Join our hosts Keith Posehn, Dafra Sanou, and Liem Vuong as they discuss issues facing marketing and growth teams that are working to unlock partnerships at scale. Each week we have a new episode covering what you need to know to grow your partner programs.
In this episode of Behind The Mirror, Keith Posehn and Dafra Sanou dive into the real edge creators have in an AI-driven world: authenticity, trust, and human connection.
From MrBeast to Jackie Aina to Becca Bloom, they break down why some creators build fanbases that no algorithm can replicate — and what that means for brands, marketers, and the future of discovery.
If you run partnerships, work with creators, or build growth programs — this conversation will change the way you see the creator economy.
Chapters
00:00 – Welcome & intro to the episode
01:05 – The idea of “AI-resistant” creators
02:20 – Trust as the foundation of creator influence
04:00 – Parasocial relationships and why they matter
06:00 – Full-self authenticity: MrBeast, Jaden Animations & more
09:40 – Jackie Aina: balancing privacy with trust
12:00 – Influence without oversharing: the power of selective authenticity
14:50 – Becca Bloom & engineered likability vs. genuine connection
17:10 – What brands should really look for in creators
19:25 – Creator discovery vs. AI discovery
21:45 – The future of creator trust in an AI world
22:30 – Closing thoughts & what’s next
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14 Oct 2025
AI is Killing Clicks with David Rodnitzky
In this episode of Behind the Mirror, host Keith Posehn sits down with longtime friend and industry veteran David Rodnitsky, founder of 3Q Digital, for a deep dive into how artificial intelligence is reshaping the marketing landscape.
From the rise of zero-click search to the rapid evolution of LLMs like ChatGPT and Claude, Keith and David explore what these changes mean for marketers, agencies, and brands trying to stay relevant. They discuss the declining dominance of traditional SEO, how consumer behavior is shifting toward AI-driven answers, and why content still matters more than ever - even if the way it’s consumed is changing.
Other key topics include:
• How AI is disrupting Google’s business model and ad revenue
• The tension between AI-dominated, AI-native, and AI-resistant industries
• Where the biggest opportunities lie for performance marketers
• Why adaptability and strategy will be the most valuable skills in the AI era
Whether you’re a CMO, agency owner, or growth marketer, this conversation offers crucial insights into how to pivot, innovate, and lead in a world where AI is rewriting the rules of digital marketing.
Tune in to learn how to future-proof your marketing strategy before the next big shift hits.
7 Oct 2025
Flipping the Funnel with Ashley Whetung
Affiliate marketing is often dismissed as a bottom-of-funnel, last-click channel, but that perspective sells it short. In this episode, host Keith Posehn is joined by Ashley Whetung, Senior Consultant at Zorz, and co-host Liem Vuong to explore how affiliate and partnership programs can play a much larger role in demand creation, trust building, and brand growth.
From mass media publishers to creators and influencers, the discussion dives into how partnerships fuel discovery, drive efficiency, and deliver long-term ROI. Ashley breaks down how brands can test, iterate, and scale smarter—turning affiliate from a transactional channel into a strategic growth engine.
If you’re rethinking how affiliate and creator partnerships fit into your marketing mix, this episode will change the way you see the funnel.
Chapterization
00:00 – Introduction – Keith welcomes Ashley Whetung and Liem Vuong
00:30 – Affiliate Misconceptions – Why brands see affiliate as bottom-of-funnel
01:55 – Beyond Demand Capture – Affiliate as awareness & trust-building channel
04:00 – Expanding the Affiliate Spectrum – Mass media, creators, and hybrid models
06:10 – ROI & Up-Funnel Testing – ROAS, CAC, and opportunities beyond last-click
08:30 – Efficiency & Cash Flow – Performance-based payouts and ad spend efficiency
10:25 – Macro Environment Impact – Economic pressures shaping brand strategy
12:40 – Influencer Evolution – Hybrid creator models and long-term value
14:40 – Authenticity & Trust – Building lasting relationships through creators
16:20 – Case Studies – NordVPN, Skillshare, and other breakout examples
17:20 – Testing & Iteration – Building your affiliate/creator “muscle”
20:20 – Scaling Strategically – From first campaigns to repeatable growth
22:25 – Borrowing Trust – Startups leveraging partners for credibility
23:30 – Closing & Key Takeaways – Lessons on persistence, strategy, and long-term impact
30 Sept 2025
The Future of Affiliate Marketing with Dafra Sanou
In this episode of Behind the Mirror, hosts Keith Posehn and Liem Vong sit down with Dafra Sanou, Growth & Digital Marketing expert, to explore how AI is transforming affiliate and partner marketing.
Together, they unpack how brands can leverage partnerships in an AI-driven world, why governance and context matter more than ever, and which parts of the recruitment and program management process are most ripe for disruption.
From inclusivity in influencer marketing to the rise of LLMs shaping how products are discovered, this conversation is packed with insights for marketers navigating a rapidly shifting landscape.
23 Sept 2025
The CRM Shake-Up with Eric Potter
The CRM landscape is changing fast. For years, Salesforce dominated. But in today’s market, HubSpot is closing the gap at an unprecedented pace - rolling out enterprise-grade features, innovating faster, and challenging the old guard.
In this episode of Behind the Mirror, Keith Posehn and Liem Vuong sit down with Eric Potter, COO of OpMethods, to unpack what’s really happening in the CRM space. From the slowdown of Salesforce’s innovation, to HubSpot’s aggressive push forward, to the rise of new AI-native players like Notion and Airtable, this conversation breaks down where the opportunities lie - and the pitfalls leaders need to avoid.
If you’re a CRO, RevOps leader, or founder making decisions about your company’s sales and marketing stack, this episode is your roadmap to the evolving CRM market and how to choose the right tools for what’s coming next.
16 Sept 2025
Cracking Attribution with Ashley Parducci
In this episode of Behind the Mirror, Keith Posehn and Ashley Parducci delve into the complexities of attribution in marketing. They discuss the evolution of attribution methodologies, the challenges of measuring consumer journeys, and the importance of understanding technology's role in these processes. The conversation highlights the significance of video marketing, the concept of measurement debt, and the necessity for marketers to remain open-minded and willing to take risks. Through shared experiences and insights, they provide valuable recommendations for setting up successful attribution strategies and understanding the interconnectedness of various marketing channels.
#MarketingStrategy #PerformanceMarketing #ConsumerJourney #Attribution #DataDriven #Zorz #BehindTheMirror
15 Jul 2025
The Silent Killer of Affiliate Growth
Is Your Affiliate Program Stuck? Here's How to Break Through
In this episode, Keith Posehn sits down with Liem Vuong to talk about the silent killer of affiliate growth: stagnancy. They explore why playing it safe can actually be the riskiest move in today's landscape and what to do about it. From battling organizational inertia to setting bold goals and testing your way forward, this conversation is packed with real talk and practical strategies. Whether you're leading a program or advising one, you'll walk away with a fresh perspective on how to grow, adapt, and scale in affiliate marketing.
8 Jul 2025
Unlocking the Secrets of Affiliate Budgets
Keith Posehn and the Zorz team examine affiliate marketing budgets, highlighting the unique challenges and strategic approaches needed to maximize return on investment in partnerships.
1 Jul 2025
Why Innovation is Your Affiliate Advantage
Keith Posehn, Dafra Sanou, and Liem Vuong discuss how affiliate marketers can leverage innovation to build trust, expand reach, and elevate brands beyond traditional channels.
24 Jun 2025
Horror Stories in Affiliate Marketing
Keith Posehn, Dafra Sanou, and Liem Vuong share affiliate marketing horror stories, dissecting vulnerabilities and emphasizing the importance of structure and values in affiliate strategy in this interview episode.
17 Jun 2025
Building Trust Is The Key to Marketing Success
Keith Posehn, Dafra Sanou, and Liem Vuong examine how trust builds brand growth through partnerships and authentic advocacy, which outperforms traditional marketing tactics in this interview.
10 Jun 2025
Lessons from Penguin Gate: Scaling Partnerships Without Breaking Trust
Keith Posehn, Dafra Sanou, and Liem Vuong reveal the realities of scaling affiliate programs, sharing insights on managing risk, structuring incentives, and maintaining trust to avoid chaos.
3 Jun 2025
Enhancing Partnerships for Greater Impact
Hosts Keith Posehn, Dafra Sanou, and Liem Vuong examine incentive strategies that drive partner performance, including tiered bonuses and commission adjustments, to transform passive affiliates into proactive brand advocates.
27 May 2025
Behind the Mirror: A New Marketing Perspective
This episode explores modern marketing attribution, moving beyond last-click models to measure true value and rethink partner rewards in today's performance-driven landscape.
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