Between Two Worlds: Integrating Transformative Spiritual Experiences

About Between Two Worlds: Integrating Transformative Spiritual Experiences

Between Two Worlds is a companion for navigating a human existence that has been touched by a flash of something greater. We share stories from those with one foot in each realm, and how they integrate spirituality into daily life. We discuss beautiful, blissful moments of spiritual awakening, as well as practical challenges - how do I go back to my old life as new me? How do I pay the bills? Though all experiences are unique, I hope you find some comfort in the common thread of these stories - that our greatest challenges can be our greatest gifts. Music by The_Mountain from Pixabay

Publisher

Tessa Cowley-Court

Category

religion & spirituality

Language

en

Explicit

Yes

First episode

7 Aug 2023

Latest episode

21 Oct 2025

Latest episodes

12 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   21 Oct 2025

   12. The Creativity Files - Surpressing The Creative Urge

   In this episode of 'Between Two Worlds', we delve into the concept of thwarted creativity - what happens when the creative urge is repressed - and explore how early experiences of pain and vulnerability can stifle creative expression. We discuss the importance of nurturing creative energy as a life force, and what it has felt like for both of us when we fail to do this. We also touch on the societal pressures that often inhibit self-expression. The conversation explores the seemingly innate, almost biological need for humans to follow their own, unique "creative thread", and how this can lead to a sense of aliveness and vitality. We encourage listeners to reflect on their own creative urges and consider how to integrate them into their lives, one baby step at a time.Keep the conversation going by following Tessa's writing on Substack:https://substack.com/@tessacc (https://substack.com/@tessacc)

2. 

   9 Oct 2025

   11. The Creativity Files - On Letting Creative Energy Move Through Us

   In this episode, we explore the concept of creative energy, discussing its manifestations in our lives and what the heck we think it wants with us humans. We delve into the "naturalness" of the creative process, and the concept of humans being vessels for creative energy to make itself manifest in the world. We touch on what it might mean when we receive a spark of inspiration, and how we can best prepare ourselves to bring more creative energy (and joy) into our lives, and to share this with the world. The conversation touches on historical perspectives of creativity, the impact of societal structures, and our personal experiences with flow states and creative processes.You can read more about these topics by following Tessa's writing on Substack: https://substack.com/@tessacc (https://substack.com/@tessacc)

3. 

   1 Oct 2025

   10. Homecoming - How Postpartum Darkness Led Me Back to the Light, Pt. 1

   In this episode, I relaunch the podcast after a year, sharing my journey into parenthood and the transformative experiences that have shaped my writing and personal growth. Joined by my husband Max, we explore the challenges and revelations of motherhood. I reflect on my struggles with mental health, coming to understand myself as autistic, the impact of sleep deprivation, and the profound moments of connection with a higher power that have guided me through dark times. The conversation delves into the complexities of identity, the unraveling of self, and the emergence of a new, more resilient version of oneself after struggle.If you're interested in following my unfolding writing journey, find me on Substack: https://substack.com/@tessacc (https://substack.com/@tessacc)

4. 

   25 Mar 2024

   9. Simone Surgeoner - The Long, Winding Journey from "Good" Religious Daughter to Medicine Woman

   Simone Surgeoner grew up in Melbourne, Australia in the Jehovah's Witness religious community. After having children of her own, Simone began to question the religion's teachings, and eventually left secular religious life behind in her early thirties. What followed was a complete re-build of life on her own terms, leading to a twenty year journey of self-discovery. Simone explored different takes on love and sexuality, alternative therapies, and even moved to the U.S. and spent many months in her beloved Mexico where she experienced transformative healing from both plant medicine and good old fashioned sunshine. Simone speaks candidly about the unconventional decisions she bravely made as a mother and partner in order to stay true to her authentic self and follow the thread of curiosity that has propelled her through a fascinating life. After overcoming some of the momentous challenges we discuss in the episode, Simone is now in a wonderful, happy place and loving her roles as a mother, therapist, mentor, passionate birth enthusiast and somewhat reluctant medicine woman. She insists that the arc of her story is a rainbow bridge, and the journey has been well worth it - so hopefully others in the messy middle can take some solace! Content warning: suicide, intimate partner abuse. You can get in touch with Simone and learn more about her work on her website: https://saksana.com.au/ (https://saksana.com.au/) And you can now follow the podcast on Instagram too! https://www.instagram.com/between.two.worlds.podcast/ (https://www.instagram.com/between.two.worlds.podcast/)

5. 

   15 Jan 2024

   8. Ali Heppell - Birth, Death and Non-Psychedelic Altered States

   Ali Heppell grew up in rural Victoria, Australia. Pursuing a career in speech pathology, she moved to the city in her twenties and enjoyed a few carefree years of dining out, dancing, and career building. At twenty-four, her world was turned upside down when her mum called to tell her she had cancer. What followed was a deep immersion in grief, death, and transformation. Ali speaks candidly in this episode about moving back to her hometown to see out her mother's final month of life, and going through a powerful rite of passage that changed her forever. Emerging from the loss of her mother, Ali found that old things didn't fit anymore. She took an extended break from work and explored a range of healing modalities - from meditation, to psychotherapy, journalling, running, and even weaving. Then, she embarked on a year of world travel with her now husband, which solidified the new sense of herself on the other side of transformative grief. Upon returning, Ali's next portal involved transitioning into motherhood. We speak in this episode about the transformative portals of labour and birth, and her altered-state experience while giving birth to her second son. Who said you need psychedelics to experience oneness with the universe! Ali now dedicates her life to motherhood, both in mothering her two boys, and working in mothercare. Ali offers doula support, women's circles, birth debriefing, mother blessings, and more. Content warning: death/grief, sexual assault. You can get in touch with Ali and learn about her work at: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aliheppell_mothercare/ (https://www.instagram.com/aliheppell_mothercare/) And you can now follow the podcast on Instagram too! https://www.instagram.com/between.two.worlds.podcast/ (https://www.instagram.com/between.two.worlds.podcast/)

6. 

   14 Dec 2023

   7. Melissa Lambour - Exploring Identity Through Sexuality, Non-Monogamy, and Astrogeography

   Melissa Lambour is a vibrant, trail-blazing Guatemalan-American woman currently living and loving in Bali, Indonesia. She grew up watching her migrant parents work incredibly hard for the "American Dream", and found herself amassing degrees and credentials to make their sacrifice seem worthwhile. But there was something missing for Melissa, and her search for identity and meaning took her far away from her well-paid engineering career and marriage in the U.S., to where she finally landed in Ubud, Bali (finding new love basically on arrival!). In this episode, Melissa shares her experience of exploring different aspects of herself including her sexuality, a shift to non-monogamy in her marriage, her racial identity, and a new career that literally had to be made up to fit her unique "Ikigai" or life purpose! Melissa is an astro-geo guide, ayurveda and Reiki practitioner, and altogether wonderful human. You can learn more about her work at: Instagram: cosmic.roadmap (https://www.instagram.com/cosmic.roadmap/) Website: www.cosmicroadmap.com (https://www.cosmicroadmap.com/) Content warning: sexuality, racial identity.

7. 

   28 Nov 2023

   6. Danielle Rateau Pt. II - My Year Living at an Ayahuasca Retreat in Peru

   Danielle Rateau is a radiant American beauty, currently living and working in a small fishing town near Seattle. She landed in the misty far north of the U.S. after years of global travels where she lived and worked among spiritual communities - from the ashrams of Australia to an ayahuasca retreat in Peru. After struggling with an eating disorder and the breakdown of a relationship and career in her mid-twenties, Danielle sold everything and moved away in search of herself (or something like it!). The journey that unfolded from there took her through incredible experiences of growth and healing, from immersing herself in yogic philosophy, to women's circles, chanting and beyond. We discuss all this, and much more, in Part 1 of our chat - check it out on Episode 4 if you haven't already. In Part 2 of our chat today, we delve more deeply into Danielle's work with the psychedelic plant medicine, ayahuasca, both personally and in support of others, which she did for a year while working at an ayahuasca retreat in Peru. We discuss both the beauty and the perils of working with this potent medicine! If you want a balanced view of working with ayahuasca from someone who has seen the good, the bad, and the ugly, this episode is not to be missed. Content warning: eating disorders, suicide. You can get in touch with Danielle and learn about her work at: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwpPahxoHh_NQZ_xbMiTo0w (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwpPahxoHh_NQZ_xbMiTo0w) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/daniellerateau/ (https://www.instagram.com/daniellerateau/)

8. 

   30 Oct 2023

   5. Michelle Gardiner - From White Picket Fence to Bali, Book Launches, and Re-Inventing Myself Again and Again

   Michelle Gardiner is an Australian social impact entrepreneur currently exploring the concept of home in multiple locations around the world including Bali, Indonesia and the Mediterranean. After marrying young and throwing herself into her social work career and life in the suburbs, Michelle started to have those uncomfortable nagging questions. Is this enough? Do I want more? Could I start all over again? She summoned her courage and followed her intuition, building a new life in the city as a single woman-about-town. It was fun, and shiny, and there was lots of dancing... but eventually the questions came again. Is there more to life than travel and going out with friends? She noticed a growing spiritual curiosity. Fast forward to a trip to Peru, ayahuasca visions, and a few more bold moves and she found herself stranded in Bali for the duration of the pandemic. During this time, Michelle not only faced her own dark night and identity crisis, but also built her incredible women's leadership business, Aspire, and launched her book series, 55 Faces. Through 55, she elevates the voices of women from all over the world and helps them tell their stories. We discuss following your intuition and having the courage to re-invent yourself (more than once!) in this wide-ranging discussion. Please enjoy! Content warning: fertility challenges, IVF. You can get in touch with Michelle and learn more about her work at: Website: https://www.theaspireseries.com/ (https://www.theaspireseries.com/) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theaspireseries/ (https://www.instagram.com/theaspireseries/)

9. 

   16 Oct 2023

   4. Danielle Rateau Pt. I - Leaving Conventional Life For Aussie Ashrams and Amazonian Ayahuasca

   Danielle Rateau is a radiant American beauty, currently living and working in Washington state, in a small fishing town near Seattle. She landed in the misty far north of the U.S. after years of global travels where she lived and worked among spiritual communities - from the ashrams of Australia to an ayahuasca retreat in Peru. After struggling with an eating disorder and the breakdown of a relationship and career in her mid-twenties, Danielle sold everything and ran away in search of herself (or something like it!). The journey that unfolded from there took her through incredible experiences of growth and healing, from immersing herself in yogic philosophy, to women's circles, chanting and beyond. We discuss all this, and much more, in Part 1 of our chat. We also skim the surface of her work with the psychedelic plant medicine, ayahuasca, which we delve into more in Part 2. Content warning: eating disorders, the Voice referendum (Australia). You can get in touch with Danielle and learn about her work at: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwpPahxoHh_NQZ_xbMiTo0w Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/daniellerateau/

10. 

    4 Sept 2023

    3. Nathalie Sage - Prophetic Dreams, Nature Spirits, and Living a Life Less Ordinary

    Nathalie Sage is a Swedish native currently living among the beautiful, foresty outer suburbs of Melbourne, Australia. She grew up surrounded by the lush greenery around Stockholm and felt deeply connected to nature at an early age, having her first notable spiritual experience at just six years old. A challenging adolescence led to one of the most beautiful spiritual experiences of her life, catalysing a life of spiritual seeking and learning. At just twenty-one, Nathalie followed her supercharged intuition across the world to live in New Zealand and then Australia, adding to her toolkit of holistic modalities along the way. She currently practices as a divine channel and ascension specialist, which you'll have to experience to understand - she is seriously powerful! In our interview, we discuss an incredible dream, the spiritual awakening Nathalie experienced after the darkest time in her life, how things just seem to work out when she follows her intuition, motherhood, connecting with animal spirits, and much, much more. Nathalie is a true goddess and I really enjoyed this conversation (not to mention our impromptu card reading afterwards - she was SO spot on!). Content warning: suicide, eating disorders. You can get in touch with Nathalie and learn about her work at: https://www.facebook.com/nathaliesage123 (https://www.facebook.com/nathaliesage123)

11. 

    21 Aug 2023

    2. Karen Garton Pt. II - Living in Flow, Plant Medicine FOMO & Talking the Rational Mind Off the Ledge

    Karen Garton is a Melbourne woman who lived a self-proclaimed "vanilla" life right up until her forties when she started to dig into some of the childhood trauma she had experienced. After an initial spiritual awakening experience catalysed by the powerful touch of a Reiki master (who also happened to be Karen's boss at an accounting firm!), Karen has since explored many spiritual modalities and had more fascinating spiritual experiences which she shares with us in Part I and Part II of our conversation. In Part II of our chat, we discuss altered state experiences had on retreat, sound healing, re-connecting with her late ex-husband in spirit, quitting her stable job to take a risk on her own business, a recent plant medicine journey, and the healing power of storytelling. She candidly discusses the challenges of integrating spiritual experiences and subsequent life changes, including dealing with the rational mind and its constant narrative about paying the bills! Content warning: childhood sexual abuse. You can get in touch with Karen and learn about her work at: Instagram: ⁠@karengarton5⁠ (https://www.instagram.com/karengarton5/) Website: https://www.storynights.com.au/ (https://www.storynights.com.au/)⁠ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StoryNightsForWomen/ (https://www.facebook.com/StoryNightsForWomen/)⁠

12. 

    7 Aug 2023

    1. Karen Garton Pt. I - From Vanilla to Vitality: Reiki Masters, Meditation and More

    Karen Garton is a Melbourne woman who lived a self-proclaimed "vanilla" life right up until her forties when she started to dig into some of the childhood trauma she had experienced. After an initial spiritual awakening experience catalysed by the powerful touch of a Reiki master (who also happened to be Karen's boss at an accounting firm!), Karen has since explored many spiritual modalities and had more fascinating spiritual experiences which she shares with us in Part I and Part II of our conversation. In Part I of our chat with Karen, we discuss her early life, her first awakening experience and the healing process this kicked off, her foray into meditation, and much more. She candidly discusses the challenges of integrating these experiences into daily life, including navigating close relationships as a new version of yourself. Content warning: childhood sexual abuse. You can get in touch with Karen and learn about her work at: Instagram: @karengarton5 Website: https://www.storynights.com.au/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StoryNightsForWomen/

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