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<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">关心地球可持续的同时,也关心每一个具体的日常如何可持续。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">Make Sustainable Relevant </p>

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Episode thumbnail for 28.零零后是怎么用AI的?他们的固执和焦虑

June 10, 2026

28.零零后是怎么用AI的?他们的固执和焦虑

<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">我们终于要聊聊所有行业里的大象——<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">AI</strong>了。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在这里,我们不聊复杂的模型、算法,我们试图和<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">每一个具体的人</strong>聊聊他们在<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">生活中是如何使用AI的</strong>?<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">AI</strong>在他们生活中<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">扮演了什么样的角色</strong>?AI让人类更可持续了吗?</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">这期我们先和两位00后聊了聊,他们在生活和工作中如何使用AI?他们对AI的复杂情感——<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">焦虑、拥抱、谨慎、逃避</strong>… 都因为什么?</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">像嘉宾Churan说的历史的车轮滚滚而过,每一天AI的车轮似乎都在卷动着这个世界,希望这个播客可以是一部小小的AI口述史,但愿合上最后一页的仍然是我们。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">本期嘉宾</strong>:</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">Hailey:北大本科,帝国理工学院毕业,运动达人,现为腾讯商业分析师</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">Churan:港科大毕业,音乐达人,现为腾讯商业分析师</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">最后要告诉大家《不正经聊天》播客有视频版啦~欢迎大家到小红书和视频号关注我们。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">《不正经聊“天”》由腾讯碳中和创新中心出品,这是一档关注可持续的播客,我们关注地球的可持续,也关注人的可持续。归根结底,我们想探讨如何更好地活下去!合作或想加听友群,请+V(wenxinyu73)。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">时间轴:</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">05:46</a> | 打破技术崇拜:Hailey分享如何只用大白话聊天,10分钟“手搓”出一个专属训练APP。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">13:34</a> | 播客的救命干货:录音设备出Bug音频废掉?如何用开源模型硬核降噪拯救废带。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">19:14</a> | 00后的“数字赛博树洞”:把纠结了一万次的情感渣事倒给AI,是一种怎样的体验?</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">29:12</a> | 技术大爆发背后的灰色原罪:为什么说初代AI生图是在对原创画师进行“血腥拼尸块”?</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">35:30</a> | AI的马太效应:AI到底是成熟创业者的降本神器,还是普通人戒不掉的“奶头乐”?</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">39:54</a> | 00后的AI职场实战:如何利用AI来治好晚期拖延症?</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">AI知识小课堂:本期我们聊到的AI工具</strong></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">DeepSeek:</strong>国产大语言模型,因为出圈让更多普通人开始意识到AI已经进入日常工作和生活。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">Codex:</strong>OpenAI开发的AI编程工具,只需要用文字描述需求,就能生成网页、App Demo 或辅助修改代码。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">WorkBuddy:</strong>腾讯 AI 工作助手,只需下达一句指令,它能自主规划并协同多个AI 智能体执行复杂任务,相当于雇了个聪慧的“实习生”。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">Pi Talk / Pi:</strong>偏心理陪伴和对话的AI工具,强调更像心理咨询式的聊天体验。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">MSST:</strong>开源音频处理模型,可以做人声分离、降噪、去混响,把质量很差的录音修复到可用状态。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">Suno AI:</strong>AI音乐生成工具,可以根据提示词生成歌曲,但也引发音乐版权和原创性争议。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">Midjourney:</strong>AI图像生成工具,可以根据文字提示生成图片,是早期冲击画师群体的代表工具之一。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">Stable Diffusion:</strong>开源AI图像生成模型,可以本地部署或二次训练,用于文生图、图生图等创作场景。</p><img data-key="0" src="https://image.xyzcdn.net/FoZpcIAyF_0XOrJts9J6w2dKf-vJ.jpg"><span><br></span><br>

Episode thumbnail for 27.每半年融一轮资,就靠喂细菌吃CO₂ | 南大碳中和101

June 3, 2026

27.每半年融一轮资,就靠喂细菌吃CO₂ | 南大碳中和101

<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">欢迎收听《不正经聊天》播客和<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">南京大学</strong>能资学院打造的<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">碳中和101系列</strong>第三节课,这节课我们请到了<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">明星创业公司</strong>食气生化的联合创始人汪庆卓,汪老师到南大校园里和学生们交流。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">汪老师身上有几个特别之处:</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">人很特别</strong>: 本来在高校干着舒服的教职,他偏要辞职出来创业。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">公司很特别</strong>:也许是老天眷顾勇敢的人,在过去几年整体低迷的投资市场里,他的公司在短短2-3年时间完成了<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">五轮融资</strong>,基本就是<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">每半年一轮股权融资</strong>的节奏。这不但在新材料领域,在整个创投圈都是极罕见的。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">技术很特别</strong>:他们用基因编辑的技术培养了一种神奇的细菌,这种细菌天然就可以<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">把CO2吃掉</strong>,通过微生物发酵的方式,这个细菌吐出来的就是<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">丁醇、乙醇</strong>等基础化学品还有单细胞蛋白,他们下游的应用非常广泛,可以做衣服、香水,也能变成飞机的<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">可持续航空燃油</strong>(SAF),还能做<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">饲料蛋白</strong>。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">汪老师的公司有点像一个细胞工厂,培养了一堆爱吃CO2的<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">微型打工人</strong>,每天源源不断地产生<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">高价值化学品</strong>。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">在全球范围内:真正掌握这项技术的公司可能一只手都数得过来。目前既能做到<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">规模化</strong>,且还有<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">经济性</strong>(也就是说还能挣钱)的技术,在全球范围内<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">屈指可数</strong>,甚至可以说是几乎没有。但汪老师觉得他的公司可以成为那个<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">独角兽</strong>,他觉得<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">中国可能在这方面走在世界的最前列</strong>。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">如果你对汪老师做的这项技术也就是CCUS里面的U(二氧化碳利用)感兴趣,还可以收听《不正经聊天》<a target="_blank" style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;">第12集</a>对汪老师的专访。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">汪老师说创业的这几年,他感觉自己每半年变成一个<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">全新的人</strong>,他也想用自己的经历告诉大家,<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">i人也可以创业,i人也可以去拉投资,</strong>去搞定一个又一个产业化难题。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">用这期播客献所有的i人和那些勇敢的人</strong>。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">接下来,让我们一起走进南大的校园吧。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">《不正经聊“天”》由腾讯碳中和创新中心出品,这是一档关注可持续的播客,我们关注地球的可持续,也关注人的可持续。归根结底,我们想探讨如何更好地活下去!合作或想加听友群,请+V(wenxinyu73)。</strong></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">时间轴:</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">00:02</strong></a> — 减碳不能只花钱,得让减碳本身能赚钱,才是真驱动力。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">01:29</strong></a> — 高校辞职创业,2-3年内五轮融资,每半年一轮。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">02:11</strong></a> — 基因编辑改造细菌,细菌吃CO₂,吐出化学品和蛋白。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">06:00</strong></a> — 人类接触的化学物质99%是碳基</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">12:09</strong></a> — 不做CCUS的"捕"和"存",专攻最难也最值的"用"——把CO₂变成产品。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">22:26</strong></a> — 规模化+有经济性的CCUS技术全球屈指可数,百吨中试已跑通,明年冲万吨级。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">25:06</strong></a> — 中国饲料蛋白75%靠进口,CO₂变蛋白=不种地也能保粮食安全。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">� 核心知识点</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">1. 碳基世界</strong> 人类接触的化学物质&gt;99%含碳,能源、材料、药品都离不开碳源。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">2. 一碳生物化工</strong> 跳过玉米秸秆等生物质,直接拿CO₂当原料,微生物秒转化,速度从"年"变"天"。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">3. CCUS三字母</strong> C=捕集,U=利用,S=封存。汪老师选U,很难但能自己造血。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">4. 食气梭菌</strong> 天生吃CO₂的微生物,基因编辑后定向产出乙醇、丁醇,成百上千反应在一个细胞内完成。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">5. 细胞工厂 vs 分子熔炉</strong> 传统化工高温高压路径长,生物制造常温常压步骤短——细胞就是天然微型化工厂。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">6. SAF(可持续航空燃油)</strong> 乙醇/丁醇可转化为可持续航空燃油,航空业赛道最火方向。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">7. 单细胞蛋白</strong> 汪老师培养的菌体本身就是高蛋白饲料,不靠种地不靠进口,正申请农业部饲料证书。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">8. 中国饲料蛋白卡脖子</strong> 豆粕进口&gt;75%,鱼粉60%-65%,养殖口粮攥在别人手里,CO₂变蛋白是战略解法。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">我们也会在<strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">南京大学能资学院</strong>的公众号同步碳中和101课程的内容,欢迎你们关注~</p><br>

Episode thumbnail for 26.当导弹还有20分钟到达,我们该往哪儿躲?——战争下的建筑

May 27, 2026

26.当导弹还有20分钟到达,我们该往哪儿躲?——战争下的建筑

<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">可持续建筑圆桌派三位嘉宾再次亮相:</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">覃师傅</strong>:清华、哈佛建筑系毕业,深耕中东建筑行业的建筑大V</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">Safina</strong>: 北大人文地理博士,现任腾讯战略部碳中和商业分析师</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">Lena</strong>:不正经聊天主播,剑桥人类学系毕业</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">我们仨先用大头照和大家打个招呼:</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2e04-audiofreehighqps/B4/F0/GKwRIRwN7HprAAV9dQSfVcPG.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/2e04-audiofreehighqps/B4/F0/GKwRIRwN7HprAAV9dQSfVcPG.png" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2e04-audiofreehighqps/B4/F0/GKwRIRwN7HprAAV9dQSfVcPG.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_large" data-large-height="750" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2e04-audiofreehighqps/B4/F0/GKwRIRwN7HprAAV9dQSfVcPG.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="140"></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">中东战争还在继续,这集我们聊了聊战争下的建筑:</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">● 当战争、极端气候不再是小概率事件,灾难来了,我们应该如何躲避?</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">● 建筑如何防御战争,又成为战争的宣传和权力工具?</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">● 中国古代如何通过建筑抵御入侵,又如何用建筑维系族群的文化演进?</strong></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">● 战争结束后,我们如何用建筑纪念伤痕,以及让人们相信活下去的理由?</strong></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><b><span>《不正经聊<span>“</span>天<span>”</span>》由腾讯碳中和创新中心出品,这是一档关注可持续的播客,我们关注地球的可持续,也关注人的可持续。归根结底,我们想知道如何更好地活下去!合作或想加听友群,请联系(<span>wx</span>:<span>wenxinyu73</span>)。</span></b></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">timeline:</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">[04:33] 中国拥有世界上最高的建筑人防标准</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">[06:23] 国内强制地下建车库其实是极强的国防底线思维</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">[08:08] 防空防灾最实用的低成本自救招式是给窗户贴“米”字形宽胶带</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">[08:36] 遇到空袭或地震来不及跑时,最安全的地方是建筑的混凝土“核心筒”</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">[12:08] 911事件后全球超高层建筑开始减少使用纯钢结构</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">[16:00] 战争初期打的都是雷达和机场等高价值军事目标</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">[38:27] 国家大力发展川渝和内陆算力中心,本质是“新三线建设”</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">小本本:灾难来了,躲哪儿?</strong></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">中国地下人防工程(防空地下室)</strong>: 拥有极高世界标准的地下工事,遍布于国内的小区地下车库、商场、写字楼和学校地下,配备有手拧式的钢制“三防门” 。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">建筑核心筒(The Core)</strong>: 高层建筑最坚固的混凝土“脊柱”结构。通常包含消防疏散楼梯、电梯间、设备管道间和卫生间,具有极强的抗侧向力 。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">本集提到的,值得打卡的建筑:</strong></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"> <strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">美国纽约 · 911国家纪念馆《倒映虚空》:</strong>该纪念馆建于被炸毁的世贸双子塔地基原址上,通过两个巨大的方形下沉式水池与永不停歇的瀑布,以极致的“留白”隐喻灾难带来的不可愈合的伤痕。不断流动的水寓意着 life goes on。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b3b2-audiofreehighqps/10/74/GKwRIUEN7HpuAEICMQSfVcR2.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/b3b2-audiofreehighqps/10/74/GKwRIUEN7HpuAEICMQSfVcR2.png" data-preview-width="140" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b3b2-audiofreehighqps/10/74/GKwRIUEN7HpuAEICMQSfVcR2.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_large" data-large-height="500" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b3b2-audiofreehighqps/10/74/GKwRIUEN7HpuAEICMQSfVcR2.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="93"><span><br></span></p><p 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data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/0e2e-audiofreehighqps/30/C5/GKwRIW4N7HpwAEMPzQSfVcWp.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_large" data-large-height="499" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/0e2e-audiofreehighqps/30/C5/GKwRIW4N7HpwAEMPzQSfVcWp.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_small" data-large-width="750" data-preview-height="93"><span><br></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><strong style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">欧洲棱堡 / 星形要塞(Star Fort):</strong> 针对火炮战术演化出的多角星形或心形斜坡防御要塞。在欧洲星罗棋布,而在中国内地几乎见不到 。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><img data-key="3" 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style="color:#FC5832;word-break:break-all;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight: normal;">华盛顿越战纪念碑/纪念馆(Vietnam Veterans Memorial):</strong> 林璎(Maya Lin)的成名神作,其V字形黑色花岗岩墙体如同“大地的伤痕”般沉降入地下,冰冷地刻满5万多名阵亡士兵的名字。建筑利用高反射率材质形成镜面,让走近的审视者与死者名字交织叠加,在无声中完成跨越时空的伤痕疗愈与反思。</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;"><img data-key="4" src="https://image.xyzcdn.net/FoJLyL7-IUzsrS_U3LWx0xSheHuG.webp"><img data-key="5" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/b2cd-audiofreehighqps/A6/23/GAqhQKIN7Hp3ACXx4gSfVcky.png!op_type=4&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;device_type=ios&amp;name=mobile_large" data-origin="http://fdfs.xmcdn.com/storages/b2cd-audiofreehighqps/A6/23/GAqhQKIN7Hp3ACXx4gSfVcky.png" data-preview-width="140" 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