Where LLMs, AI Agents, and MCP tools meet DevOps and platform engineering. How can we humans use non-deterministic, often hallucinating LLMs to automate our infrastructure and help us with the job of software lifecycle management? I’m Bret Fisher, and this is the Agentic DevOps podcast. After the invention of AI Agents and the MCP standard in late 2024, I started this podcast in early '25 with a narrow topic focus… to document and advise how AI Agents, MCP tools, and large language models can be used in the real world for assisting with DevOps automation, platform engineering, and day to day systems operations… a podcast series hopefully without the hand-wavy AI hype or dreams of a pure AI workforce. I'm joined by expert guests trying to make use of crazy texting robots.
Host Bret Fisher analyzes recent AI production failures, revealing infrastructure security lessons learned from incidents at OpenAI and Hugging Face.
21 Aug 2026TRANSCRIPT
AI Agent Sandboxing with Nono
Host Bret Fisher interviews Luke Hinds, co-founder of nolabs Inc., about leveraging the nono CLI for secure AI agent sandboxing and advanced features.
1 Aug 2026TRANSCRIPT
AI-Native Engineering Culture from a CTO
Host Bret Fisher interviews CTO Mike Rollins about building an AI-native engineering culture where teams prioritize AI over traditional code reading.
17 Jun 2026TRANSCRIPT
Safer Agent Automation with GitHub Agentic Workflows
Host Bret Fisher interviews Don Syme and Peli de Halleux about enhancing automation safety with GitHub Agentic Workflows.
6 May 2026TRANSCRIPT
AI SREs, Chat With Your Infrastructure with Anyshift
Host Bret Fisher interviews Anyshift.io co-founders Roxane Fischer and Stephane Jourdan about using AI SRE agents to proactively identify risks and prevent infrastructure incidents.
29 Apr 2026TRANSCRIPT
Can AI Agents Safely Become DevOps Engineers?
Sam Alba, co-founder of Mendral, joins the show to discuss their new AI agents that act as “junior devops engineers” against GitHub Actions, security, failed tests, and more.
Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/zHmE6VpWD7o (https://youtu.be/zHmE6VpWD7o)
🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automation and dive into Agentic DevOps. Meetups are happening now, with new course videos dropping every few weeks. Join the Guild and become your team's leader in AI for infrastructure automation https://www.bretfisher.com/theguild (https://www.bretfisher.com/theguild) 🍾
★Show Links★
Mendral website (https://www.mendral.com/)
Creators & Guests
Bret Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/bret-fisher) - Host
Beth Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/beth-fisher) - Producer
Cristi Cotovan (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/cristi-cotovan) - Editor
Sam Alba (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/sam-alba) - Guest
You can also support this podcast by subscribing to my YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@BretFisher) channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news (https://bret.news/)!
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Homepage bretfisher.com (https://bretfisher.com/)
(00:00) - Introduction
(05:16) - Why CI Needs Agents
(20:18) - How Mendral Learns and Automates
(44:21) - Trusting Auto Merge
(51:52) - Guardrails And Delivery
(01:00:17) - Harnesses And CLI Future
(01:11:27) - Future of Mendral
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14 Apr 2026TRANSCRIPT
Our Favorite Agent Setups
My friend Brian Christner (Docker Captain alum) and I go through our AI harnesses, agents, models, and what we’re playing with right now. OpenClaw, OpenCode, Claude Code, Copilot, and all of it.
Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/8AFE0kxaY2k (https://youtu.be/8AFE0kxaY2k)
🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automation and dive into Agentic DevOps. Meetups are happening now, with new course videos dropping every few weeks. Join the Guild and become your team's leader in AI for infrastructure automation https://www.bretfisher.com/theguild (https://www.bretfisher.com/theguild) 🍾
★Show Links★
Brian’s Newsletter (https://brianchristner.io/tag/newsletter)
Agents & Claude Code Setup
Awesome Claude Code Subagents (https://github.com/VoltAgent/awesome-claude-code-subagents)
Agency Agents (https://github.com/msitarzewski/agency-agents)
Claude Code Course (https://github.com/carlvellotti/claude-code-pm-course)
OpenClaw alternative (https://nanoclaw.dev)
Brian’s OpenClaw Projects
OpenClaw Security Checklist (https://brianchristner.io/openclaw-security-checklist-hardening-your-ai-agent-infrastructure)
Garmin Connect Skill (https://github.com/thebyteio/openclaw-skill-garmin-connect)
OpenClaw Security Dashboard Skill (https://github.com/thebyteio/openclaw-skill-security-dashboard)
Creators & Guests
Bret Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/bret-fisher) - Host
Beth Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/beth-fisher) - Producer
Cristi Cotovan (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/cristi-cotovan) - Editor
Brian Christner (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/brian-christner) - Guest
You can also support this podcast by subscribing to my YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@BretFisher) channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news (https://bret.news/)!
Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses (https://www.bretfisher.com/courses).
Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord (https://devops.fan/).
Grab some merch at Bret's Loot Box (https://bretfisher.myspreadshop.com/)
Homepage bretfisher.com (https://bretfisher.com/)
(00:00) - Introduction
(03:01) - AI Tools and Skills Deep Dive
(33:09) - Securing OpenClaw Servers
(39:15) - Safe Use Cases and Token Control
(50:00) - OpenClaw DOs and DON'Ts
(55:28) - NanoClaw and Container Future
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26 Mar 2026TRANSCRIPT
Four Months Felt Like Four Years
It’s been 6 months since the last episode, and it feels like everything has changed. Bret and Nirmal catch you up on the increasing pace of AI change, how it will likely affect DevOps engineers and platform builders, and what’s coming on the podcast.
Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/NkqAMAIW5ks (https://youtu.be/NkqAMAIW5ks)
🙌 The Agentic DevOps Guild has launched! It's a training + community + mentorship program for engineers wanting to learn the latest CI/CD automation and dive into Agentic DevOps. Meetups are happening now, with new course videos dropping every few weeks. Join the Guild and become your team's leader in AI for infrastructure automation https://www.bretfisher.com/theguild (https://www.bretfisher.com/theguild) 🍾
★Show Links★
Agent Harness Skills https://agentskills.io (https://agentskills.io)
Video of Gradel CEO "You can write code faster, can you deliver it faster?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXNJ9_sHuM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOXNJ9_sHuM)
Is your team still hand-chiseling code? https://www.geocod.io/code-and-coordinates/2026-01-21-hand-chiseling-code/ (https://www.geocod.io/code-and-coordinates/2026-01-21-hand-chiseling-code/)
Creators & Guests
Bret Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/bret-fisher) - Host
Beth Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/beth-fisher) - Producer
Cristi Cotovan (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/cristi-cotovan) - Editor
Nirmal Mehta (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/nirmal-mehta) - Host
You can also support this podcast by subscribing to my YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@BretFisher) channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news (https://bret.news/)!
Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses (https://www.bretfisher.com/courses).
Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord (https://devops.fan/).
Grab some merch at Bret's Loot Box (https://bretfisher.myspreadshop.com/)
Homepage bretfisher.com (https://bretfisher.com/)
(00:00) - ADOP - Feb 26, 2026
(02:23) - Introduction
(03:00) - Season Two Kickoff
(04:34) - Productivity Debate and Two AI Camps
(06:48) - Ops View from Dev Retreats
(10:05) - Automation Debt and App Tsunami
(16:29) - Frontier Models Changed Everything
(22:29) - Red Pill vs Blue Pill Skepticism
(25:31) - Three Focus Areas for DevOps
(27:51) - GitHub Copilot and Agentic Workflows
(31:17) - Harnesses That Run Longer
(31:51) - Skills As SOPs
(34:30) - Guardrails For App Tsunami
(36:30) - Agent Orchestration a nd Kubernetes
(37:50) - Shadow IT Goes AI
(38:30) - Inner Loop Diagram Breakdown
(40:54) - AI Code Review Councils
(43:09) - Context Layer And Docs Debt
(49:23) - Career Waves to Agent Ops
(57:29) - Future Guests and Episodes
(01:00:45) -
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25 Sept 2025TRANSCRIPT
AI Hype vs. Reality. Real Stats from Laura Tacho, CTO of DX
Bret and Nirmal are joined by Laura Tacho, CTO at DX and long-time friend of the show, to discuss AI usage and success in teams adopting AI and Agents to generate code and perform tasks.
🙌 Special Event on Thursday, October 2nd: Learn about Kubernetes Pod Live Migrations (between nodes) with me and Cast.AI, and maybe win our prizes, including AirPods Pro 3!
https://cast.ai/webinars/container-live-migration-bret/ (https://cast.ai/webinars/container-live-migration-bret/)
We finally have some real data on this topic, and Laura Tacho in her role at DX, the developer experience company, has been studying AI successes and failures in the industry and has released a framework to measure AI impact in an orgs software lifecycle.
Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/lTBubJd5L1o (https://youtu.be/lTBubJd5L1o)
★Show Links★
AI Measurement Framework (https://getdx.com/blog/introducing-the-ai-measurement-framework/)
DX Core 4 Framework (https://getdx.com/report/dx-core-4/)
Applying the Core 4 Framework (https://getdx.com/blog/how-to-measure-core-4-metrics/)
Creators & Guests
Bret Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/bret-fisher) - Host
Beth Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/beth-fisher) - Producer
Cristi Cotovan (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/cristi-cotovan) - Editor
Nirmal Mehta (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/nirmal-mehta) - Host
Laura Tacho (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/laura-tacho) - Guest
(00:00) - Teaser
(03:05) - Welcome
(04:58) - AI Measurement Framework
(07:40) - Distilling Fact from Fiction with AI
(25:22) - Skepticism and Adoption of AI Tools
(28:00) - Measuring AI Impact on Developer Work
(49:10) - Assisted vs Agentic
(56:02) - More Gains from Training Humans on AI
(01:04:39) - Measuring AI's Impact
(01:10:18) - Context Switching
(01:13:43) - Navigating AI Hype and Reality
You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@BretFisher) channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news (https://bret.news/)!
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Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord (https://devops.fan/).
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Homepage bretfisher.com (https://bretfisher.com/)
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1 Aug 2025TRANSCRIPT
My Favorite AI Terminal, Prompt Injection, and More
In this episode, I walk though some of my favorite new AI tools and content.
🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.
https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist (https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist) 🍾
Resources and Topics mentioned in this episode:
My AI Skeptic Friends are All Nuts (https://fly.io/blog/youre-all-nuts/), blog post from fly.io by Thomas Ptacek
From Toil to Triumph: Harnessing Agentic AI to Streamline Infrastructure as Code (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0xOnbV862k), KubeCon video by Jody Varney
The Dark Side of Just Hooking Up AI Agents to GitHub (https://ainativedev.io/news/malicious-github-issue-ai-agent-leak), blog post by Simon Maple from AI Native Dev
Warp 2.0 (https://www.warp.dev/)
Warp 2.0 walkthrough (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDXqMd3klvo)
Container Use project (https://github.com/dagger/container-use)
Devstral release in May (https://mistral.ai/news/devstral)
The latest Devstral release (https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Devstral-Small-2507)
SWE Bench (https://www.swebench.com/)
Creators & Guests
Bret Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/bret-fisher) - Host
Beth Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/beth-fisher) - Producer
Cristi Cotovan (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/cristi-cotovan) - Editor
(00:00) - Intro
(01:51) - High Fives Meetup
(03:18) - Warp 2.0 Terminal
(10:47) - Container Use and AI Agents
(12:01) - Dagger's Container Use
(14:30) - Comparing Free and Foundational AI Models on SWE Bench
(21:29) - Insights from Videos and Blog Posts
(24:31) - Security Concerns with AI Agents
You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@BretFisher) channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news (https://bret.news/)!
Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses (https://www.bretfisher.com/courses).
Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord (https://devops.fan/).
Grab some merch at Bret's Loot Box (https://bretfisher.myspreadshop.com/)
Homepage bretfisher.com (https://bretfisher.com/)
★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★ (https://patreon.com/BretFisher)
22 Jul 2025TRANSCRIPT
AWS Agentic DevOps with the EKS MCP Server
Bret and Nirmal are joined by Rajdeep Saha from AWS to discuss AI agents and the MCP (Model Context Protocol) standard. In this episode, they explore how AI can manage infrastructure with ease and demonstrate creating Kubernetes clusters with a single prompt.
🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.
https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist (https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist) 🍾
We demonstrate AWS's new MCP server for EKS, showing how AI agents can create Kubernetes clusters and deploy applications with simple English prompts. Using Claude Sonnet 4 through the Cline VS Code extension, Raj creates an entire EKS cluster with CloudFormation, deploys a workload, and demonstrates how the AI automatically troubleshoots and fixes deployment issues - all without touching kubectl or writing YAML manually.
We explore the Model Context Protocol (MCP) standard and how it enables AI agents to dynamically discover and use tools, from AWS services to cost calculators. We discuss the security implications of giving AI write access to AWS accounts, the challenges of context window management, and why local LLMs struggle with complex agentic workflows compared to foundational models like Claude.
We cover emerging standards, particularly Google's Agent-to-Agent (A2A) protocol that was recently donated to CNCF. This complements MCP by standardizing how agents communicate with each other, potentially leading to agent marketplaces where specialized agents can collaborate on complex tasks.
We stress the need for proper security guardrails, best practices, and organizational readiness. As Raj puts it, "Gen AI is an awesome white horse, but you still need Gandalf to ride it."
Looking ahead, we predict rapid evolution in agentic frameworks, multi-agent support, and standardized authentication. For DevOps professionals, the bar is rising - tasks that once took a week may soon be expected in two days with AI assistance. It is becoming crucial to understand these tools before they reach mainstream.
Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/dAkNUoZ_xtw (https://youtu.be/dAkNUoZ_xtw)
Creators & Guests
Bret Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/bret-fisher) - Host
Beth Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/beth-fisher) - Producer
Cristi Cotovan (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/cristi-cotovan) - Editor
Nirmal Mehta (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/nirmal-mehta) - Host
Rajdeep Saha (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/rajdeep-saha) - Guest
(00:00) - Introduction
(05:28) - Why Use Cline with VS Code?
(15:16) - Security and Best Practices
(17:01) - MCP "Marketplaces"
(24:59) - Understanding MCP Endpoint Calls
(26:28) - AWS Account Communication and Tool Access
(26:55) - Cost Estimation with Serverless MCP
(27:58) - Agentic Systems and Iterative Feedback Loops
(30:18) - Deploying and Debugging with EKS MCP Server
(32:56) - Challenges with LLMs in Troubleshooting
(39:47) - Agent to Agent Communication (A2A)
(46:47) - Anticipating Future Developments
(47:24) - Practical Advice for Cloud Engineers
(51:17) - Amazon Q
(58:22) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts
You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@BretFisher) channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news (https://bret.news/)!
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14 Jul 2025TRANSCRIPT
Agentic CI/CD with Solomon Hykes of Dagger
Bret and Nirmal discuss the intersection of AI agents and DevOps with Solomon Hykes, co-founder of Dagger and Docker. Solomon introduces Container Use, an open-source MCP server that gives coding agents isolated, containerized environments to work in, solving the critical problem of agents interfering with each other when running on the same system.
🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.
https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist (https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist) 🍾
Also in this episode, we explore how AI agents are forcing a fundamental shift in CI/CD practices, with Solomon making the case that traditional CI/CD as we know it will disappear because agents develop 100x faster than humans and can't tolerate slow, unrepeatable build processes. Container Use enables developers to run multiple coding agents in parallel, each in their own sandboxed environment.
We examine the emerging MCP ecosystem and its potential trajectory, drawing parallels to how containers evolved from developer tools to infrastructure platforms. Solomon warns about the rapid "gatekeeping" phase already happening with MCP, where vendors rush to lock down and monetize what started as an open developer innovation space.
Other topics we touch on are: the four core components of agentic workflows, security challenges with untrusted text injection (the new "SQL injection" problem), token cost management, and the importance of balancing proprietary AI services with open-source infrastructure layers.
Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/ZSbCPIAKGlc (https://youtu.be/ZSbCPIAKGlc)
Creators & Guests
Bret Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/bret-fisher) - Host
Beth Fisher (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/beth-fisher) - Producer
Cristi Cotovan (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/cristi-cotovan) - Editor
Nirmal Mehta (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/nirmal-mehta) - Host
Solomon Hykes (https://agenticdevops.fm/people/solomon-hykes) - Guest
(00:00) - Intro
(07:11) - MCP Server and Integration
(16:57) - Future of CI/CD and Agentic Workflows
(20:22) - Four Areas of Concern
(26:15) - The New Gatekeepers
(47:09) - Token Costs vs Efficiency
(48:49) - Balancing Open Source and Proprietary Systems
(49:27) - The Rise of Kubernetes and MCP
(50:21) - Security Concerns with LLMs and MCP
(55:39) - Advice for Developers in a Rapidly Changing Landscape
(59:11) - Introducing Container Use into Your Workflow
(01:02:29) - The Future of AI and DevOps
(01:09:17) - Coding Agent Blind Spots
(01:13:43) - Scaling with Dagger and Kubernetes
(01:15:47) - The Dagger Community
You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@BretFisher) channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news (https://bret.news/)!
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9 Jul 2025TRANSCRIPT
Running AI MCP Tools on Kubernetes with kagent
Eitan Yarmush, Senior Architect at Solo.io, elucidates AI agents in Kubernetes, focusing on the kagent project's Kubernetes-native deployment and management of AI workflows in an interview with Bret Fisher and Nirmal Mehta.
3 Jun 2025TRANSCRIPT
Is AI ready for DevOps?
Hosts Bret Fisher and Nirmal Mehta discuss the transformative potential of AI agents in revolutionizing DevOps, platform engineering, and related fields in this insightful episode recorded at KubeCon London.
27 May 2025TRANSCRIPT
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Luke Hinds
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