AI is reshaping professional services. Beyond Billable dives into how these shifts impact lawyers, consultants, and accountants—featuring conversations with industry leaders and innovators on staying ahead of the curve.
Host: Pim Betist
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AI adoption was only the first step for firms. The next challenge is adapting the law firm around it.
Pim Betist sat down with Daan Potjer, Director of Commercial and Legal Excellence at Loyens & Loeff.
Daan is not a lawyer. Before joining Loyens & Loeff, he built his career in finance and real estate, most recently as COO of Colliers. That gives him an outsider’s perspective on how legal services are organised and what needs to change next.
Pim and Daan talk about why AI adaptation will affect much more than technology, including:
- Why the legal profession’s “glass half empty” mentality can make change harder
- How mid sized firms may get squeezed between large firms and specialised boutiques
- The one change Daan would make if he had a magic wand
- Why multidisciplinary teams will become increasingly important in legal service delivery
- And how law firms can help in house teams become more strategic business partners
If you work in legal and are wondering how the next phase of AI looks, this is one for you.
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4 Aug 2026
Bert Vries: Ignore the Hype, Prepare for the Tsunami
This episode is an English summary of Pim Betist’s conversation in Dutch with Bert Vries, Head of Innovation, Knowledge and Technology at CMS Netherlands, about what it really takes to prepare a law firm for AI.
We explain why the short term impact of AI is often exaggerated while its longer term consequences may be underestimated. We share how CMS uses controlled experiments, firm wide access to Harvey and practice specific use cases to turn AI adoption into measurable value.
We also cover why prompt counts reveal little about success, how AI could reshape legal pricing, why the billable hour still has a role and how law firms may gradually develop into hybrid organisations combining lawyers, software, workflows and agents.
The episode offers a pragmatic perspective on legal innovation: move step by step, focus on client outcomes and prepare for fundamental change without reacting to every new wave of hype.
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4 Aug 2026
Bert Vries: Negeer de hype, bereid je voor op de tsunami
Pim Betist spreekt met Bert Vries, Head of Innovation, Knowledge and Technology bij CMS Nederland, over wat er nodig is om een advocatenkantoor voor te bereiden op AI.
Bert legt uit waarom de impact van AI op korte termijn vaak wordt overschat, terwijl de gevolgen op langere termijn mogelijk worden onderschat. Hij vertelt hoe CMS werkt met gecontroleerde experimenten, kantoorbrede toegang tot Harvey en praktijkgroepspecifieke toepassingen om AI om te zetten in meetbare waarde.
Ook bespreken ze waarom het aantal prompts weinig zegt over succes, hoe AI juridische prijsmodellen kan veranderen, waarom het declarabele uur relevant blijft en hoe advocatenkantoren zich geleidelijk ontwikkelen tot hybride organisaties waarin juristen, software, workflows en agents samenwerken.
Een nuchter gesprek over juridische innovatie, gedragsverandering en de toekomst van het advocatenkantoor.
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