Business Online Playbook

About Business Online Playbook

Business Online Playbook is a practical podcast for marketers, founders, and creative leaders building brands in the real world. Each episode breaks down how modern businesses actually grow online, what’s working, what’s changing, and what most people get wrong. Short conversations, honest insights, and ideas you can apply right away.

Publisher

Drew Mabry, Fast + Light

Category

business

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

5 Feb 2026

Latest episode

6 Oct 2026

Latest episodes

7 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   6 Oct 2026

   Business Online Playbook S01 EP07 Adam Weil

   On Business Online Playbook, Drew Mabry talks with Adam Weil, a partner at White Rabbit Group and host of the Pixel Perfect Podcast. They discuss where small agencies can compete, how AI changes the billable hour, and when building your own software creates more work than it saves.Adam also shares how disappointing development partnerships led him to White Rabbit Group, why he expects more in-person connection in tech, and what his first job at In-N-Out taught him about training people well.WHAT YOU WILL HEAR- Small agencies can move quickly and carry less overhead, but they need a clear position in a crowded market.- AI can shorten a project without reducing its value. Adam explains when fixed pricing fits and why hourly work still has a place.- A small tool may be easy to build over a weekend; hosting, maintenance, and team use change the calculation.- Relationships and in-person conversations matter more when online content feels less trustworthy.- Adam's experience with development teams shaped the way he evaluates communication, quality assurance, and delivery.- His favorite sandwich is an In-N-Out burger, and he credits the company's training for lessons he still uses.CHAPTERS00:00 Meet Adam Weil01:39 Where small agencies have an advantage04:21 AI, billable hours, and fixed pricing06:42 When vibe coding becomes a maintenance problem09:14 Human connection in an automated industry10:19 What failed development partnerships taught Adam12:13 The favorite-sandwich debate13:16 Lessons from working at In-N-Out14:17 Adam's advice: experiment and focus on valueABOUT THE GUESTAdam Weil is a partner at White Rabbit Group and host of the Pixel Perfect Podcast. His design studio became part of White Rabbit Group after he spent years looking for a development team he could trust.CONNECT WITH DREW MABRYLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drewmabryWebsite: https://fastandlight.agency/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fastandlightagencyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@fastandlightagencyX: https://x.com/fastlightagencyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/fastandlightagency/CONNECT WITH ADAM WEILLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-weilWebsite: https://whiterabbit.group/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/whiterabbit.group/Pixel Perfect Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pixel-perfect-podcast/id1668468662

2. 

   15 Sept 2026

   Business Online Playbook S01 EP06 Matthew Fox

   SUMMARY In this episode, Matthew Fox shares insights on what truly makes projects succeed or fail, emphasizing the importance of leadership, emotional intelligence, and adaptability over tools and processes. Drew Mabry explores how self-awareness, conflict management, and flexible thinking can transform project outcomes. CHAPTERS 00:00 — Introduction to project leadership vs. management 01:03 — Why most projects fail: fear and inflexibility 02:54 — The importance of self-awareness and emotional intelligence 04:17 — Why good leaders lean into conflict 05:32 — Listening as a critical leadership skill 08:10 — The pitfalls of standardization in project management 10:10 — Embracing change and practicing leadership skills 11:16 — Creating safe spaces for growth and practice KEYWORDS project leadership, emotional intelligence, conflict management, adaptability, team dynamics, project success, leadership skills, organizational culture KEY TOPICS - Difference between project manager and project leader - Root causes of project failure - Role of emotional intelligence in leadership - Importance of conflict management - Listening skills for leaders - Impact of standardization on team autonomy - Adapting to change and failure - Practicing leadership skills in real-time SOUND BITES - “Most people in organizations miss that project managers are leaders without the title” - “Failure is expected and adaptability leads to success” - “Conflict can be fuel for creativity, like fertilizer for growth” CONNECT WITH DREW MABRY LinkedIn:  linkedin.com/in/drewmabry Website:  https://fastandlight.agency/ (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUZZTVljRWVvclBCVU1reEk2QXNhcllfcV9Bc3xBTl9pYzRjWi1sQTBNZkJJVDRrd1IxSUk4MWkyeDh3WlZoNkNfTFZRckRXWWFzRF9zMzZheTNnaWlNeVNSVnF5TjBIUlRENVhJMmZaVlcyWmtHLTd4dlNKUDhtbS1XV1ZnNEFC&q=https%3A%2F%2Ffastandlight.agency%2F&v=HCBGl8nhquU) Instagram:    / fastandlightagency   (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUZZTVljRjI5MHlTSlJZWlp5S055bFdYUlB1Y3xBTl9pYzRkY0t2eVFqYXE2TTNzeDVrNlkwbzNXeFNTbmNQcXpMS3prZ2VmVG0tV2pKVTFrVXdGam9SSWRnQWNHcTRVbXJIM1dxLU1qMkNHaE9RMnRJdVNCelV1cnhXNEN2V0Zk&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Ffastandlightagency&v=HCBGl8nhquU) TikTok:    / fastandlightagency   (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUZZTVljSFFxalhCSDJ2d2xSMGRGR2ZfR2kyX3xBTl9pYzRlYjA0LTdrU2pHU2U4bTlDczUxdmpDSkNsOWJMME9scFdOQzBFWnRTYU9HU043aE1XcDFiTWRVSzMzdmIxckZTdGFJVVZhM0FIcFl6NG50NUg2MG9yN29fU1YtSF9k&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tiktok.com%2F%40fastandlightagency&v=HCBGl8nhquU) X:   (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUZZTVljSENCNlpfWjNjYlIwUEFTTVBpdFRWWHxBTl9pYzRkVWlWN1QtVjkzMS1LTWExeFY2TUtoUGV3aTVNTTg2RkNSV1ZCU0w2RFJQZl9GWEctWEpsYzAxY2ZSM0M0NTFqRU1hZGROMWJBT0Y3MWQ1NmlPaTVtck44WGc2bERQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Ffastlightagency&v=HCBGl8nhquU)https://x.com/fastlightagency (https://x.com/fastlightagency) CONNECT WITH MATTHEW FOX Linkedin:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewfox/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewfox/)

3. 

   24 Aug 2026

   Business Online Playbook S01 EP05 Wil Reynolds

   Wil Reynolds joins Drew Mabry for a candid conversation about the state of SEO, AI search, and the part most vendors keep skipping: trust. They also get personal about health, longevity, hard goals, and why getting out of your own bubble matters more than chasing the latest playbook. The big thread through the episode is simple - tactics come and go, but real growth still depends on craft, honesty, and relationships. Will also shares how he is using AI to scale his own consulting workflow without losing human judgment.Key topics- In this episode, Wil and Drew open with health, discipline, and the way hard goals can force better habits. - Wil talks about losing 145 pounds, using peptides, and focusing on quality of life rather than endless longevity. - Drew shares how he invested in a local gym owner by offering a free website in exchange for accountability. - The conversation turns to AI hype and why CEOs often say one thing publicly while preparing to cut headcount privately. - Wil explains why he challenges vendors who claim they can optimize for AI answers and asks how they pick prompts, use customer data, and validate their process. - He argues that using only short, keyword-like prompts is lazy and that real prompts should reflect how people naturally speak and search. - Wil breaks down query fan out and why brands that show up there need real authority, not listicle -style manipulation. - The two dig into trust as something that exists in backchannels, referrals, Slack, WhatsApp, and other places marketers cannot directly measure. - Wil says the best brands are the ones people talk about when they are not in the room, and reputation compounds through honest work. - He warns against AI-generated content and fake proof, sharing an example of a local food review site that lost credibility because the food photos were artificial. - The conversation gets blunt about the need for craftsmanship, original thinking, and human QA in an industry rushing to automate everything. - Wil closes by explaining how he stays grounded through volunteering, perspective, financial security, and remembering that marketing problems are not the same as life-and-death problems.Contact Wil Reynolds:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wilreynolds/ Website: https://www.seerinteractive.com/ Connect with Drew Mabry:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/drewmabry Website: https://fastandlight.agency/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fastandlightagency TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@fastandlightagency X: https://x.com/fastlightagency

4. 

   15 Jul 2026

   Business Online Playbook S01E04 Allyson Marino

   In this episode, Drew Mabry chats with content strategist Allyson Marino about the true meaning of authenticity, how creators can attract the right audience, and why having a solid strategy is crucial for success in podcasting and digital content. Main Topics: The difference between authentic and lazy content How to get attention without going viral Building trust and intimacy through consistent presence Niche targeting with detailed listener avatars The importance of adapting content strategies post-2019 How brands can effectively show up in the podcast ecosystem Promoting oneself authentically without cringe The significance of strategy alongside authenticity in content success The role of partnerships and business acumen for creators Success in content creation hinges on combining authenticity with strategy and persistent effort. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introducing the importance of authenticity and strategy in podcasting 00:28 - Why lazy authenticity can keep creators invisible 00:42 - What getting attention really means for creators and brands 01:29 - Reaching the right listeners and avoiding viral obsession 02:15 - Narrowing down target audiences through detailed avatars 03:05 - Showing up consistently as a key to authenticity 03:35 - Thinking strategically about audience and show design 04:48 - How to keep listeners engaged with targeted content 05:33 - Adapting content strategies in the post-2019 landscape 06:25 - Using social media and comment engagement to fill the listenership bucket 07:11 - Why brands thrive in podcast environments through trust 08:32 - Promoting yourself without cringe—showing up authentically 09:08 - The importance of persistence and multi-platform presence 10:11 - Brands cultivating personality on social platforms like Threads 11:36 - Creators undervaluing systems and overvaluing content 12:16 - The critical role of partnerships and business focus for creators 13:35 - The danger of the 'authenticity trap' without a strategy 14:15 - Success requires strategy, effort, and consistency 14:58 - Resources for podcasters and creators seeking growth and monetization 15:13 - Final thoughts and encouragement for creators Connect with Allison Marino: LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/allysonmarino (https://linkedin.com/in/allysonmarino) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/allyson__marino/ (https://www.instagram.com/allyson__marino/) Connect with Drew Mabry: LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/drewmabry (https://linkedin.com/in/drewmabry) Website: https://fastandlight.agency/ (https://fastandlight.agency/) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fastandlightagency (https://www.instagram.com/fastandlightagency) TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@fastandlightagency (https://www.tiktok.com/@fastandlightagency) X: https://x.com/fastlightagency (https://x.com/fastlightagency)

5. 

   1 Apr 2026

   Business Online Playbook S01E03 Jordache Johnson

   Mastering AI Adoption and Building in the Age of Automation with Introduction: Discover how leaders can shift from superficial AI use to true AI building capabilities. Jordache Johnson shares actionable insights on transforming organizational culture, harnessing data, and evolving your leadership approach to unlock AI's full potential in business. Main Topics: Common pitfalls and misconceptions of AI adoption in organizations The AI mastery ladder and how organizations can progress beyond basic subscriptions Leadership behaviors that foster or hinder AI-driven transformation Practical steps to build AI-first workflows, especially in onboarding and content creation The importance of culture, experimentation, and leadership visibility in AI success The future of AI interfaces and how workflows will evolve beyond chat-based interactions Strategies for agencies and marketers to leverage AI for competitive advantage In this episode: Jordache categorizes AI adoption into three buckets: paralysis, stagnation, and progress, and how to move organizations forward The concept of everyone being a builder — from coding to system design — enabled by accessible tools Leaders can create competitive moats by leveraging experience, data, and contextual knowledge during AI integration The significance of building feedback loops and systems before deploying AI solutions Practical AI workflow rebuilds, notably transforming onboarding into voice-driven, data-rich processes The shift from chat window interactions to autonomous orchestration and connected AI agents Why mediocre agencies may be displaced unless they upgrade their AI skills and value delivery Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction: Moving from AI users to AI builders 00:29 - The three buckets of AI adoption pitfalls 01:11 - Why treating AI like a checkbox prevents real progress 02:23 - What founders and CMOs can do differently this quarter 03:09 - The evolution of building with AI: from rule-based to creative solutions 04:04 - The power of building your own tools as an individual 05:00 - How to embrace the “system before the system” approach 05:57 - Building and leveraging your own AI tools and automations 07:44 - Leadership behaviors that kill or promote AI adoption 08:19 - How organizational culture impacts AI experimentation and innovation 09:47 - Cultivating a safe environment for AI experimentation with recognition 10:15 - Leaders practicing AI openly to build trust and safety 11:43 - Practical steps for leaders to foster AI adoption in their teams 12:13 - Encouraging failure as a growth tool in AI initiatives 12:55 - The competitive advantage: quality of AI use versus mere access to tools 13:34 - How experience, data, and system thinking create moats 15:01 - The importance of data, context, and examples in AI success 16:28 - Building your own AI systems with structured data and feedback loops 17:29 - Personal AI agents and how capturing your knowledge accelerates output 18:28 - The vast goldmine of data in daily activities and how to leverage it 19:18 - Rebuilding marketing workflows, especially onboarding, with AI 21:09 - The future of AI interfaces — moving beyond chat bubbles 22:35 - Autonomous AI agents and interconnected workflows of the future 24:42 - Voice as a primary interface: capturing ideas on the go 25:30 - How the evolution of AI influences daily business practices and communication 26:17 - Questions CEOs should ask their teams to verify genuine AI skill and intention 28:49 - The false mastery trap and continuous learning in AI mastery 29:23 - Will AI eliminate mediocrity — or elevate excellence? 31:32 - The importance of being methodical and continually upgrading AI skills 33:00 - The role of foundational knowledge and principles over features and trends 34:52 - Final words: embracing curiosity and experiment-driven growth in Connect with Drew Mabry LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/drewmabry/) Twitter (https://x.com/drewmabry) https://www.fastandlight.agency (https://www.fastandlight.agency/) Connect with Jordache Johnson: LinkedIn (https://linkedin.com/in/jordachejohnson) Twitter (https://twitter.com/jordachejohnson) https://jordache.ai

6. 

   18 Feb 2026

   Business Online Playbook S01E02 Carl Smith

   In this episode, Drew Mabry sits down with Carl Smith, founder of Bureau of Digital, to explore the nuances of effective collaboration, partnership dynamics, and leadership in creative agencies. They discuss the importance of clear communication, trust, cultural alignment, and strategic decision-making to foster resilient teams and successful client relationships. Key Topics: Common signs and root causes of partnership wobbling, including misaligned expectations and lack of planning How to approach tough conversations with partners using role play and scenario planning The importance of aligning company values with internal culture versus external brand How pressure triggers self-protection and system failures within teams Practical tools like the GAF (give a fuck) index to manage disagreements and decision-making The role of vulnerability and genuine check-ins to create a safer, more productive environment Strategies for simplifying collaboration and reducing noise through structured thinking routines How to prioritize effectively by storytelling and scenario analysis Building trust and ownership around AI and technological change by providing context and transparency The value of experiential learning, mentorship, and creating a community that fosters contribution over consumption Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to Carl Smith and the Bureau of Digital community 01:15 - Signs of partnership instability: misaligned expectations and lack of planning 03:45 - Role-playing tough decisions to preempt conflicts 06:15 - Company values versus internal culture and external brand alignment 08:10 - When pressure hits: how teams protect themselves and system failures 10:05 - Practical tools: implementing the GAF index in collaboration 11:40 - The importance of vulnerability and regular check-ins for team safety 14:10 - How small behaviors foster better partnership and trust 16:05 - The impact of company culture on employee retention and client relations 18:00 - Deciding what to cut during reorganizations without burnout 20:50 - Storytelling as a decision filter and scenario planning 22:30 - Trust and ownership in AI utilization 24:15 - The importance of human oversight in AI-driven processes Resources & Links: Book: The Five Dysfunctions of a Team (https://www.amazon.com/Five-Dysfunctions-Team-Leaders-Management/dp/0787960756) by Patrick Lencioni Bureau of Digital (https://bureauofdigital.com/) Fast + Light Agency (https://www.fastandlight.agency/) Note: This conversation highlights practical strategies for strengthening partnerships, fostering trust, and navigating change in agency environments.

7. 

   5 Feb 2026

   Business Online Playbook S01E01 Will Reynolds

   In this conversation, Drew Mabry of Fast + Light interviews Will Reynolds, founder of Seer Interactive, discussing the evolving landscape of digital marketing, the impact of AI on customer perception, and the importance of building trust in marketing. Reynolds emphasizes the need for marketers to adapt their strategies, invest in in-house influencers, and focus on authentic content that resonates with audiences rather than just chasing visibility. He also shares insights on the changing dynamics of SEO and the importance of understanding customer perceptions in the age of AI. Takeaways - Will Reynolds emphasizes the importance of feedback loops in content creation. - Marketers are under-investing in building internal influencers. - AI's impact on customer perception is significant and should be carefully managed. - The correlation between SEO rankings and traffic is no longer reliable. - Trust is fragile and can be easily broken in the digital age. - Authenticity in content is crucial for building trust with customers. - Visibility does not equate to belief or choice in a brand. - Data-driven decisions should be balanced with gut instincts. - Conversations about SEO should focus on underlying assumptions. - Content that resonates with people is more valuable than mere traffic. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Will Reynolds and Seer Interactive 02:25 The Evolution of SEO and AI 05:00 The Importance of In-House Influencers 07:23 Trust in the Age of AI 10:09 Authenticity vs. AI in Content Creation 13:17 Data vs. Gut Instinct in Decision Making 15:18 Rethinking SEO Assumptions 17:52 Content that Moves Traffic vs. Content that Moves People 21:17 Podcast Outro.wav Sound bites - "We need some kind of feedback loop." - "What do we want our customers to know about us?" - "We're mortgaging our trust with this AI shit." https://fastandlight.agency

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