Beyond B2B Marketing

About Beyond B2B Marketing

The Beyond B2B marketing podcast is on a mission to elevate the B2B marketing industry by shining a light on talent, insights and inspiration. Host Lee Odden, CEO at TopRank Marketing, features discussions with today's top B2B marketers to uncover what makes them tick, what drives ROI and how they're breaking free of boring B2B. Whether you're looking for the impact of AI on content, search, social and influencer marketing or practical examples of the best in B2B, this is the place to be.

Publisher

Lee Odden

Category

business · business

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

10 May 2025

Latest episode

19 Jul 2026

Latest episodes

24 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   19 Jul 2026

   GTM Alignment: Sangram Vajre on Trust, Systems, and Modern B2B Growth

   Sangram Vajre says most B2B companies don't have a marketing problem, a sales problem, or a product problem. They have a go-to-market problem. In this episode of Beyond B2B Marketing, host Lee Odden talks with Sangram Vajre, CEO of GTM Partners, Wall Street Journal bestselling author of MOVE, and the operator who helped pioneer account-based marketing at Pardot and Terminus. The conversation is a clear-eyed look at why go-to-market alignment, not more leads, decides which companies grow and which stall. Sangram makes the case that the CEO owns go-to-market as a transformational process, not a campaign, and explains why 68 to 78% of the go-to-market leaders his firm surveys name a lack of clarity, not competition or AI, as the thing stopping them from hitting their numbers. He also shares the data that reframes how B2B marketers should think about growth: Why systems beat goals: "people do not rise to the level of their goals, they fall to the level of their systems." The Salesforce lesson on predictable revenue, where 80 to 85% of next year's number is already in the bank through retention and expansion. A G2-sourced study showing a company that paused brand investment for a single quarter took four more quarters to recover its cost of acquisition, the evidence behind "brand drives demand." The NRR math most founders have never run: at 120% net revenue retention, you can double revenue every 3.8 years without adding a single new customer. For B2B marketers being asked to prove brand's value, wrestling with lead-gen pressure, or trying to earn a strategic seat at the executive table, this episode connects trust, systems thinking, and revenue in a way that reframes the role of marketing itself. Guest: Sangram Vajre, CEO, GTM Partners, Author of MOVE and ABM Is B2B Host: Lee Odden, CEO, TopRank Marketing Subscribe to Beyond B2B Marketing for conversations with the practitioners defining how B2B companies become the best answer for their buyers.

2. 

   6 Jul 2026

   AI Search Optimization: Trevor Pyle on Visibility, Trust, and Winning AI Search

   AI search is changing how B2B buyers discover, evaluate, and trust brands. As platforms like ChatGPT, Google AI Overviews, Perplexity, Claude, and Gemini increasingly answer questions directly, marketers face a new challenge: optimizing not just for rankings, but for how AI understands, cites, and recommends their B2B brand. In this episode of Beyond B2B Marketing, host Lee Odden talks with Trevor Pyle, Head of Marketing at Profound, about what B2B marketers need to know to improve AI search visibility and influence AI-generated brand perception. Drawing on Profound's analysis of more than 10 billion AI citations, Trevor explains why visibility is only the beginning. AI systems don't just retrieve information. They interpret it, summarize it, compare brands, and often form opinions that shape buyer decisions before someone ever visits your website. Key Takeaways from this conversation: How AI search is changing B2B discovery and the buyer journey Why visibility, accuracy, and sentiment all matter in AI-generated answers The role of original research, first-party data, and expert content in AI search optimization Why influencer and third-party content can improve AI visibility Whether marketers should focus on SEO, AEO, GEO, or AI Search Optimization How to optimize content for ChatGPT, Perplexity, Google AI Overviews, Claude, and Gemini The emergence of the "Marketing Engineer" and how AI is changing marketing roles Practical steps every B2B marketing organization can take to improve AI search performance Whether you're responsible for SEO, content marketing, demand generation, thought leadership, or digital strategy for your B2B company, this episode provides actionable insights for helping your brand become the best answer wherever buyers turn to AI for information. Be sure to subscribe to the Beyond B2B Marketing (https://www.toprankmarketing.com/beyond-b2b-podcast/) podcast for conversations with leading marketers, creators, analysts, and entrepreneurs exploring how brands can build visibility, trust, and influence in an increasingly fragmented and AI-powered world. Learn more about how to become a Best Answer Brand with integrated influence, AEO/SEO, experiential content and unified analytics solutions from TopRank Marketing.

3. 

   22 Jun 2026

   Zero-Click Marketing: Rand Fishkin on Attention, Trust, and the Future of B2B Discovery

   Search is changing faster than most B2B marketers realize. AI Overviews, ChatGPT, Reddit, YouTube, influencers, podcasts, and social platforms are fragmenting how buyers discover information and evaluate solutions. At the same time, traditional metrics like rankings, traffic, and even clicks are becoming less reliable indicators of marketing impact. In this episode of the Beyond B2B Marketing podcast, host Lee Odden sits down with Rand Fishkin, founder of SparkToro, co-founder of Moz, and co-author with Amanda Natividad of Zero Click Marketing, to discuss what marketing looks like when discovery happens without a website visit. Rand shares insights from his latest research on search fragmentation, audience behavior, AI search, and why marketers need to rethink long-held assumptions about attribution, content, and visibility. The conversation explores why traffic is becoming a less meaningful KPI, how marketers can identify where buyers are actually paying attention, and why brand building may be more important than ever. Rand also shares his perspective on influencer marketing, audience intelligence, AI-generated content, trust, and the growing disconnect between AI visibility metrics and actual business outcomes. Here are five important takeaways from this conversation about search fragmentation, AI, and Zero Click Marketing: Traffic is no longer the best measure of marketing success As more discovery happens directly within search engines, AI platforms, social networks, and communities, marketers need to focus less on clicks and more on visibility, reach, influence, and business outcomes. You do not need to be everywhere to win Many B2B marketers feel pressure to maintain a presence across every channel. Rand argues that most organizations are better served by identifying the one, two, or three platforms where their audience pays the most attention and investing deeply there. Brand building remains one of the strongest drivers of growth While demand generation remains important, the companies that consistently outperform competitors tend to invest heavily in brand awareness, reputation, and long-term audience trust. AI makes human expertise and originality more valuable, not less As AI-generated content becomes abundant, marketers can differentiate through original research, unique perspectives, creativity, authentic expertise, and memorable experiences that cannot be easily replicated. AI visibility is not the same as business impact Many organizations are focused on tracking mentions and visibility within AI tools. Rand challenges marketers to focus on whether those efforts actually drive awareness, consideration, pipeline, and revenue rather than treating AI visibility as an end goal. Be sure to subscribe to Beyond B2B Marketing for conversations with leading marketers, creators, analysts, and entrepreneurs exploring how brands can build visibility, trust, and influence in an increasingly fragmented and AI-powered world. Learn more about how to become a Best Answer Brand with integrated influence, AEO/SEO, experiential content and unified analytics solutions from TopRank Marketing.

Who has been a guest on Beyond B2B Marketing

Names identified in recent episode analyses. Showing up to five guests.

• Kathleen Booth
• Amber Naslund
• Christiana Marouchos

Reach and audience

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Apple Podcasts (US)

5.0 / 5

6 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

1 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 29 / 100

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Quality

45

Social presence

0

YouTube

0

Engagement

32