AI Governance Podcast - California's ADMT Regulations with Phil Laird
Host Matt McCallum interviews Phil Laird, General Counsel of the CPPA, about California's ADMT regulations, risk assessments, and the DROP platform, offering insights into AI governance operationalization.
12 May 2026TRANSCRIPT
AI Governance Podcast - AI Governance Across Borders with Sunil Gregory & Anindya Sircar
Sunil Gregory and Dr. Anindya Sircar discuss AI governance challenges across borders, advocating for doctrine over new statutes in this interview with Matt McCallum.
13 Apr 2026TRANSCRIPT
Governing Digital Remains with Dr. Carl Öhman
Dr. Carl Öhman, an expert on the digital afterlife, discusses the ethical and regulatory challenges of governing our persistent digital footprints with Matt McCallum.
11 Mar 2026TRANSCRIPT
Compliance vs. Accountability with Bojana Bellamy
This episode of the AI Governance Podcast features Bojana Bellamy. Bojana is the President of the Center for Information Policy Leadership (CIPL), a preeminent global think tank, and has spent over 25 years at the center of global data pol
Bojana joined Enzai's Matt McCallum to discuss:
The critical shift from "tick-box" compliance to organizational accountability as a business enabler.
How boards should evaluate the "loss of opportunity" in AI deployment rather than just the risk of fines.
The challenges of governing Agentic AI and moving toward delegated trust models.
Reconciling the tension between data protection principles and the massive data requirements of representative AI models.
The role of Privacy-Preserving Technologies (PPTs) in maintaining global data flows and building digital bridges.
3 Feb 2026TRANSCRIPT
AI Governance Podcast - Fundamental Rights and Digital Law with Sophie in 't Veld (E14)
This episode of the AI Governance Podcast features Sophie in 't Veld.
Sophie is a defining figure in European digital rights, having served for 20 years as a Member of the European Parliament. She currently chairs the advisory council for the Centre for Democracy and Technology (CDT) in Europe.
Sophie joined Enzai's Matt McCallum to discuss:
• The transition from legislation to enforcement for the EU AI Act
• Critical lessons from the GDPR and why enforcement has become a "political currency"
• The dangers of the "National Security" exemption and its role in the proliferation of spyware
• Challenges of Agentic AI and why the principle of human review must remain technology-neutral
1 Apr 2025
GPAI Code of Practice with Boniface de Champris
This episode of the AI Governance Podcast features Boniface de Champris. Boniface is an expert on the EU AI Act, Senior Manager at CCIA Europe and a keen watcher of the debate around the GPAI Code of Practice.
Boniface joined Enzai’s Var Shankar to discuss:
Why the forthcoming GPAI Code of Practice is so important
How the EU AI Office interacts with Working Groups to draft the Code
Major changes between the second and third drafts of the Code
Expectations for the final draft of the Code
How work by researchers, including at the OECD and G7, informs AI laws
18 Mar 2025
LLM Explainability with Umang Bhatt
This episode of the AI Governance Podcast features Dr. Umang Bhatt. Umang is an Assistant Professor and Faculty Fellow at the Center for Data Science at New York University, a Senior Research Associate at the Alan Turing Institute and a leading researcher in the fields of AI explainability and transparency.
Umang joined Enzai’s Var Shankar to discuss:
How organizations might explain the workings of generative AI systems to end-users
Practical approaches to restricting access to generative AI systems, their outputs, and what they can be used for
Why it is important to close the loop on feedback from internal stakeholders
How AI can have a positive impact globally by personalizing education
How to promote responsible AI approaches from beyond North America, the EU and China
3 Mar 2025
Sustainable AI with James Ong
This episode of the AI Governance Podcast features James Ong. James is the Founder of the Singapore-based AI International Institute, Co-Author of “AI for Humanity: Building A Sustainable AI for the Future," and has bridged the divides between scientists, policymakers and investors for over 35 years.
James joined Enzai’s Var Shankar to discuss:
- The silver lining from the Paris AI Safety Summit
- The need to develop fields of AI other than generative AI
- How Asian countries can best contribute to global AI norms
- How sustainable AI is built on the three pillars governance, technology, and commercialization
- How to navigate incentives between scientists, startups, and investors
5 Feb 2025
The AI Policy Agenda going into Paris with Kristina Podnar
This episode of the AI Governance Podcast features Kristina Podnar. Kristina is the author of The Power of Digital Policy, Senior Policy Director at the Data & Trust Alliance and a digital policy advisor to boards and executives of private, non-profit and public sector organizations.
Kristina joined Enzai’s Var Shankar to discuss:
- outcomes to expect from Paris AI Action Summit
- why publicly owned AI is essential
- how to insulate publicly owned AI from politics
- why policymakers should focus on specific issues, like using AI to fight climate change and combating nonconsensual deepfakes, in addition to more general AI risks
- how organizations should adopt agentic and open-source systems amid regulatory uncertainty
31 Jan 2025
The Management-Based Approach with Cary Coglianese
This episode of the AI Governance Podcast features Cary Coglianese. Cary is the Edward B. Shils Professor of Law and Professor of Political Science and the founding Director of the Penn Program on Regulation at the University of Pennsylvania, the author of seven books on administrative law and regulatory policy and a leading expert on regulatory models for AI.
Cary joined Enzai’s Var Shankar to discuss:
- regulatory principles for AI, given the extreme heterogeneity of use cases
- why leashes – not guardrails – are the better analogy for AI governance
- what a management-based approach to AI regulation would look like
- why the jury is still out on the European, American, and Chinese regulatory approaches
- how future lawyers should think about legal education and practice.
5 Jan 2025
Responsible AI at Walmart with Nuala O'Connor
Enzai CEO Ryan Donnelly and Nuala O'Connor, Walmart's SVP and Chief Counsel for Digital Citizenship, explore the responsible AI efforts driving Walmart's success and the key opportunities and risks in generative AI.
9 Dec 2024
Agentic AI and our AI Future with Nell Watson
Var Shankar discusses agentic AI with Nell Watson, exploring the implications of moral AI and ubiquitous personal assistants on governance and societal change.
21 Oct 2024
International standards from 1840 to the Age of AI, with Scott Cooper
This episode of Enzai's AI Governance Podcast features Scott Cooper. Nobody understands the international standardization space better than Scott. An advocate for consumer protection, Scott’s was previously VP for Policy at the American National Standards Institute (ANSI). Scott also worked with lawmakers, companies and civil society – including advising the US House of Representatives and the CEO of Hewlett-Packard on consumer protection, governance, and standardization issues. Scott joined Enzai’s Var Shankar to discuss:
- how international standardization can help with many of the challenges that AI governance faces today, from benchmarking to upskilling;
- the origin of American standardization efforts during the 1840s, in the context of steam engine and ship safety;
- how the creation of land grant colleges during the American Civil War helped rapidly train a generation of engineers;
- how the assurance regime for toy safety – which brought together Chinese manufacturers, American retailers, and ISO-accredited testing, inspection and auditing companies – was eventually incorporated into hard law; and
- the implications of AI being accessible via natural language, in any language.
29 Sept 2024
IAPP AI Governance Center with Ashley Casovan
This episode of Enzai's AI Governance Podcast features Ashley Casovan. As Managing Director of IAPP’s AI Governance Center, Ashley helps industry leaders, policymakers and professionals better understand AI regulations and risks. Ashley joined the podcast with Enzai's Var Shankar to discuss:
- how public sector responsible AI efforts have progressed globally since Ashley led the drafting of Canada’s Directive on Automated Decision-making in 2021;
- the importance of connecting, educating and certifying AI governance practitioners, including through IAPP’s AI Governance Professional (AIGP) certification;
- IAPP’s initiatives in AI, privacy and cybersecurity – and why cross-functional leadership is important in AI governance;
- how policymakers have adopted varying approaches to AI governance in different jurisdictions; and
- the important role that civil society is playing in the AI community.
19 Sept 2024
Ethical AI Database with Abhinav Raghunathan
This episode of Enzai's AI Governance Podcast features Abhinav Raghunathan. Abhinav is an AI scientist and Founder of the Ethical AI Database, a resource that maps and analyzes the landscape of responsible AI organizations. Abhinav joined the podcast with Enzai's Var Shankar to discuss:
- use cases in which organizations have successfully incorporated Generative AI into their workflows;
- trends in AI governance programs and training efforts;
- why Abhinav founded the Ethical AI Database;
- some of the trends covered in the Ethical AI Database report for 1H 2024; and
- the potential for new initiatives in the responsible AI space.
19 Aug 2024
AI Soft Law with Carlos Ignacio Gutierrez
This episode of Enzai's AI Governance Podcast features Carlos Ignacio Gutierrez. Carlos is a global expert on AI soft law and has published a global database of over 600 AI soft law programs.
Carlos joined the podcast with Enzai's Var Shankar to discuss:
- how should organizations using Generative AI comply with with regulatory requirements;
- what major AI risks should policymakers be focused on;
- how hard law and soft law work together in AI governance;
- what promising governance models from other fields can we adapt for the AI field; and
- how business leaders and entrepreneurs should approach AI governance.
31 Jul 2024
AI Procurement with Dr. Cari Miller
Dr. Cari Miller is the Founder of the Center for Inclusive Change and the AI Procurement Lab, Vice Chair of the IEEE P3119 Working Group, and a globally recognized expert in AI procurement. In this episode of the AI Governance Podcast, Cari joins Enzai's Var Shankar to discuss the many ways in which AI can enter an organization, the RMF PAIS framework for AI procurement, how organizations should approach upskilling to better harness AI’s potential productivity gains, and how agentic systems will change the future of work.
21 Jul 2024
EU AI Act with Kai Zenner
Kai Zenner is the Head of Office & Digital Policy Advisor to MEP Axel Voss in the European Parliament. In this episode of the AI Governance Podcast, Kai joins Enzai's Var Shankar to discuss the EU AI Act, organizational roles including deployer and provider, regulator expectations, AI standards and lessons for policymakers in the US and UK.
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AI Governance Podcast - California's ADMT Regulations with Phil Laird
Published 11 Jun 2026 · Transcript excerpt
[…] And as I think you're touching upon, a big component of that is how much of the decision making process is happening at the technology level or at the human level. And obviously that can be a murky crossover area. And so our regulations essentially define automated decision making technology as any technology that processes personal information using computation that replaces or substantially replaces human decision making technology or decision making, sorry. And then they clarify that we did go forward to clarify what replacing or substantially replacing human decision making means when using a technology's output to make a decision with human involvement. […]
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