About Being Intrepid: Navigating the Future of Learning with Sam Herring
Being Intrepid explores the biggest challenges in corporate learning, bringing bold ideas and expert insights to help learning leaders shape the workforce of the future.
L&D's AI Moment: Bob Mosher on Method Before Technology
A large government agency took 18 months to onboard one high-risk role, and the average person left around month 18. Workflow analysis and a digital coach on day one cut the path to full independence to six months.
Bob Mosher, Founding Partner and Chief Learning Evangelist at APPLY Synergies and co-creator of the Five Moments of Need, joins Sam Herring to explain why AI fails when technology gets ahead of method.
In this episode:
How task-level workflow analysis shows which tasks to automate, augment with a human in the loop, or keep away from AI
How a government agency cut onboarding from 18 months to six by starting with workflow analysis and a digital coach
Why L&D should stop building training first
What skills L&D needs to master to earn a seat in AI workflow decisions
Guest: Bob Mosher (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bmosher/), Founding Partner and Chief Learning Evangelist, APPLY Synergies
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9 Sept 2026
Speed to Capability: How GuideWell's L&D Team Is Built for Continuous Upskilling
Member needs in healthcare shift constantly, the regulatory environment changes quickly, and the workforce has to keep pace. Kristine Ellis, Senior Director of Talent Development and Management at GuideWell/Florida Blue, has built her award-winning team to keep pace with constant change, and AI has become the operating engine that enables their speed.
Kristine joins Sam Herring to talk about how her team moved from early AI uncertainty to full-on advocacy, why the Prompting Lab and Critical Thinking class are so foundational to AI upskilling at Florida Blue, and why she sees AI simulation as critical to moving from knowledge assessment to skill application.
In this episode:
Why speed to capability, not AI adoption, is the defining pressure for her team right now
How GuideWell deployed 26 courses in two months using their internal LLM
What a Prompting Lab and a Critical Thinking class each do, and why the pairing matters
How to coach an AI-anxious team member into expanded, higher-value contribution
Why AI simulation moves learning from knowledge assessment to skill application, and what “N of 1” learning means for employees
Guest: Kristine Ellis (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristine-ellis-med-mpc-pcc/), Senior Director, Talent Development and Management, GuideWell / Florida Blue
26 Aug 2026
Executive Presence, Enterprise Thinking, and the Path to the CLO Seat
Half of all L&D professionals aspire to a senior learning leadership role. Less than 1% hold the title. And many who think they want the job have never really examined what it requires.
Amy DuVernet, VP of Learning Products at Training Industry, joins Sam Herring to unpack what it takes to develop the career of the person who develops everyone else. Drawing on TI's research across 250,000 L&D professionals, Amy shares what separates those who reach the CLO level and what holds most aspiring leaders back.
In this episode:
The three competencies that define CLO readiness — enterprise perspective, executive presence, and business leadership — and why they require more than a course to develop
Why executive presence is trainable, and how the Training Industry Senior Leaders Program uses Intrepid to bring together AI-enabled practice, peer learning, and expert-led sessions in a structured development experience
The supply-side reality: how to assess whether the CLO role is actually the right fit, and what adjacent paths are worth taking seriously
The highest-leverage skill most L&D professionals overlook (hint: it's not instructional design)
How to pitch the CFO and the question that reframes the conversation
Guest: Amy DuVernet (https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-duvernet-ph-d-cptm/), VP of Learning Products, Training Industry
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