Bagley Talks to an Important Person
Jason Bagley
4.8from 38 ratings
- 18
- Episodes
- 38
- Ratings
- Monthly
- Cadence
- 2022
- First episode
About Bagley Talks to an Important Person
Former Wieden+Kennedy Executive Creative Director Jason Bagley (created iconic campaigns for brands like Nike, Old Spice, KFC, Samsung, and more) interviews the world’s top advertising creatives, breaks down their creative process, and reveals the secrets and techniques to doing the best work of your life.
- Publisher
- Jason Bagley
- Category
- comedy · education
- Language
- en
- Explicit
- No
- First episode
- 4 Aug 2022
- Latest episode
- 20 Jul 2026
Latest episodes
18 episodes in the feed.
20 Jul 2026
18: Jessica Shriftman: How To Sell A Crazy Idea To A Terrified Client
Jessica Shriftman is currently a freelance creative director with 14 years of experience in an ad agency and startup advertising. Her background lies in art direction, strategy, and creative direction, spanning the gamut of concept to content. She’s known in the industry for delivering thought-provoking ideas that propel brands into pop culture, garnering press and transforming sales. She was selected three times for Business Insider’s list of The Most Creative People In Advertising and was named a Next Creative Leader and Female Frontier by Campaign US. Jessica’s work has received accolades from Emmy nominations to Cannes Lions and D&AD pencils. Jason’s Free Masterclass Training: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/cd-webinar-registration-version-b/ (https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/cd-webinar-registration-version-b/) Learn The Secrets And Techniques Of The World's Best Advertising Pros: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/) Follow Jason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/) Jessica’s Portfolio: https://jessicashriftman.com/ (https://jessicashriftman.com/)
20 Apr 2026
17: S1 Ep17: Give A Sh*t, Stop Giving A Sh*t, Then Give A Sh*t Again — The Brutally Honest Creative Process Behind Grand Prix‑Winning Work! (with Jeff Dryer)
Jeff is a creative director and art director with over 13 years of experience in advertising, branding, and craft service table critiquing (aka production). After graduating from the VCU BrandCenter, he began his career at Wieden + Kennedy, working on brands like Southern Comfort, ESPN, and Nike Jordan. He’s also led campaigns for Heineken, Miller Lite, Upwork, Amazon, NBA2K, and Jose Cuervo. He most recently received the Grand Prix Film Lion for Apple’s “R.I.P Leon”. Despite the multiple Gold Lions he’s won over the years and now uses as paper weights and doorstops, he still has never set foot in France. Jeff is a lifelong fan of country and soul music, documentary films, photography books, and the great outdoors. They all inspire his work and approach to creative problem-solving. Jason’s Free Masterclass Training: https://masterclass.theasap.co/creative-director (https://masterclass.theasap.co/creative-director) Learn The Secrets And Techniques Of The World's Best Advertising Pros: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/) Follow Jason on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/) Subscribe to Jason’s YouTube: www.youtube.com/@theasap.school (http://www.youtube.com/@theasap.school) Jeff’s Website: https://jeffreylawrencefishburnedryer.com/ (https://jeffreylawrencefishburnedryer.com/)
18 Feb 2025
16: Ashley Marshall: How Creative Directors Lead, Inspire, and Deliver Great Work
Ashley Marshall has been an ECD at The Martin Agency for over two years, where she has lead teams to make some of the most talked about work for brands, including Axe, Old Navy, Chobani, Carmax and GEICO. Previously she held the position of creative director at Wieden + Kennedy, where she lead teams to create iconic work for Old Spice, Samsung, Facebook and Secret. Her career began as a copywriter at Chiat Day in 2002, where she helped create the still running Blank the Rainbow campaign for Skittles. Her work has been recognized by One Show, One Show Interactive, London International, Andy Awards, D&AD, Cannes Lions, Clios, Facebook Studio Awards, Webby’s, Art Directors Club, Local ADDY and National ADDY Awards and she was a 2022 recipient of Campaign Magazine’s Female Frontier Award. She graduated from The University of North Texas in 2000 and Creative Circus in 2002 and believes strongly in the power of strategic insights + creativity to solve our biggest business challenges with ideas people love. Jason’s Infinite Idea Generator: https://shorturl.at/i4kZ5 (https://shorturl.at/i4kZ5) Jason’s Free Masterclass Training: https://shorturl.at/4Mb1e (https://shorturl.at/4Mb1e) Learn The Secrets And Techniques Of The World's Best Advertising Pros: https://shorturl.at/IyBVa (https://shorturl.at/IyBVa) Follow Jason on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/) Ashley’s Website: https://www.ashleydavismarshall.me/ (https://www.ashleydavismarshall.me/)
14 Dec 2024
15: Craig Allen: CALLEN founder on Creative Leadership and Crafting Award-Winning Ideas
Craig Allen, founder of CALLEN, shares insights on creative leadership and crafting award-winning ideas, highlighting the secrets behind his groundbreaking campaigns.
19 Nov 2024
14: Creating Mischief: How Greg Hahn turned a major setback into the industry's most talked about agency
Greg Hahn is the Co-Founder and CCO of Mischief @ No Fixed Address. In less than four years, Greg has taken the agency from a pandemic start-up to one of the most in-demand agencies in the US and beyond. Mischief has earned Ad Age A-List #1 Agency of the Year in 2022 and 2024, AdAge Creative Agency of the Year 2024, Adweek US Agency of the Year Award 2023, Campaign US Agency of the Year 2022 and 2023, as well as Effie’s Most Effective Indy Agency 2023. Prior to founding Mischief @ No Fixed Address, Greg was the Creative Vice Chairman of BBDO Worldwide and the Chief Creative Officer of BBDO New York. During his time leading BBDO he helped the agency earn the title of the most awarded in the world according to The Gunn Report multiple times. Greg has also been named one of the “100 Most Creative People in Business” by Fast Company Magazine and top 10 Creative Directors by Adweek. As a writer and Creative Director, Greg has won practically every advertising award there is, including multiple Grand Prix at Cannes and Best of The Decade at The One Show and two Emmys. Jason’s Free Masterclass Training: https://shorturl.at/4Mb1e (https://shorturl.at/4Mb1e) Learn The Secrets And Techniques Of The World's Best Advertising Pros: https://shorturl.at/IyBVa (https://shorturl.at/IyBVa) Follow Jason on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/) Greg’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greghahn777/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/greghahn777/) Mischief’s Website: https://mischiefusa.com/ (https://mischiefusa.com/)
13 May 2024
13: Rob Reilly-The Number One Job of a CCO
In this episode of Bagley Talks to an Important Person, Jason Bagley engages in a captivating conversation with Rob Reilly, the Global Chief Creative Officer of WPP, exploring the realm of creativity and innovation. Rob, celebrated for his leadership in the advertising industry, shares insights from his journey, including his pivotal role in WPP's journey to becoming the Creative Company of the Year at Cannes Festival 2022. Listeners are treated to a behind-the-scenes look at Rob's creative process and the groundbreaking campaigns he's spearheaded. Enjoy! Jason’s Free Masterclass Training: https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation?li_fat_id=577593ee-297a-430f-bffa-140222b8df9a (https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation?li_fat_id=577593ee-297a-430f-bffa-140222b8df9a) Learn The Secrets And Techniques Of The World's Best Advertising Pros: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/) Follow Jason on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/) Rob’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-reilly-796717/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-reilly-796717/)
4 Mar 2024
12: Lawrence Mellili-How To Art Direct Campaigns That Transcend Advertising
Lawrence Melilli is a Creative Director at Wieden+Kennedy in Portland where he has spent the last decade. In his time there he’s overseen and worked across brands like KFC, Jordan Brand, Nike, EA Sports, EAFC (formerly FIFA), Old Spice, HBO, Trolli, Expedia, P&G, Ford and Fox Sports. These opportunities have led him to some interesting situations including: being patched into a conference call with Michael Jordan, standing in a buffet line with Ice Cube, reanimating the corpse of Colonel Sanders, being one half of an awkward hug with the reigning NBA MVP, cowering in the corner of a hotel suite while the creators of Game of Thrones recounted having their hands broken by Aquaman, performing an epic troll job on 300 million gamers, and being sent to the last known whereabouts of El Chapo to shoot a deodorant commercial. 2x Cannes Lions Grand Prix winner, One Show Jury Member, 10 year Wieden+Kennedy Veteran, and my work has been featured on Saturday Night Live, Kim Kardashian's Instagram, The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, Late Night with Seth Meyers, the Atlantic, and the NY Times to name a few. Jason’s Free Masterclass Training: https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation?li_fat_id=577593ee-297a-430f-bffa-140222b8df9a (https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation?li_fat_id=577593ee-297a-430f-bffa-140222b8df9a) Learn The Secrets And Techniques Of The World's Best Advertising Pros: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/) Follow Jason on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/) Lawrence’s Website: https://www.lawrencemelilli.com/ (https://www.lawrencemelilli.com/)
11 Feb 2024
11: Jaclyn Crowley-Women In Creative Departments
Jaclyn Crowley has been working in advertising for 20 plus years. She has worked with some of the smartest minds and kindest humans advertising has to offer. While at W+K, she developed award-winning work for brands like HBO, Delta, Duracell and AT&T. In 2019, Jaclyn led and helped win W+K NY's largest client win in its history, McDonald's global. Before that, she got her start as an art director at Bozell (https://bozell.com/), where she focused on the infamous "Got Milk?" (https://musebycl.io/tagline/inside-got-milk-and-its-dark-comedy-deprivation) campaign. Recently, she stepped away from advertising, though keeping a toe in for the thrill of it. Currently, she’s cooking up a fledgling little platform called GrannieHQ, a place committed to making women feel less horrible about getting older. Jason’s Free Masterclass Training: https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation?li_fat_id=577593ee-297a-430f-bffa-140222b8df9a (https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation?li_fat_id=577593ee-297a-430f-bffa-140222b8df9a) Learn The Secrets And Techniques Of The World's Best Advertising Pros: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/) Follow Jason on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-bagley-96b33612/)
6 Nov 2023
10: Yahkeema Moffitt
Yahkeema is a writer and creative director at Wieden+Kennedy Portland and has helped create campaigns for TurboTax, Quilted Northern, Apple, Visa, Nike, The Grammys, and Facebook. Before W+K she created great work for Droga5, Facebook, Media Arts Lab and Brunner. She's been a finalist for AdAge's Creative of The Year. Enjoy the conversation! Watch the Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6beIz2EUc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6beIz2EUc) Creative Megamachine Website: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqazhDcjFmOENGS3B5Y1FqYjFpQlV2TXllZUdjUXxBQ3Jtc0tucWxUQVRyV3diN2RaaDRadXhhLWNncWI3QlVyZUFYQTgtRHYzWVNQTy1tMmZybVM5dDFGOWp2a3NJNjFSelhNVXJMZzl4NDcyc0l2YnlSODBtNVY5RnZjaVVMUHY2RmUxYVpxWlRMaEZ3TzRQQXc0VQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fschoolofastonishingpursuits.com%2F&v=eFhloZmcM44) Yahkeema’s Works: https://vimeo.com/yahkeema (https://vimeo.com/yahkeema)
26 Sept 2023
9: Chris Beresford-Hill
In this episode, Jason Bagley and legendary creative leader Chris-Beresford-Hill discuss the industry's pitiful lack of training for CD's, and share powerful insights and advice for on how to be a great creative leader. Chris Beresford-Hill is North America President and Chief Creative Officer of Ogilvy, joining in 2021. By 2023 Ogilvy was AdAge Comeback Agency of the Year, one of Fast Co’s most Innovative, as well as 2023 Global Effies Network of the Year, and 2022 Cannes Network of the Year. Previously, Chris spent four years as Chief Creative Officer at TBWA\Chiat\Day New York, helping lead a transformation resulting in the best Cannes performance and most creative awards in the office’s history, while growing the business 180%, with no layoffs during COVID. TBWA returned to the AdAge Agency A-List, after a decade long absence, as well as Fast Co’s Most Innovative list, remaining there every year under his leadership. TBWA was also ADWEEK Network of the Year twice. Individually, Chris was back-to-back finalist for AdAge’s CCO of the year, and Campaign US Creative Person of the Year. Prior to TBWA, Chris spent eight years as Executive Creative Director at BBDO New York, steering some of the agency’s most iconic work, alongside partner Dan Lucey, helping the shop earn multiple AdAge Creativity, and ADWEEK Agency of the Year honors, AdAge A-List appearances, and Network of the Year honors at Cannes, including Network of the Decade. He F'd up and did not go work for Bagley in 2009. But the two remain friends, maybe even better for it. Chris previously held Creative Director and Writer positions at Saatchi NY, Goodby, Silverstein & Partners SF, and Modernista! in Boston - where he stared out as an unpaid intern in 2002, writing automotive brochures for General Motors. He has been included in ADWEEK Best Creatives, the ADWEEK 100, Business Insider’s Most Creative People in Advertising, and the AdAge 40 Under 40, back when he was under 40. Jason’s Free Masterclass Training: https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation?li_fat_id=577593ee-297a-430f-bffa-140222b8df9a (https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation?li_fat_id=577593ee-297a-430f-bffa-140222b8df9a) Subscribe to A.S.A.P Newsletter: https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/cd (https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/cd)
26 Jun 2023
8: Eric Kallman
Join former Wieden+Kennedy Jason Bagley, and creative legend Eric Kallman as they showcase some of the award-winning 15-second and 6-second commercials Eric and his teams have created over the years, while breaking down some of the keys to making great 15 and 6-second commercials. Eric Kallman is co-founder of ad agency Erich & Kallman, and one of the most awarded creatives in advertising history.
7 Mar 2023
7: Christen Brestrup + Bertie Scrase
Christen and Bertie have worked together as a team since 2007, aka donkey’s years (that’s British for “a very long time”). They are the creatives behind countless iconic and award-winning campaigns for brands like Old Spice, Nike, RXBAR, HP, KFC, Samsung, Coca-Cola, TurboTax, Honda, and Finish. They are currently CDs at Wieden + Kennedy Portland where they try their best to make work that people maybe possibly hopefully don’t completely ignore. Register for the free training with Jason Bagley: https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation (https://school-of-astonishing-pursuits.mykajabi.com/webinar-registation) Christen & Bertie website: http://www.christenandbertie.com/ (http://www.christenandbertie.com/)
11 Dec 2022
6: Sheena Brady
Jason talks to Commercial Director Sheena Brady about her creative process for some of the most recognizable spots from the last 20 years. Brady walks through how she prints her own identify on a spot no matter what it's for. To access the full episode, and all other full episodes of Bagley Talks To An Important Person, check out Jason Bagley's 8-week mentorship program, Creative Megamachine, where you’ll learn the secrets and techniques of the world's best creatives: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa2g4b20tdHFVVkQtcHpHWGkwOW95LThONVJXQXxBQ3Jtc0trLTRpZW9QTno2NExUd1F4Zm5XeVJJbEk2UW4zcUtKZWI4WmlsU0puU3RHc1FoQXBiTHVBLTQ1Q2M0V2RHWVRUWHFNZ1F4RUVxUHZ5UjQ2ZDJOeWxtYW5fYlI2OHg5b19yNlNmT3llS2dNdXRMTHN5bw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fschoolofastonishingpursuits.com%2F&v=QcE_d2b4OlA) Watch the pod on YouTube: https://youtu.be/2i5BI4Ofsjg (https://youtu.be/2i5BI4Ofsjg) Sheena's Website: https://sheenabrady.tumblr.com/ (https://sheenabrady.tumblr.com/)
20 Oct 2022
5: Guto Araki
Jason talks to Guto Araki, the new CCO of R&R Partners about very often, the most surprising thing a creative can do is tell the truth. To access the full episode, and all other full episodes of Bagley Talks To An Important Person, check out Jason Bagley's 8-week mentorship program, Creative Megamachine, where you’ll learn the secrets and techniques of the world's best creatives: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa2g4b20tdHFVVkQtcHpHWGkwOW95LThONVJXQXxBQ3Jtc0trLTRpZW9QTno2NExUd1F4Zm5XeVJJbEk2UW4zcUtKZWI4WmlsU0puU3RHc1FoQXBiTHVBLTQ1Q2M0V2RHWVRUWHFNZ1F4RUVxUHZ5UjQ2ZDJOeWxtYW5fYlI2OHg5b19yNlNmT3llS2dNdXRMTHN5bw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fschoolofastonishingpursuits.com%2F&v=QcE_d2b4OlA) Watch the podcast on YouTube: https://youtu.be/DrgRBPxVyTc (https://youtu.be/DrgRBPxVyTc) Guto's website: http://meetguto.com/ (http://meetguto.com/)
30 Sept 2022
4: Emma Barnett
W+K veteran on Nike and creative icon Emma Barnett gives a detailed presentation of her creative process and the “10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT ADVERTISING.” Emma has created a laundry list of iconic Nike campaigns such as Dream Crazier, the Kobe tribute spot “Better”, Never Stop Winning, Together (Lebron’s return to Akron), and Come Out of Nowhere (Lebron) just to name a few. Hosted by former Wieden+Kennedy ECD Jason Bagley. To access the full episode, and all other full episodes of Bagley Talks To An Important Person, check out Jason Bagley's 8-week mentorship program, Creative Megamachine, where you’ll learn the secrets and techniques of the world's best creatives: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa2g4b20tdHFVVkQtcHpHWGkwOW95LThONVJXQXxBQ3Jtc0trLTRpZW9QTno2NExUd1F4Zm5XeVJJbEk2UW4zcUtKZWI4WmlsU0puU3RHc1FoQXBiTHVBLTQ1Q2M0V2RHWVRUWHFNZ1F4RUVxUHZ5UjQ2ZDJOeWxtYW5fYlI2OHg5b19yNlNmT3llS2dNdXRMTHN5bw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fschoolofastonishingpursuits.com%2F&v=QcE_d2b4OlA) Watch the podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcE_d2b4OlA&t=12s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcE_d2b4OlA&t=12s) Emma's website: https://www.therealemmabarnett.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbDZxYXVvTER5ZEluOXl2cjdVNU55YXBweFJrZ3xBQ3Jtc0trU0ZLUFBVRGdzWFVmaXNFTHpiUklmcnU5dXhYekozRnhZSjNlckZqVVBnSWdkNVFRSTE0bkl2NlB2UzhCaDVvV0phRUk2OU8wa3hob1djbVlwMU1WXzVROUktSWtIRkZMOWtPcmxURDFxUTc4OGlCVQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.therealemmabarnett.com%2F&v=QcE_d2b4OlA)
7 Sept 2022
3: Nathaniel Lawlor
Nathaniel Lawlor, one of the most award-winning comedy creatives in the industry breaks down his creative process and exactly how he and Ruth Belotti (and a rockstar DDB crew) created Skittles, the Broadway Musical. Creative Megamachine Website: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/) Nathaniel's Website: https://nathaniellawlor.com/ (https://nathaniellawlor.com/)
25 Aug 2022
2: Eric Baldwin
Eric Baldwin, the former Executive Creative Director of Wieden+Kennedy Portland, and the creative director who helped resurrect brands like Old Spice and KFC, shares how he used art direction to create some of the world's most iconic campaigns. Watch the Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6beIz2EUc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ6beIz2EUc) Creative Megamachine Website: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqazhDcjFmOENGS3B5Y1FqYjFpQlV2TXllZUdjUXxBQ3Jtc0tucWxUQVRyV3diN2RaaDRadXhhLWNncWI3QlVyZUFYQTgtRHYzWVNQTy1tMmZybVM5dDFGOWp2a3NJNjFSelhNVXJMZzl4NDcyc0l2YnlSODBtNVY5RnZjaVVMUHY2RmUxYVpxWlRMaEZ3TzRQQXc0VQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fschoolofastonishingpursuits.com%2F&v=eFhloZmcM44) Eric Baldwin's Website: https://genericbaldman.com/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa3FyOEF3TnBHYTU3R1F0WTN2NnBDaERCZktEUXxBQ3Jtc0trSE9yZTZlWnVlTzZKbGtuZkhObTB4TEF2SG5XeFVjcTdmOC1oUVM5QTJVTmYwT28zQWpLZlpYclBNd0pUaFJTOEtna3JZWWpmRlJvWDVwVjhJbC13LUVMakMwWWtSSEJYWFJLakV5V2laX1BYSG9uWQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fgenericbaldman.com%2F&v=eFhloZmcM44)
4 Aug 2022
1: Andy Laugenour
W+K veteran Andy Laugenour gives us a detailed breakdown of his creative process and reveals the secrets to how he consistently does great work. Podcast Video Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU5G7Tf2dx8&t=14s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU5G7Tf2dx8&t=14s) Creative Megamachine: https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/ (https://schoolofastonishingpursuits.com/)
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