About Between You and AI | Leadership, Human Skills & the Future of Work
Artificial intelligence is changing the rules of work, leadership, and creativity. But the real question isn’t what AI does better than humans — it’s what humans must become better at because of it.
In Between You and AI, host Andrea Iorio — former Tinder and L'Oréal executive, international keynote speaker, and USA Today bestselling author — explores the skills, mindsets, and leadership models needed to thrive in the age of AI.
Blending behavioral economics, neuroscience, and philosophy, each episode examines the evolving relationship between humans and intelligent machines.
Tokenmaxxing: Why AI Keeps Getting More Expensive — and What It Means for Leaders.
Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, explains how "tokenmaxxing" drives up AI costs, revealing why selective AI use offers a rare competitive advantage for leaders.
10 Jun 2026
AI-xhaustion: The Double-Edged Sword of AI's Impact on Our Mental Health
Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, discusses AI-xhaustion, exploring how AI impacts mental health, productivity, and access to care in this interview.
3 Jun 2026
The Pope, Anthropic, and the battle for "trust" in the AI industry.
Andrea Iorio interviews Pope Leo XIV and Christopher Olah about the first papal encyclical on AI and the critical battle for trust in the industry.
20 May 2026
The Boomerang Effect: Are AI Layoffs for Real, or Just an Alibi?
Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, explores the real impact of AI on layoffs and rehirings, examining legal and ethical implications for the future of work.
14 May 2026
The METR chart that shrinks your job every quarter — and is keeping Wall Street up at night.
Host Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, explores the accelerating autonomous capabilities of AI and its impact on careers and the job market.
23 Apr 2026
FOBO: Why is Gen Z sabotaging AI’s transformation at work.
Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, discusses why Gen Z resists AI at work and offers leaders strategies to transform fear into opportunity.
14 Apr 2026
How to Scale an AI-First Culture, and the CTO’s Role
Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, explains how organizations can scale an AI-first culture by focusing on trust and the CTO's role in this interview.
31 Mar 2026
Meta's Apparent Contradiction and the Impact of AI on the Job Market.
Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, discusses Meta's AI investments and how AI elevates professionals, reshaping the job market and creating a new elite class of experts.
24 Mar 2026
The Social Fatigue of Influencers and the Anxious Generation.
Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, discusses social fatigue and the anxious generation, exploring how unattainable standards and algorithmic mediation impact mental health and online behavior.
19 Mar 2026
AI, Weapons, and Responsibility: How Trust Became the Real Differentiator for Technology Leaders.
Andrea Iorio, USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker, discusses how technology leaders build trust in AI by prioritizing ethics over technical expertise in this interview.
12 Mar 2026
From office desks to construction sites: Is manual work the next big trend in the age of AI?
In this episode of Between "You and AI", Andrea Iorio (USA Today bestselling author and keynote speaker) explore a quiet yet profound transformation in the labor market: as artificial intelligence automates standardized cognitive tasks, manual and physical activities are beginning to gain new relevance.
Throughout the conversation, we discuss why this shift is happening, the technological and cultural forces behind it, and what it means for professionals and leaders who must prepare for an increasingly hybrid labor market—one where intellectual, social, and physical skills coexist.
We also reflect on real examples of professionals moving from highly cognitive careers to manual activities, and how the scarcity of technical skills in the physical world may become one of the major differentiators of the future.
More than a simple substitution between types of work, the episode proposes a deeper reflection: in an increasingly digital world, the value of what is physical, concrete, and tangible may rise precisely because it becomes rarer.
Key Topics
The shift in the work paradigm: from cognitive to manual
Real examples of professionals switching from intellectual tasks to manual work
How AI is replacing standardized cognitive tasks
The growing demand for physical and technical skills in infrastructure and maintenance
The cultural dimension of manual work: control, focus, and tangible accomplishment
The scarcity of specialized technical skills
How technology reshapes what is rare and valuable in the labor market
The need to combine intellectual, social, and physical skills
The role of leaders and professionals in adapting to this new landscape
Reflections on the uncertain future of work in the age of AI
Timestamps
00:00 — The impact of changes in work formats and the new demand for manual skills
00:29 — Case of a designer who leaves his career to become a house painter due to AI
00:55 — Professionals moving toward physical and craft-based activities
01:23 — Geoffrey Hinton: “If you want a job in 2030, train to be a plumber.”
01:51 — How AI infrastructure creates new demand for manual skills
02:21 — The technological reasons behind this structural shift
02:48 — The importance of the physical world in the digital economy
03:17 — Cultural and psychological aspects that increase the value of manual work
03:42 — A personal account of finding fulfillment in physical and tangible tasks
04:11 — Control, focus, and well-being in manual work
04:40 — The reassessment of the value of manual skills
05:09 — How automation changes the hierarchy of scarce skills
05:38 — How technology redefines what is rare and valuable
06:06 — Individual preparation for the new world of work
06:32 — Yuval Noah Harari’s insight on the uncertainties of AI
07:01 — The future triad: intellectual, social, and manual skills
07:27 — Using AI as a copilot while strengthening human capabilities
07:50 — Closing thoughts and invitation to reflect
Resources & Links
📘 Book — Between You and AI
https://www.amazon.com/Between-You-AI-Unlock-AI-Driven/dp/1394274333
📖 Yuval Noah Harari — Where is AI taking us?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/02/02/opinion/ai-future-leading-thinkers-survey.html
👤 Andrea Iorio
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