Hear from moms in all different scenarios doing their absolute best to honor themselves as individuals in a world that would prefer, as mothers, we not.
Hear from moms who are trying to figure out what that "something" is after the life altering transition into motherhood.
Hear from moms that say "I know I need to do something for myself and this is what it is, but it feels impossible to do it"
What is the AND/BOTH that you are juggling with motherhood? Career, hobbies, entrepreneurship, new identity, new activities, new passions and interests?
Publisher
Dr. Ashley Blackington
Category
health & fitness · kids & family · society & culture
133. Content That Compounds: Why Dana Bahr Built Her Business on Pinterest Instead of Instagram
Dana Bahr started her Pinterest marketing business in 2020 with her laptop on an Amazon box, a baby in a carrier, and an office manager job she hadn’t quit yet. She went full time two years later. She now has five kids, a twelve-year-old who schedules client content, and a very clear philosophy: build slow, build sustainable, and build something that lets you wander.
In this conversation, Ashley and Dana talk about why Pinterest is a search engine and not a social media platform, what the “I did it in three minutes” crowd leaves out, why visibility doesn’t have to mean being on camera, and what it looks like to build a business that funds a life rather than consuming one.
In This Episode
Starting a business on a lunch break with a baby in a carrier and a laptop on an Amazon box
Two years side-by-side before going full time — and losing two clients within a month of quitting anyway
Why the “launch in six weeks and quit your job” narrative leaves out the iceberg underneath
What financial freedom actually means when you’re a single mom of three — stability, a savings cushion, and the ability to wander
Pinterest as a visual search engine — why it’s closer to Google than Instagram and what that means for business owners
Why being omnipresent on every platform is a strategy for people with a team, not solopreneurs
Content that compounds vs. content that spikes — and why you need both
Wedding professionals and the opportunity hiding in pre-Pinterest galleries (vintage sheet cake, anyone?)
Why visibility doesn’t have to mean being on camera — and how Dana got confident enough to show up anyway
The twelve-year-old who now schedules Pinterest content for three clients and earns money from the business
The Style Pin Collection membership — thirty pin graphics a month, plug-and-play, forty-seven dollars
The Pinterest strategy intensive — ninety-day content calendar built from your existing assets
Building slow and sustainable on purpose — automations, systems, and not sitting at the desk after 4pm
Not everything is Pinterest perfect — and what actually goes into the before
Quotes From This Episode
“I wanted a lot of different variations of freedom. Time freedom being the majority of it because I’m very wander-filled.”
— Dana Bahr
“Visibility doesn’t have to mean being on camera. It is possible to grow a business and not keep your face.”
— Dana Bahr
“It’s the tip of the iceberg that everyone sees — do it in three minutes. But underneath that iceberg is a lot of work that got you to that place.”
— Dana Bahr
“Not everything is Pinterest perfect. And if it is Pinterest perfect, there is a whole lot that went into getting it perfect.”
— Dana Bahr
“The idea that you quit your job and just walk outside with a sign and someone hands you a hundred thousand dollars is Looney Tunes.”
— Ashley Blackington
Find Dana
Instagram: @danas.desk.nc
Podcast: The Unapologetic Pinner
Style Pin Collection membership: $47/month — find via Instagram or The Unapologetic Pinner
Connect with Ashley:
Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.com (https://www.ashleyblackington.com)
Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/ (https://www.andbothpodcast.com/)
Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822 (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822)
Instagram: @mydovetail.app (https://www.instagram.com/mydovetail.app/)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/)
2 Oct 2026
132. "If I Didn't Have My Business, I Couldn't Have Left," Lana Pummill on Single Motherhood, Cold Pitching & Starting Over
131. Your Impact Can't Just Be Outpouring, Lisa Avila on Building Something That Sustains You Too
Lisa Avila spent fifteen years in the wine industry, left to do migrant Head Start and advocacy work with families the system was failing, quit when COVID made the impossible impossible, and built a business strategy and nonprofit strategy practice on the other side of all of it. She works mostly with women. The question they all arrive with is the same one she had to answer for herself: now what?
In this conversation, Ashley and Lisa talk about the nonprofit trap — the idea that wanting to make an impact means you have to be a martyr about it — why women who help people deserve to make real money doing it, what it’s like to be sandwiched between kids and aging parents at the same time, and what the next right step looks like when you’ve spent decades outpouring and finally have some space to ask what you actually want.
In This Episode
Mom of three boys, fifteen years in the wine industry, migrant Head Start director — how Lisa got here
The COVID moment that made her quit — and why her boss didn’t understand until she had kids of her own
The nonprofit trap — why women who want to make an impact keep being told it has to be unprofitable
Why you can make a lot of money and still help people — and why we need to stop acting like those are opposites
The golden handcuff — when the organizations saying “we support women” require them to be nonprofits to qualify
What migrant Head Start actually looks like — and what happens to student records when families move across the country
The political reality of advocacy in a conservative agricultural town in California
Red cards, rights, and what’s changed for immigrant families since COVID
The Panini generation — being sandwiched between kids and an eighty-one year old mother, in perimenopause
Three boys 17, 19, and 20 — what it’s like when two come home from college for the summer
The client going global with her nonprofit — four years from a Facebook group to international impact
The client who sat on her cancer journey poems for seven years and finally published them
What the “now what” looks like — the question every woman Lisa works with is asking
Non-negotiables: a bath every night, coffee, a walk, girlfriends who keep it real
The airstream barbecue and dive bar tour — her plan for empty nest life
Quotes From This Episode
“Why can’t we make a lot of money and still help people? There’s nothing wrong with that. Why do we have to wear our heart on our sleeve and be martyrs?”
— Lisa Avila
“I’m not putting it out there that I only work with mothers, but it’s just this energy we’re drawn to — this now what.”
— Lisa Avila
“I was checking boxes for decades. Just outpour, outpour, outpour. And what did it get me?”
— Lisa Avila
“Your impact can’t just be outpouring. It has to be self-sustaining. Otherwise that’s how everyone flames out.”
— Ashley Blackington
“I am physically hot and I am pressed for time and patience and all of the things.”
— Ashley Blackington (on the Panini generation)
Find Lisa
LinkedIn: Lisa Avila
TikTok: @LisaAvilaCo
Connect with Ashley:
Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.com (https://www.ashleyblackington.com)
Podcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/ (https://www.andbothpodcast.com/)
Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822 (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822)
Instagram: @mydovetail.app (https://www.instagram.com/mydovetail.app/)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/)
Who has been a guest on AND/BOTH Podcast
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Amy LeClaire
Angie Enger
Julie Cole
Tricia Mirchandani
Kate Tovsen
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Podcast Authority Score: 59 / 100
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Social presence
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YouTube
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Engagement
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