CEEPing Up with Education is a semi-regular podcast that focuses on current topics in the education landscape, including education policy and issues in education. Produced by the Center for Evaluation and Education Policy at Indiana University, this podcast is for anyone interested in the state of education in the United States and across the globe.
Teaching Controversial Topics in an Age of Mis and Disinformation with Professor Sylvia Martinez
Host Kristin Schumacher speaks with Indiana University Professor Sylvia Martinez about commonly held beliefs about US immigration and what it's like to teach controversial topics.
Host: Kristin Schumacher
Editor and Producer: Joe Heisler
Music Production: Ben Fouch
Contact us at: soeceep@iu.edu
4 Aug 2026
Dr. Jen Rafferty Wants Teachers to Feel Empowered
CEEPing Up with Education's host, Kristin Schumacher, interviews Dr. Jen Rafferty about her new book The Empowered Educator: 10 Lessons to Prevent Burnout, Reclaim Your Joy, and Unlock Your Teaching Potential (https://penguinrandomhousehighereducation.com/book/?isbn=9798217338603). Listen to the conversation to find out how teachers and school staff can build a sustaining sense of well-being that supports the vital work happening in classrooms.
Find Dr. Rafferty at https://empowerededucator.com/ (https://empowerededucator.com/)
Host: Kristin Schumacher
Editor and Producer: Joe Heisler
Music Composer and Producer: Ben Fouch
9 Jul 2026
What is the Optimal Number of Students in a School District: An Indiana Story
Our guests, Dr. Michele Moore and Steffi Elizabeth Thomas, discuss the results of their recent study What is the Optimal Number of Students in a School District in Indiana? An Economies of Scale in School Consolidation Discussion (https://education.indiana.edu/ceep/education-policy/policy-reports/2026/what-is-the-optimal-number-of-students-in-a-school-district-in-indiana.html). Should we be asking what's too big in terms of school district size?
Questions or comments? Contact us at soeceep@iu.edu
Host: Kristin Schumacher
Editor and Producer: Joe Heisler
Music Composer and Producer: Ben Fouch
10 Jun 2026
Can You Measure Anything? According to Dr. Nicole Alioto, You Can.
CEEPing Up with Education host, Kristin Schumacher, interviews Dr. Nicole Alioto about her book, You Can Measure Anything: An Educator's Guide to Measuring What is Hard to Define (https://www.nicolealioto.com/books). They discuss how to evaluate the seemingly difficult to measure goals of schools, and why that matters.
Find Dr. Alioto at nicolealioto.com or on linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-alioto/). She is also on Instagram @measureanything.
Contact the Center for Evaluation and Education Policy (https://education.indiana.edu/ceep/index.html) at Indiana University Bloomington at soeceep@iu.edu.
Editor and Producer: Joe Heisler
Theme Music Composer and Producer: Ben Fouch
Host: Kristin Schumacher
2 Jun 2026
NAMM Advocates for Arts Funding with John Mlynczak
John Mlynczak, President and CEO of the National Association of Music Merchants, speaks with host Kristin Schumacher about NAMM's efforts to preserve and promote music education. The conversation includes topics such as tariffs, AI, and the joy of making and performing music.
Check out NAMM's good work at: https://www.namm.org/about (https://www.namm.org/about)
Editor and Producer: Joe Heisler
Theme Music: Ben Fouch
Host: Kristin Schumacher
You can find CEEP at: https://education.indiana.edu/ceep/index.html (https://education.indiana.edu/ceep/index.html)
24 Feb 2026
The Kids Who Aren't Okay - An Interview with Dr. Ross W. Greene
Host Kristin Schumacher interviews Dr. Ross W. Greene about his new book - The Kids Who Aren't Okay: The Urgent Case for Reimagining Support, Belonging, and Hope in Schools (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1668203901/?bestFormat=true&k=the%20kids%20who%20aren%27t%20okay&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-bk-ww_k0_1_12_de&crid=3GPU5O9I8JD3Y&sprefix=the%20kids%20who). Dr. Greene is a clinical child psychologist and the author of influential books such as Lost at School and The Explosive Child. He served on the faculty at Harvard Medical School for over 20 years, and is the founding director of the non-profit Lives in the Balance (https://livesinthebalance.org/).
This episode was produced and edited by Joe Heisler. Theme music was composed and performed by Ben Fouch. Connect with us at soeceep@iu.edu, and check out our Substack @ceep1.
28 May 2025
Changes in Indiana Public and Charter School Student Enrollment
Host Kristin Schumacher interviews Dr. Michele Moore and Moaaz Hamid about their report on Indiana school enrollment trends, exploring declining birth rates and the school choice movement's impact.
13 Dec 2024
Episode 6: The Trouble with Indiana Senate Bill 202 with David Nalbone
Kristin Schumacher discusses the potential consequences and concerns surrounding Indiana Senate Bill 202 with Purdue Northwest professor David Nalbone, exploring the balance between campus climate and government intervention.
13 Dec 2024
Episode 5: The Case for Indiana Senate Bill 202 with Spencer Deery
Indiana State Senator Spencer Deery explains how Senate Bill 202 fosters a sense of belonging on college campuses by promoting intellectual diversity and accountability in the classroom.
23 Oct 2024
Episode 4: Navigating Policy Controversies with Dr. Quentin Wheeler-Bell
This is the fourth episode of the podcast brought to listeners by the Center for Evaluation and Education Policy at Indiana University Bloomington. Our host, Kristin Schumacher, speaks with IU Philosophy of Education professor Dr. Quentin Wheeler-Bell about navigating controversial policies, including Indiana's Senate Bill 202, the Red Scare, and DEI initiatives.
This episode was made by:
Host: Kristin Schumacher
Guests: Dr. Quentin Wheeler-Bell
Producer: Paul Faulkner
Sound Engineer: Bloomington High School North's Video Production Club
Theme Music: Ben Fouch
Contact: soeceep@indiana.edu
15 Aug 2024
Episode 3: Teacher Pay in Indiana with Kristie LeBeau
This is the third episode of the podcast brought to listeners by the Center for Evaluation and Education Policy at Indiana University Bloomington. Our host, Kristin Schumacher, speaks with guest Kristie LeBeau about Indiana’s new teacher pay policy which raises minimum salaries to $40,000. You can read more about Dr. LeBeau's research in CEEP's latest policy brief: https://education.indiana.edu/research/centers/ceep/education-policy/policy-briefs/2024/examining-teacher-salary-policy-in-indiana.html (https://education.indiana.edu/research/centers/ceep/education-policy/policy-briefs/2024/examining-teacher-salary-policy-in-indiana.html)
This episode was made by:
Host: Kristin Schumacher
Guests: Kristie LeBeau
Producer: Paul Faulkner
Sound Engineer: Theo Hawkins
Theme Music: Ben Fouch
Keep in touch with CEEP!
Visit our website: education.indiana.edu/ceep
Contact us: soeceep@indiana.edu
Follow on Twitter & Facebook: @soeceep
Follow on Instagram: @ceepsoeiu
30 May 2024
Episode 2: Thoughts about Indiana’s “Eyes on Education” initiative
This is the second episode of the podcast brought to listeners by the Center for Evaluation and Education Policy at Indiana University Bloomington. Our host, Kristin Schumacher, speaks with guests and fellow PhD students, Kathy Craig and Michael Bienz about Indiana’s “Eyes on Education” dashboard. “Eyes on Education” allows parents, students, and other interested individuals to post what they deem to be objectionable lesson plans, materials, and school policies from Indiana schools.
https://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/education-liberty/ (https://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/education-liberty/)
https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/school-admin-left-to-make-sense-of-eyes-on-education-portal-after-its-launch.php (https://indianapublicmedia.org/news/school-admin-left-to-make-sense-of-eyes-on-education-portal-after-its-launch.php)
This episode was made by:
Host: Kristin Schumacher
Guests: Kathy Craig and Michael Bienz
Producer: Paul Faulkner
Sound Engineer: Theo Hawkins
Theme Music: Ben Fouch
Keep in touch with CEEP!
Visit our website: ceep.indiana.edu
Contact us: soeceep@indiana.edu
Follow on Twitter & Facebook: @soeceep
Follow on Instagram: @ceepsoeiu
27 Mar 2024
Episode 1: The Implications of School Choice with Yusuf Canbolat
This is the first episode of the podcast brought to listeners by the Center for Evaluation and Education Policy at Indiana University Bloomington. Our guest, Yusuf Canbolat, is a recent graduate of the History, Philosophy, and Policy PhD program at Indiana University. Yusuf talks with host Kristin Schumacher about one of the papers he wrote for his dissertation, which centers around the implications of school choice.
This episode was made by:
Host: Kristin Schumacher
Guest: Yusuf Canbolat
Producer: Paul Faulkner
Sound Engineer: Theo Hawkins
Theme Music: Ben Fouch
Keep in touch with CEEP!
Visit our website: ceep.indiana.edu
Contact us: soeceep@indiana.edu
Follow on Twitter & Facebook: @soeceep
Follow on Instagram: @ceepsoeiu
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