of protocol and what will come following their recent capital raise 23:30 – Swell’s go-to-market strategy 25:00 – Devising Swell’s tokenomics strategy 26:30 – getting started with Swell 27:00 = Connecting with Daniel and Lecky Connect | Swell website and DApp - https://swellnetwork.io/ Daniel’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-dizon/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-dizon/) Lecky’s Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/leckylao/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/leckylao/) Swell Network Twitter - https://twitter.com/swellnetworkio (https://twitter.com/swellnetworkio) Swell Network Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/swellnetworkio/ (https://www.linkedin.com/company/swellnetworkio/)

18 Oct 2022
S1: Web3 | E6: Clement Oh - lnside the token launch of Australia's biggest Web3 company
Show Summary | Clem Oh has a story of ambition and grit. His journey from law/commerce dropout to self taught engineer is a brave one. Having worked at the coal face of the token launch for Australia's biggest Web3 company, Immutable, Clem has some surprising first-hand reflections on what’s involved. We discuss: * the complexities that come with airdrops and ensuring ownership is distributed for the long term benefit of a project * misconceptions about working on web3 projects and the impact of 'the Merge' * whether the introduction of mobile devices will catalyse mainstream crypto use Enjoy 😊 Timestamps | 1:20 – Clement’s unusual background 7:30 – the preparatory steps for a token launch 11:00 – biggest challenge encountered during the token launch 12:30 – the dual track focus of building and keeping a community updated 15:00 – why technology means communities hold more power in web3 v web2 17:30 – why the development of smart contracts is not as cumbersome as people might think 21:10 – Clement on whether he would develop on chains other than Ethereum 22:30 – Clement on the merge and why it improves environmental impact but not scalability 28:00 – Clement on the effectiveness of DAOs and what needs to be in place 30:20 – whether the introduction of mobile phones from crypto companies will be the catalyst for crypto use from the early majority – could improve this context switch 36:00 – Clement’s contrarion views on how best to cut through to learn efficiently in Web3 39:00 – where to connect with Clement Connect with Clement | Clement’s Linktree - https://linktr.ee/clemoh This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit abstractionpodcast.substack.com (https://abstractionpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

26 Sept 2022
S1: Web3 | E5: Shane Brunette - Tax a look over your shoulder
Show Summary | This interview is essential listening for anyone that’s transacted with crypto to date, particularly those that haven’t properly turned their minds to tax yet (it’s time, ladies and gentlemen). Shane and I delve into the common web3 transactions and their tax treatment. We also discuss how the Crypto Tax Calculator software connects with exchanges and wallets to give you a full picture of your tax position. We finish with some clear steps on how to use Crypto Tax Calculator as an individual, and how to work with accountants to ensure you’re compliant. Timestamps | 2:00 - Shane’s foray intro crypto, working with a decentralized exchange, and experiencing his own crypto tax nightmare 4:30 - The problem Crypto Tax Calculator is solving and how the company has evolved to date 7:30 – How the product sits alongside today’s traditional accountants and advisors 10:45 - Talking through the typical transactions someone might make when buying a cryptocurrency or an NFT 13:30 – More complicated tax events (ie airdrops and staking) 19:30 - Algorithmic vs collateral backed stablecoins – Terra Luna Case Study 24:00 - What staking means 27:00 - Liquidity provision and it’s tax treatment 30:30 - How to use Crypto Tax Calculator as an individual 36:00 - What Shane wants to see that will help protect individuals against tax surprises 38:20 - Where to follow Shane and Crypto Tax Calculator Connect with Shane and Crypto Tax Calculator | Shane’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanebrunette/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanebrunette/) Shane’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/sshbrunette (https://twitter.com/sshbrunette) Crypto Tax Calculator Twitter: https://twitter.com/CryptoTaxHQ (https://twitter.com/CryptoTaxHQ) Crypto Tax Calculator Website: https://cryptotaxcalculator.io (https://cryptotaxcalculator.io) This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit abstractionpodcast.substack.com (https://abstractionpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

7 Sept 2022
S1: Web3 | E4: Abhi Maran - What lives beneath the open blockchain sea?
Show Summary | Episode 4: What lives beneath the open blockchain sea? What actually sits beneath the user interface of blockchain-based apps and protocols that we use to trade crypto assets? Understanding how assets move around, how transactions are verified and how safely and securely this is done can be a nightmare. Fortunately, today’s guest Abhishek Maran is seasoned when it comes to abstracting away the complexity of blockchain infrastructure and identifying today's biggest challenges and opportunities. The episode is a masterclass in: the inverted pyramid structure of blockchain layers the movement of digital assets between different blockchains the infamous builder’s trilemma between speed, security and control competition in Web3, using OpenSea as a case study Enjoy :) Timestamps | 2:00 – Abhi’s background 6:30 - the layers that make up blockchain infrastructure 9:00 - open-source and composability 12:00 - building on Ethereum vs other blockchains 13:00 - grant making – how blockchain developers try and attract other builders 14:30 - scalability trilemma 16:30 - the difference between storing data on chain vs off chain 18:00 - OpenSea Case Study: a discussion around defensibility and decentralisation 24:30 - bridging, portability, and the feasibility of this multichain metaverse 30:30 - 51% attacks , bad actors and verifying on chain behaviour 37:00 - why Abhi founded DAO Under 42:00 - Eth Down Under – an event not to be missed! Connect with Abhi | Twitter - https://twitter.com/AbhishekM__10 (https://twitter.com/AbhishekM__10) Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/abhishekmaran/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/abhishekmaran/) Substack - https://substack.com/profile/16982586-abhishek-maran (https://substack.com/profile/16982586-abhishek-maran) Mentions | Magic Eden - https://magiceden.io/ (https://magiceden.io/) ArcX - https://arcx.game/ (https://arcx.game/) Eth Down Under - https://ethdownunder.com/ (https://ethdownunder.com/) DAO Under - https://twitter.com/dao_under (https://twitter.com/dao_under)

22 Aug 2022
S1: Web3 | E3: Joni Pirovich - Can decentralised governance work?
Show Summary | Many see a future where organisations, both public and private, are able to function free of traditional leadership and decision making powers, relying solely on rules encoded by computer programs. In a perfect world, these rules need no changing or interpretation. However, history tells us that there is no such world. So, without enforceable rules and means of intervention, how does one get comfort that they will be protected when things go wrong? Who manages complaints and resolves disputes? This is one of the key barriers to the mass adoption of web3 commerce today, and why am I excited to be sharing this insight-packed interview with digital assets lawyer and consultant Joni Pirovich. Tune in below to hear about how Joni thinks through the risks and rewards of DAO participation, protocols and exchanges as well as why the relationship between software developers and lawyers is more important than ever before. Timestamps | 2:15 - Joni explains why she went all in on blockchain & digital assets 8:40 - Transacting with wallets and on exchanges – who bears the risk? 13:30 – Will startups be able to earn consumer trust over banks? What does insurance look like? 20:00 – DAOs: their history, how they exist in substance vs legal form 31:00 – The interplay between code and law in web3 – what happens when there are disputes or complaints? 34:00 - How Joni is helping improve the local regulatory environment 39:00 – Zero-knowledge proofs and transacting pseudonymously 44:30 – where Joni looks for thought leadership Connect with Joni | Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonipirovich/?originalSubdomain=au (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonipirovich/?originalSubdomain=au) Twitter: https://twitter.com/jonipirovich (https://twitter.com/jonipirovich) BADASL Website: www.badasl.com (http://www.badasl.com) BADASL Discord: https://discord.gg/t9rZNM4Q (https://discord.gg/t9rZNM4Q) Mentions | TracerDAO - https://tracer.finance/ (https://tracer.finance/) Nexus Mutual - https://nexusmutual.io/ (https://nexusmutual.io/) Mycelium - https://mycelium.xyz/ (https://mycelium.xyz/) Elliptic - https://www.elliptic.co/ (https://www.elliptic.co/) Chainanalysis - https://www.chainalysis.com/ (https://www.chainalysis.com/) BanklessDAO Discord - https://discord.gg/t9rZNM4Q (https://discord.gg/t9rZNM4Q)

3 Aug 2022
S1: Web3 | E2: Matt Harcourt - DeFi - Is it worth the risk?
Show Summary | Despite the crypto horror stories of late, some are doubling down.In this episode, I talk to Matt Harcourt from Apollo Capital. Matt Harcourt’s job is to consider evolving risks and invest in opportunities that have emerged from financial instruments powered by code, which are purportedly free of dependence on intermediaries and interference from bad actors.Matt takes us through how one can (still) build wealth in decentralised finance and we reflect on the learnings from the last few months of crypto turmoil and what it might mean for the ecosystem in the short to medium term.In Matt’s words, the episode is “unapologetically technical” at times, so I’ve included a cheat sheet of key terms on Substack. Follow Matt on Twitter @DeFiGuy3 Timestamps | 1:30 - Matt’s background and journey into DeFi 3:00 - The ways in which Apollo invests 4:20 - How Apollo is navigating the crypto winter and what they’ve learned from recent events 12:20 - Providing liquidity to a liquidity pool and the associated risks 13:30 - Smart contracts and protocols 14:30 - Comparing the governance of a protocol to the function of a traditional company 16:30 - Assessing smart contract risk 20:30 - The differences between TradFi, CeFi and DeFi 25:45 - Lessons to be learned from the mismanagement of Celsius (CeFi institution) 30:00 - A diversified approach to investing in crypto 32:00 - ‘Bridging’ risk and transferring crypto assets across different blockchains 36:30 - How Matt filters through hype and marketing 40:00 - What Apollo has planned and where you can follow Matt and Apollo Socials | Matt’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-harcourt-5b6742159/ Matt’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/DeFiGuy3 Apollo’s Website: https://www.apollocap.io/ Apollo’s Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/apollo-capital/ Apollo’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/ApolloCapitalAU Upside DAO (the new accelerator Apollo have formed in partnership with Caleb & Brown, Banxa and a number of other investors): https://twitter.com/Upside_Aus Other Notable Mentions: Index Coop - https://indexcoop.com/ Chain Flip - https://chainflip.io/ Stargate - https://stargate.cosmos.network/ Defi Llama - https://defillama.com/ Cheat Sheet | Thanks for listening to Abstraction! Subscribe to receive each episode in your inbox. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit abstractionpodcast.substack.com (https://abstractionpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)

20 Jul 2022
S1: Web3 | E1: Jessy Wu - Skin in the NFT Game
Show Summary | Today we hear from investor and community builder, Jessy Wu. We begin by exploring Jessy’s background and what has driven her love of community, before diving into the mechanics of non-fungible token technology, how this is facilitating community building, as well as the mental models Jessy thinks through when purchasing an NFT. She also shares her cautionary perspectives on speculative investment in the space, and how she approached learning by doing with her own Afterwork Astronauts NFT launch. We close with a discussion around assessing investment opportunities when looking at Web3 projects, and how this might differ from assessing traditional companies, with specific regard to defensibility and competition. Timestamps | Start - Afterwork, why Jessy joined, and their approach to community powered VC investing 2:25 - Episode summary and Jessy intro 6:00 - How communities have evolved over time, how they’ve weakened, and the shortfalls that stirred the formation of Web3 communities 15:30 - Mental model for purchasing NFTs 25:30 - Learning by creating a community - The 'Afterwork Astronauts' 34:30 - A case study on Earlywork - a community embodying Web3 principles 38:30 - Evaluating defensibility as an investor in Web3 45:00 - Where to follow Jessy Links | Jessy's Socials - Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessyzwu/ Twitter - https://twitter.com/jessywu95 Afterwork - Afterwork Astronauts website - https://www.afterwork.vc/astronauts Afterwork founder deck - https://docsend.com/view/j9ef29z5658zvxcr Afterwork Astronauts discord - https://discord.com/invite/xJTUzfTt?fbclid=IwAR2hFajSG6bQ7rYAvC3E3n_IqG17Y51Q_8_lBwfnM1X5JRpqDxdgufabFMA NFT Projects - Crypto Coven - https://www.cryptocoven.xyz/ Fortune Friends Club - https://fortunefriends.club/ Astro Girls - https://www.astrogirls.wtf/ Bored Apes - https://boredapeyachtclub.com/#/ Keen to receive each podcast in your inbox? Subscribe below. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit abstractionpodcast.substack.com (https://abstractionpodcast.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1)
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