Chaney for Change

About Chaney for Change

Chaney for Change, a podcast of Toward Home LLC, where we talk about changing the culture through innovation and collaboration, often starting with our own hearts. towardhome.substack.com (https://towardhome.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast)

Publisher

Chaney Mullins Gooley

Category

business · religion & spirituality

Language

en

Explicit

Yes

First episode

2 Aug 2026

Latest episode

10 Nov 2026

Latest episodes

9 episodes in the feed.

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   10 Nov 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 9): Monica Ashour of TOBET - The Body Matters for EveryBody

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   27 Oct 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 8): Tricia Lewis and Tonya Flores - Reproductive Loss Network and MyCareTrac

   This podcast if offered free of charge to help spread life-affirming messages. Please share it with a friend and consider supporting Toward Home LLC by upgrading Substack of making a gift on Venmo (https://venmo.com/u/towardhome), or Stripe (https://buy.stripe.com/7sYaEWeHp16ng2H48IdAk01). Links: * https://mycaretrac.org/about * https://reproductivelossnetwork.org/ * https://reproductivelossnetwork.org/education-topics/ * https://learn.reproductivelossnetwork.org/commissioning * https://learn.reproductivelossnetwork.org/courses Get full access to Toward Home at towardhome.substack.com/subscribe (https://towardhome.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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   13 Oct 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 7): Robin Fuller - Professional Coaching & Finish Well Book Launch

   This podcast if offered free of charge to help spread life-affirming messages. Please share it with a friend and consider supporting Toward Home LLC by upgrading Substack of making a gift on Venmo (https://venmo.com/u/towardhome), or Stripe (https://buy.stripe.com/7sYaEWeHp16ng2H48IdAk01). I understand that the topics I cover can be tender and controversial. Please remember that respectful disagreement is always welcome on my page. Links: https://book.robinfuller.coach/ (https://book.robinfuller.coach/) https://www.robinfuller.coach/ (https://www.robinfuller.coach/) Get full access to Toward Home at towardhome.substack.com/subscribe (https://towardhome.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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   29 Sept 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 6): Suzanne Guy - Life Initiatives and Values

   Links: * https://li-v.com/ (https://li-v.org/) Prenatal Diagnosis Support: * https://fetalconcerns.com/ * https://mamabearcare.org/ * https://prenataldiagnosis.org/ * https://www.benotafraid.net/ * https://directory.herplan.org/provider-search?categories=6246cff1cbec72bd7cdb441b%2C6246cff1cbec72bd7cdb441f%2C6246cff1cbec72bd7cdb441d Transcript: Everyone, welcome to Chaney for Change, a podcast of Toward Home LLC, where we talk about changing the culture through innovation and collaboration, often starting with our own hearts. Wow, we have Suzanne Guy here with us today, pro-life activist extraordinaire with all the love and mercy that should come from pro-life in a pro-woman way, as I say. We are dear friends. Some of you may have watched the previous episode with her daughter, Rachel Guy. The two of them share a wonderful substack. And I’m excited, Suzanne, today to just really hear your heart because everybody that hears your heart is inspired by you. You were pro-life woman of the year. You’re now starting your own nonprofit to expand your model that you’ve kind of created of connecting the church and pro-life ministry together. So there’s so many places we can start and apologize for the noise with technical difficulties. Of course, in the irony of Toward Home LLC, my own home is getting a new roof. We’re going to take that as a spiritual sign of Christ giving us extra protection. And here we are. Suzanne, would you just refresh everyone’s memories for a moment of your pro-life story when being pro-life actually came Toward Home? Well, first of all, Chaney, one of my dearest friends, I adore you. It’s a privilege to be with you. Thank you for having me. And thank you for the beautiful work that you do. And thank you for how beautifully mercy driven you are, truth driven that you are. And you just make such an impact on all of us. And I just want to share with anyone who’s listening that even as we were talking beforehand, you were so beautifully giving language to something that I was Kind of trudging through and trying to make sense of. And you gave some God-given language that helped me have a better understanding of some logistical things I’m working out as we work on the Live Ministry. So thank you. Thank you very much. Well, you know, shame tries to get into us when we’re in ministry work. And for all of us, I think that’s one really special thing about our little group text, which we call Aslan’s Army. But, you know, you and I have kind of developed this community of activists that have really dedicated ourselves to this as a vocational calling. And sometimes that can be lonely. We’re all doing it in our own ways. We all kind of start to buy into the devil’s lies of limited resources. And so being there for one another is really vital to long term sustaining this work. I love that you said that. And even how you talked about your ministry and about collaboration and all of us being connected really does make all the difference in the world. And of course, that is the Lord’s heart. So thank you for what you do. And it’s a privilege to serve with you, my dear friend. And thank you about your initial question. As I know, you talked with Rachel, but in a nutshell, Three doctors insisted that my husband, Peter, and I abort Rachel. When we first discovered, they discovered half my amniotic fluid was gone. And then a couple weeks later, all my amniotic fluid was gone. And through a series of many different conversations, constantly being pressured to abort Rachel. All because of a diagnosis. And it was so shocking to me. Even though I was very pro-life, I had no idea that the medical community told parents that the solution to their child’s struggle in utero was a death sentence. And of course, as many know, The diagnosis ended up being wrong, but that’s not even the point. The point is, even if the diagnosis had been right, no one is defined by their diagnosis, whether inside the womb, outside the womb. A diagnosis does not define us. A diagnosis does not all of a sudden make some lives less valuable. A diagnosis is merely that, a diagnosis. And the medical community should be fighting for and protecting and cherishing every single life. But instead, my husband and I found ourselves on the receiving end of pressure to abort. And then we were saying back to the doctors, no, no. How many different ways do we need to say no to have you understand we won’t abort? And then they just washed their hands of us. They would they basically they were like, this is this is your only option. Take it or leave it. And they said at one point, go when my husband said, well, what will you do for us? Because clearly we won’t abort. And this was after so many conversations. And he said, I don’t know, because everyone in your position has always aborted. And that has never left us. Hmm. And has really impacted not only Peter and my life, but Rachel’s life to say, we’re going to do everything in our power until Jesus takes us home to try to get the medical field to do what they said they went to school for, which is to do no harm, which is to heal, which is to give health care. And as we know, abortion is not health care because killing somebody is not health care. It’s so sickening. It’s so disturbing. It’s so shocking. And it’s terrifying because by nature, we trust our doctors, but we forget that doctors are just people with biases and a sin nature and all these things. And so we have to sow Know the Lord, be grounded in the truth and be the advocates that we are called to be for our children. So if we are facing someone in the medical field who is pressuring us that we run for the hills and get into the hands of other doctors, but also have a very kind, honest conversation saying you have no business telling any parent that you will do anything other than fight for those children. Do the best you can to protect them, help them to live, give your all. Suzanne, I saw a heartbreaking meme right up the other day on a secular pregnancy and infant loss social media channel that basically said termination for medical reasons is I made a hard decision so my child wouldn’t suffer. And there is this understanding that abortion in these kinds of complex prenatal diagnosis cases is relieving our child from suffering like some kind of mercy killing. Can you speak directly to that mama who’s like, I don’t want my baby to be in pain. What am I doing? Yes. This is what I would say to a mom, a dad in this kind of a situation. I would say, first of all, Remember the humanity of that child and how God made that child for a purpose. And I would also say there is this very strange dynamic. We would never say to a parent who had maybe a one or two year old that all of a sudden was diagnosed with cancer that was going to have to go through so much chemo and all these different things. We would never say, Oh, your child is going to suffer. Your child is going to have to go through so many rounds of chemo. So just end the child’s life right now. It’s a merciful thing to do. We would never say that. So there’s such a disconnect that somehow we are able to believe if we can’t see the child, if the child is inside the womb, that somehow we It is merciful to end that child’s life. But if you apply that to a child outside of the womb, where we would fight for that child, we would say no matter how many rounds of chemo, no matter what that child is going through, no matter what struggle they have, we will fight for them. We will make them comfortable. We will give them love. We all have struggles this side of eternity. The answer to our sufferings is not a death sentence. So there’s some kind of disconnect that we really have to stop and think. Why am I thinking this way? Would I think this way if my child was outside the womb? No, I wouldn’t. And even when hospice care is the right option or choice, that’s why there’s the beautiful perineal hospice providers that treat the hospice, which of course, though, has to be coupled with informed consent because there are conditions that many doctors label as lethal that are not actually lethal if intervention is performed and if parents are informed of that option. But nor should parents be required to do the most extraordinary care things possible to keep a child alive. But I think the point is that natural death is a far, far cry from an abortion of these precious lives. I think the enemy has done such a good job. I don’t usually say the enemy does a good job of anything. But I think the enemy has done such a good job of infiltrating our culture. And misusing, and we buy into this terminology like mercy and compassion. How can we ever think that it would be merciful or compassionate to say we’re going to end the life of a child? And that’s something that we were told. We were told, I mean, point blank, one of the doctors said, when I kept going back and forth, we will not abort, we will not abort. No, no, no. He said, you don’t understand, your child will have no quality of life. And I said, Our child will have an amazing quality of life. I didn’t know the gender at the time. So I said, because that baby will know the unconditional love of Jesus Christ. I think it is very scary and a very slippery slope when we start saying someone should be given a death sentence because of how I think their life will be. We all, this side of eternity, have struggles, can get horrible illnesses, have disabilities, all sorts of things. We have got to value the beauty of human life and fight for and protect human life and realize whatever the struggles might be, there is always hope. But the answer is never a death sentence. It is never merciful or compassion to say, I’m going to end my child’s life because they might have some struggles. And even so often, doctors are wrong. Rachel was in the NICU five and a half months. But she was prayed over. She was loved. Did she have struggles? Did she probably sometimes feel pain? Yes, we all do sometimes. But now here she is thriving, having a great life. I understand not every life ends that way. But here’s the thing. We’ve got to give everybody a chance at life. We are not God. We do not have the right to say, I decide when you live and I decide when you die. What we do is we say, here is a unique individual that God entrusted the mother and father with. Protect that child. Love that child. And one day at a time, Take it one day at a time. Nobody knows what the future holds. And these doctors play God, one, by acting like they can say who lives and who dies and by making some lives disposable. But also they play God by acting like they know what mercy is. They know what compassion is. Mercy and compassion mean fighting for, protecting, cherishing, no matter how long you have that child. Because I’ll tell you what. When parents fight for, protect, and cherish their children, there is a peace, there is a freedom, and there is a love, no matter how long that child does or doesn’t live, no matter if that child does have health issues or does not have health issues. I think the brutality of abortion is lost in these conversations sometimes, and it’s unfortunate because the thing is, Once there’s a prenatal diagnosis, people don’t understand there’s a difference between a screening test and a diagnostic test. Yes. Screenings are earlier and they just reveal an increased chance of a diagnosis, so they should not be taken as a diagnosis. Parents get confused about that. When a diagnosis does occur, if it is a little later in the pregnancy, people say, well, this is why we have to have abortion, late-term abortion. They don’t realize actually most women abort later for the same reasons they abort earlier, you know, life circumstances, poverty, et cetera, which we should all address those underlying issues rather than resort to abortion. But green needle diagnosis abortions do often happen later in the pregnancy, not the majority of late term abortions, but late nonetheless. And when an abortion is done in that case, sometimes it’s quite brutal tearing the child apart. Abortion is barbaric. And if you’re not tearing the child apart, sometimes you are poisoning the heart of the child so that it stops feeding before delivery. And sometimes if you’re not doing that, you just are delivering the child so early, maybe pre-viability or not intervening in any way and just watching the child die and maybe justifying saying, oh, I gave the parents some last moments with their 21 week baby that has a trisomy condition or something. And they think, oh, that was the merciful thing to do. So they didn’t have to continue the pregnancy. So that early induction type abortion is very poorly understood and I think is really robbing parents of time with their child. Absolutely. Some women have tried to justify that and say, well, look, then I was able to get pregnant again and I wouldn’t have the child I have if I hadn’t aborted. And that’s just no justification for an intervention that had the goal of resulting in a child’s death. Which is different than a circumstance where a mother’s life is at risk and a maternal fetal separation. Some people call that abortion, some people don’t, regardless of what you call it or don’t call it. There are circumstances where we have to intervene to save a mother’s life in pregnancy. We understand that. But the problem is when those real termination for medical reasons cases happen. I think it’s intentionally conflated because they don’t want you to think about the ethical differences and they maybe even want you to think about it. There’s a lot of different kinds of prenatal diagnosis, screening versus diagnostic, there’s disabilities, there’s treatable conditions, there’s fetal surgeries now, there’s life-limiting conditions, are very, very difficult and painful, but again, ending that child’s life is not the answer to bring your peace and comfort to the families. Yes, and Chaney, I want to add a few things. That’s so powerful how you said that. I want to say for anybody that’s listening, That abortion is never medically necessary. I know that’s a hard thing to understand, especially when you’re on the receiving end of doctors telling you, you know, so often the most devastating thing to any parent is to hear that their child might be suffering, that their child might have some sort of problem. So they’re in a very vulnerable position. Then the medical field has been trained that abortion, that ending the life of a child is an option. And what I want to say is even though those people went to medical school, they don’t care about your child. The child is entrusted to the parents for the parents to protect the child. They don’t often care about that child. And if they are saying to abort, then you can see they definitely do not care about that child. So it’s something so important for all parents to understand that abortion is never medically necessary. I think that gets confused because, yes, this is the problem with the definition of abortion. Because when people hear us say that, my concern, and I know Secular Pro-Life has shared this too, they’re not hearing what we need, which is the intentional killing of an unborn child. That’s it. That’s what we know we mean. But they’re hearing, you can’t intervene in an ectopic pregnancy. You can’t induce when a mom’s on death’s door. You can’t take into account the mom’s developing infection when you make a determination about a pre-viability induction. That’s not what we’re actually saying. And so again, I just, my heart breaks because in our society, we don’t even know how to have conversation because we all use different words. It’s just so hard. Chaney, that is so powerfully put. And I think we as pro-lifers, I believe it’s incumbent upon us to do a better job. And I love that you said this, Chaney, of explaining our terms. Because if we’re saying something, but somebody’s perceiving it or hearing it a different way, that is a game changer. So I love that you said that language matters and how we use that language matters. And I want to add this. Because just like in Rachel’s situation, I was running into danger. She was in danger. So what they did was an emergency C-section. Now, I was told there was a good chance she could die because she was so premature, one pound, two ounces, no amniotic fluid. But the bottom line is, if the mother’s life is truly at risk, It is safer for the mom to do an emergency C-section because they can have that baby out in a matter of minutes, whereas a late-term abortion Takes 24 to 48 hours. So even from a strictly medical point of view, if that mother’s life is truly that in danger, then you’re going to do an emergency C-section. You’re not going to say, hey, your life is in danger. We’re going to wait 24 to 48 hours to do this late term abortion. Pull it apart, dismemberment abortion thing. Of course you could do... You could do an induction, too, which, you know, in your case, they needed that quick, quick C-section. Some women, you could do an induction. And maybe it is appropriate to hold the baby, be with the baby if you’re not able to save the baby. But you fought and you tried and you wanted. You were like, you know what? Let’s do everything we can. I mean, how many weeks was she when she was born, little Rachel? First day of the 26th week. And Chaney... That’s what I think we need to bring back to our society. And this is what I think the medical field needs to return to. We’ve become such a culture of death that even our medical field tells parents the solution to their child’s health condition is death. And we have got to return to a society where we protect our most vulnerable and where parents see that they are in the driver’s seat, that it is their job to protect their child. It doesn’t matter the person sitting across from them, how famous of a hospital they’re at, what the reputation of the OBGYN office is. If they are being told your child has a problem and the only solution is death, those parents need to run for the hills, which is why I always say to parents, Before you even potentially find yourself in a tricky situation, seek out pro-life gynecologists. Seek out pro-life OBGYN. Navigating fetal concerns website. There’s way more resources out there. And we’ll link to some of them in the show notes. Telling Suzanne she’s got to fly to conferences to speak about them because it is so important that families realize we are not asking you to suffer alone. We are with you and we can acknowledge your suffering without pretending that abortion is the solution to your suffering. Chaney, I love that you said that because honestly, and I should have said this earlier when you said, what would I say to any parents out there? One, I would say never give up on your child. Never. Keep fighting. Fight all the way because there is such a peace in fighting for your child, such a peace in knowing you’re doing everything in your power and your child is worth it. Your child is so worth it. But also there’s so many support groups out there. Mary Kellett has a support group. Be not afraid. People like me, my daughter and I, You can always contact us. We will be with you for the long haul, even if you’re out of state. And we’ll find you somebody locally to journey with you as well. But you don’t have to walk through this by yourself. There are so many people that have been through this that would love to journey with you, that care, that understand. Not that anyone’s ever exactly in somebody’s shoes, but that care and have such compassion. No one ever regrets fighting for life. No one ever, ever regrets fighting for life. Death is never an answer. Death is never a solution. And death only leads to a whole other tragedy that needs to be dealt with. But when you protect that child that God gave you the same way you would if that child ran into trouble outside of the womb, God does something special. He does something really special. And again, I’m here to say, doctors don’t know. And to paint this picture, your child will suffer. Well, first of all, There’s no greater suffering than what happens to a child during abortion. But secondly, we all suffer this side of eternity. And if the logic was you shouldn’t be alive because you might have a life full of suffering, then we would knock out everybody on the planet because we all in different seasons of our life experience profound suffering, whether it’s something physical, emotional, whatever it might be. So we need to help the medical field and hold them accountable to start using their power and platform, as my Rachel always says, to fight for life and protect life. And parents need to know you don’t have to listen to what doctors say. You can tell them no, and you can get into the hands of doctors that will fight for and cherish your child. And Chaney, if I can just give a quick example, the first set of doctors that we were with that were pressuring, abort, abort, abort. Once they saw Rachel as disposable, they talked about her in very different terms. It goes back to what you were so powerfully saying about the language, how we name things, what we identify things as. All of a sudden they started naming her as a chromosomal abnormality, not compatible with life. They were dehumanizing her. They no longer talked about her as the valuable human being that she was. When we got into the hands of the other doctors. The one doctor who would come visit me every day, he would ask how I was doing. And he would always say, how’s your little darling doing today? Two completely different sets of language and language identifies the posture of our heart. What we name and identify something as tells where our heart attitude is. And these doctors had dehumanized her. So it was easy for them to say, kill her. And that is a terrifying thing. But these other doctors didn’t see her as a diagnosis. They saw her as a valuable human being who was- The first diagnosis is that you’re pregnant, as Robin Ferrucci said. It’s a child. Suzanne, as we shift to the last of the podcast here, I do want you to speak to your expertise, which is the church and the life issues. Because you, through your own personal story, have been led on this beautiful journey by God to be involved in so many life-affirming ministries. And now are just beginning the launch of your own nonprofit, Live Life Initiatives and Values. And Suzanne, this is a beautiful model. Of getting local pro-life activists and thought leaders and service oriented people, not just pregnancy centers, but also foster care and infant loss and abortion recovery, the spectrum of the whole pro-life safety net, as her plan calls it. With monthly meetings, with special themes and speakers, same time, same place, you say, that’s what makes it work. You’re now almost ready to spread that model to other areas. And what I love about the model, other than the fact that it’s a great blueprint for getting the church involved in life issues that’s so practical, is that it is relational, it is unifying, it is collaborative. And it also speaks to the love of pro-woman aspect of the pro-life movement because it’s not only about voting. Sometimes we have to talk about the important specific engagement. It’s not only about voting. Believing and teaching our children fetal development and the truth of life. It is those things, but it’s serving and caring for pregnant women, which you do directly through the ministry, in addition to inspiring attendees at the monthly meetings to do it in their own way, according to their other belongings. So I think when pastors are so afraid to talk about life issues, they’re afraid it’s going to feel... Disconnected from the real difficult experiences and sufferings of pregnant moms. And I feel like what live is, is a testimony to how untrue that truth is. Wow. Thank you. Can I just take this segment of the show, just you, and put that out there? I really do mean this, Chaney. You described my ministry better than I do. That was beautiful. You know, I will say this. I would love to say to every single pastor, church leader, when I say pastor, I mean priest, to also church leaders, Bible study teachers, I always say to them, because what you said is so true, there’s a loving concern side that they’re afraid they might open hurt wounds or something like that. So I really do have a respect and love that pastors a lot of times shy away Just because they genuinely care so much about people, they’re afraid this topic could wound. But it’s actually just the opposite. And that’s what I love to share when I am blessed to meet with different church leaders is let me put your fears to rest. And I love that you care so much about your body that you want to be careful how you use the platform you’ve been given. But it’s actually just the opposite. You have been entrusted with this incredible platform. To actually use this as a beautiful opportunity to share biblical truth that the Church of Jesus Christ is here to love you. Do you have an abortion experience? We can get you hope, help and healing, not only through Jesus Christ and his word, but through amazing organizations, so many fantastic post-abortion healing organizations. And so often these women and men go through this and they are leading the charge in the life movement. Do you know somebody who’s thinking about abortion? They think it’s okay because it’s legal. They bought into the lie because the culture is so loud with the lies. But we’re here to share truth from the pulpit to say abortion will wound you. It’s not the solution to your problem. So it’s actually a beautiful opportunity to share truth wrapped in hope. And compassion and exhortation and sharing. There is support out there. If you know a scared woman who is thinking about abortion, who feels backed into a corner and hopeless, there are people in this church that love her. And sometimes my experience has been with the women I meet outside the abortion clinic. They have this idea that the church is the most unsafe place. They think they’re going to judge me. They don’t care. So when our pulpits are vocal, that word gets out to the community that, This church loves pregnant moms in crisis. They want to walk with you. They want to journey with you. They see you. They love you. We’re all broken people. We all need the same Savior. And so I think it is such an incredible opportunity to show the people within the church and let the word get out on the outside to the community. Here is a place that sees and loves you. You are not a forgotten person. You are seen. You are loved. And the church is the place you can go to get real hope, real help, real friendship for people to journey with you. And then they will also refer you to amazing pregnancy resource centers and maternity homes. So it’s such a beautiful opportunity to be the beacon of Jesus’s love in this area. It’s not a condemning message. It’s just the opposite. Life is a message of hope. It is beautiful. What would you say to a pastor that says, okay, Suzanne, we support our local pregnancy centers. We know that that’s important, but we don’t want to use the A word in church. And why do we need another thing besides the pregnancy center banquet? Oh, that is a fantastic question. One, I would really encourage them to I would say, I understand the A word can feel intimidating. It’s heavy, it’s loaded, and it’s very weighty, but God calls pastors to preach the full counsel of God and the full counsel of God addresses the value of that baby in the womb, also addresses the value of that mother and father. And the reality is that pastors are not addressing what’s going on in the culture. Then people will get their information from Planned Parenthood, their friends. So if the church is silent on the proverbial A word, there are so many other places for them to go to get information that’s actually misinformation. So this should really be something that compels pastors to want to talk about what’s going on in the culture and make the biblical connections because the church’s voice should be the loudest voice on the abortion issue. And when the church is silent on the A word abortion, then Planned Parenthood’s voice is the loudest. And that is a devastating, devastating thing. So super. And about the Pregnancy Resource Center’s A lot of churches don’t realize, praise God, churches are fabulous to pregnancy resource centers. They donate to the Walk for Life. They go on the Walk for Life. They attend the banquets. But there is a bigger and greater opportunity. And I am not the only one saying this. There are many great ministries out here saying the same thing. God is raising up an army of people to say to the church that there’s an even deeper, more meaningful opportunity. For the church and the pregnancy center. And I would even add sidewalk counselors, all three. I believe it is the perfect trifecta. Well, the only perfect trifecta is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. I take that back. But it is a beautiful trifecta of three beautiful ministries, sidewalk outreach, pregnancy centers. Loving sidewalk outreach for people that don’t understand. Yes, there are some. It’s not. It’s not. You’re a murderer and here’s a bloody baby sign. How can we help you? We have nothing to do with those people. But coming together and just like what our live model is doing, we refer to the Pregnancy Resource Center. The Pregnancy Resource Center refers women to us because women are protected by HIPAA, praise God, at the Pregnancy Resource Center. So very private. So there are certain things the Pregnancy Resource Center can’t do by the fact that they protect the women’s privacy. But if they have a special form that the women can sign, hi, yes, you can give my information to Suzanne with LIV or whatever the organization might be. It’s a chance for the church to go deeper because then the pregnancy center can refer moms to us and we can take them to coffee. We can develop a friendship. We can invite them to church. We can invite them to Bible study. Some women love it. And we’ve had stories of saving faith. Some women say it’s not for me, at least yet. But it’s an opportunity for women to see that the church and the pregnancy center really can have this beautiful symbiotic relationship. And it’s so important for the churches to see that there’s a deeper relationship possible with the pregnancy resource centers that goes far beyond. And praise God for the banquets they give to and walk for life. But there is so much more available if they are are diving into that opportunity to serve women where the Pregnancy Resource Center can’t, the church can, and vice versa. And you have such a great relationship with pregnancy centers in your area, and they refer to you, and you refer to them, and you know what each can help with. Oh, I wish I could keep you forever, but you just have to say a small word about transportation because you know that is a big gap that people don’t realize. It’s a gap in the program of safety net transportation for moms. Oh, my goodness, Chaney, it is. I will say our live group has donated several cars to moms. Now, I will say this. We recently stopped doing that because we’re such a small group. That we realized until we grow more and can buy cars that maybe are more new, we would purchase used cars, which have been a blessing, huge blessing. And we would always purchase used cars. But we really want to set these moms up for success so much that we have taken a little break in the donating of cars until we can get enough funds to buy cars that are maybe only a few years old. There’s maintenance issues, yeah. The maintenance issues, exactly. But where we can, we give away Uber gift cards and things like that to help the moms. And once we’ve developed a friendship relationship, a lot of times, you know, we’ll go pick up moms if we need to. But transportation is definitely an issue. And our hope and prayer is one day to be able to return to So please pray over that need. Well, here we are at our last... Question of every podcast, which is the same for every guest, how do we cultivate a sense of home in our disconnected culture? Chaney, can I say you do that so beautifully. And that question shows your heart for the Lord because that is the Lord’s heart is to create that in our culture. And honestly, I believe we do it by getting together with people. Reaching out to people saying, can I take you to coffee? Can I take you to lunch? That’s one of the reasons I started my monthly meetings. There’s many reasons I felt like God, I don’t even want to say I, because I am just the broken, surrendered vessel, but I really believe these are things that line up with scripture that God said, convene, get together, make spaces for people to connect. And that’s one of the reasons we do our monthly live meetings, because we are making a space where at least once a month, people know that if they are interested, there’s someplace that they can go to encounter the love of Jesus, make new friendships. There is never any charge ever. No money has exchanged nothing. This is about coming together. And this is one of my passions that I’m always saying to people, even if only two or three people come to your meetings at first place, Make spaces for people to come together of different denominations, of different, it doesn’t matter. Just make spaces for people to come together. Pray over it. Pray that God would be present, that nobody feels left alone, that nobody feels overlooked, that everybody feels seen, heard, and loved. And I think if we do more of that, getting outside of ourselves, not being afraid about how many do or don’t show up, but opening up our homes and opening up our churches to people in the community and beyond, not just, the church is not meant to be a social club. The church is meant to get out there, open the doors and bring people together. And that’s how I think we do that. Okay. Your meetings are such a good example of cultivating a sense of home in a disconnected culture. In-person events are pretty rare these days, and you’ve done a great job with yours. Thank you, Suzanne. We will put the link to the website and the show notes and any other resources that you send away. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, dear friend. What a privilege. Love you, my friend. 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   13 Sept 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 5): Kathyrn Jean Lopez of National Review - Pro-Life After Dobbs

   Thank you for tuning in! This podcast if offered free of charge to help spread life-affirming messages. Please share it with a friend and consider supporting Toward Home LLC by upgrading Substack of making a gift on Venmo (https://venmo.com/u/towardhome), or Stripe (https://buy.stripe.com/7sYaEWeHp16ng2H48IdAk01). Links: * https://www.nationalreview.com/author/kathryn-jean-lopez/ * https://x.com/kathrynlopez/ Get full access to Toward Home at towardhome.substack.com/subscribe (https://towardhome.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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   30 Aug 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 4): Rachel Guy - Prenatal Diagnosis

   Abortion Recovery after Prenatal Diagnosis: * Natty’s Pond (https://www.jennyfoster.org/about-nattyspond) Book (Prenatal Diagnosis Termination for Medical Reasons) * Entering Canaan Adverse Diagnosis Retreat (https://www.enteringcanaan.com/adverse-diagnosis) (Prenatal Diagnosis Termination for Medical Reasons) Prenatal Diagnosis Help: * Be Not Afraid (https://www.benotafraid.net/) & PrenatalDiagnosis.org (https://prenataldiagnosis.org/) * Mama Bear Care (https://mamabearcare.org/) * Prenatal Partners for Life (https://prenatalpartnersforlife.org/) * Navigating Fetal Concerns (https://fetalconcerns.com/about?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23924362248&gbraid=0AAAABDyF1D7tJdAZ7TBldv8nYv1tplA73&gclid=CjwKCAjwpK3SBhASEiwAtV1SPJbPZ3A_Tjd8zyQLvEWVBZ8Jt5P5kJfimH4KkzngV56rJyMQktwdyRoCP5gQAvD_BwE) * Hope Story (Down syndrome specific) (https://hopestory.org/) * Lifeline Special Needs Adoption (https://lifelinechild.org/special-needs-adoption/) (option of placing for adoption if the family feel they don’t have the capacity to care for the baby themselves) Get full access to Toward Home at towardhome.substack.com/subscribe (https://towardhome.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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   23 Aug 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 3): Virginia Madden, LPC - Lindsay Clancy

   A CLARIFICATION: Virginia realized that there is another situation that she forgot to mention where a person can be involuntarily committed: If a medical/mental health professional has evidence that a person poses *imminent* danger to self or others (e.g., active psychosis in which the person is becoming aggressive) the person can be involuntarily committed even if they don't have a "plan" or "intention" to hurt self or others. Follow Virginia: * https://find.catholictherapists.com/virginia-madden-ma-lcpc * https://x.com/vadmadden Links: * Pregnancy and Parenting chatline https://americanpregnancy.org/ * Find a Therapist/Coach/Minister/Mental Health Professional * (life-affirming mental health) https://directory.herplan.org/provider-search?categories=6246cff1cbec72bd7cdb4415 * https://christiancareconnect.com/ * https://mycounselor.online/ * https://www.focusonthefamily.com/get-help/counseling-services-and-referrals/ * https://catholictherapists.com/ * https://catholicpsych.com/ * https://mycatholicdoctor.com/catholic-mental-health/ * *Actually good* mental health instagrams * https://www.instagram.com/alphaomegaclinic/ (https://www.instagram.com/alphaomegaclinic/) * https://www.instagram.com/triacordacounseling/ (https://www.instagram.com/triacordacounseling/) * Find Community * https://beaconpostpartum.com/ App * https://www.ablemoms.org/ * https://www.themom.co/home Secular Links: * https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/helplines/national-helpline * https://postpartum.net/ (Note: Not pro-life) * Suicide Hotline https://988lifeline.org/ * National Maternal Mental Health Hotline https://mchb.hrsa.gov/programs-impact/national-maternal-mental-health-hotline (https://mchb.hrsa.gov/programs-impact/national-maternal-mental-health-hotline) Get full access to Toward Home at towardhome.substack.com/subscribe (https://towardhome.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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   16 Aug 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 2): Jacqui Jackson of Ignite Hope - Preborn to Permanency

   Links: * https://www.ignite-hope.org/aboutus Get full access to Toward Home at towardhome.substack.com/subscribe (https://towardhome.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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   2 Aug 2026

   Chaney for Change Podcast (Episode 1): Jane Hampton Cook - America 250

   Author and Historian Jane Hampton Cook joins the podcast to talk America 250, AI Advantages, Motherhood & Careers, Positive Patriotism, and More. Get full access to Toward Home at towardhome.substack.com/subscribe (https://towardhome.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4)

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