Beyond Referrals

About Beyond Referrals

Beyond Referrals is a podcast for leaders of client service firms navigating a rapidly changing industry. Hosted by brand strategist and founder of Wonderlab Strategy Emily Armstrong, the show features curious, honest conversations about modernization, disruption, and what it takes to grow beyond referral-only models in an era of rapid digitization. Not fluff. Not hype. Beyond Referrals blends forward-thinking industry conversations with tangible frameworks and actionable guidance — helping firm leaders adapt, build trust, and make better strategic decisions.

Publisher

Emily Armstrong

Category

business

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

30 Mar 2026

Latest episode

28 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

34 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   28 Oct 2026

   The Referability Roadmap: Turning Referrals from a Hope into a Strategy w/ Bill Utnage | Beyond Referrals Episode 33

   IN THIS CONVERSATION, YOU'LL LEARN: You’ve been in the business ten-plus years. The referrals keep coming, but they aren’t the clients you actually want, and because referrals are your only pipeline, you can’t say no. So you hire more people to service them, and the business gets heavier instead of better. In this episode, I talk about why so many established advisors drift into passive growth, and why the answer isn’t going back to the grind. Then Bill Utnage, who built and sold service businesses on referrals, shares how he built a small, highly trained team that outperformed bigger competitors by going an inch wide and a mile deep. In this episode: Why established advisors stop prospecting, and what it costs them The passive trap: taking whatever walks in the door Going wide vs. going deep, and why bigger teams aren’t the only path Why clarity has to come before any referral system Connect with Bill (https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-utnage/) · Get his book Referability Roadmap free at Damascus Road Referral Systems (just cover shipping) Connect more with Emily: Free Advisor Brand Assessment (https://www.wonderlabstrategy.com/typeforms/advisor-brand-scorecard) Emily's LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/wonderlabemily/) Emily's Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/emilyarmstrong2.0/) Emily's YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/@EmilyArmstrong2.0) Wonderlab Strategy (https://www.wonderlabstrategy.com/) Want help building your own growth playbook? Email Emily at emily@wonderlabstrategy.com

2. 

   21 Oct 2026

   33 Things I’ve Learned in 33 Years of Life | Beyond Referrals Episode 32

   IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR: Why simplicity is a business strategy, not just an aesthetic How confidence actually works, and why action comes before it, not after The real cost of where you direct your attention Why discipline separates people with great ideas from people who act on them What happens when you hold your dreams loosely This is a solo episode recorded for Emily’s 33rd birthday. No guest, no structure, just 33 honest lessons from 33 years of living, building, and figuring it out. The kind of thing she’d say to a friend over coffee. Connect more with Emily: Free Advisor Brand Assessment (https://www.wonderlabstrategy.com/typeforms/advisor-brand-scorecard) Emily's LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/wonderlabemily/) Emily's Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/emilyarmstrong2.0/) Emily's YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/@EmilyArmstrong2.0) Wonderlab Strategy (https://www.wonderlabstrategy.com/) Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com (mailto:hello@wonderlabstrategy.com)

3. 

   14 Oct 2026

   Build, Scale, Sell: How Nathan Parkhouse Sold His RIA at 4.25x Recurring Revenue with Seven Offers on the Table w/ Nathan Parkhouse | Beyond Referrals Episode 31

   IN THIS CONVERSATION, YOU'LL LEARN: How Nathan built his practice from the ground up and sold it at 4.25 times recurring revenue with seven offers on the table How he crushed it with in-person seminars early on and what that era of building actually looked like The difference between a capacity problem and a follow-through problem, and why most advisors misdiagnose which one they have How the transfer of trust works when clients start relying on your team instead of just you The difference between building a lifestyle practice and building an enterprise, and why AI means you may not have to choose How to remove yourself as the bottleneck to your own growth Nathan Parkhouse built a practice from the ground up and sold it at 4.25 times recurring revenue with seven offers on the table. Today he coaches advisors on removing themselves as the bottleneck to growth,  helping them build practices that are both valuable enterprises and great lives. To connect with Nathan, find him on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanparkhouse/). Connect more with Emily: Free Advisor Brand Assessment (https://www.wonderlabstrategy.com/typeforms/advisor-brand-scorecard) Emily's LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/wonderlabemily/) Emily's Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/emilyarmstrong2.0/) Emily's YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/@EmilyArmstrong2.0) Wonderlab Strategy (https://www.wonderlabstrategy.com/) Want to be on the show or nominate someone? Reach out to hello@wonderlabstrategy.com (mailto:hello@wonderlabstrategy.com)

Who has been a guest on Beyond Referrals

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• Matt Halloran
• Charity Williams
• Hillary Gale
• Jason Colenda
• Scott Grates

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Apple Podcasts (US)

5.0 / 5

1 ratings

Spotify

5.0 / 5

4 ratings

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