Change Makers is a global Thomson Reuters Asia and Emerging Markets initiative that brings together industry leaders committed to improving diversity and inclusion in the legal profession. And we want your commitment too! Join us on our Change Makers journey as we interview a range of legal industry Thought Leaders who are challenging the status quo. #TRChangeMakers
Change Makers Podcast
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Change Makers is a global Thomson Reuters Asia and Emerging Markets initiative that brings together industry leaders committed to improving diversity and inclusion in the legal profession. And we want your commitment too! Join us on our Change Makers journey as we interview a range of legal industry Thought Leaders who are challenging the status quo. #TRChangeMakers
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August 26, 2020
Non-Binary People's Day
<h1>Change Makers Podcast Episode 8: Non-Binary People's Day </h1><p>On this episode of the Change Makers podcast we are celebrating International Non-Binary People’s Day with a discussion between two gender diverse legal professionals and Amila Perera, a Legal Editor at Thomson Reuters. This conversation will give you the opportunity to understand non-binary identities, particularly within the workplace and the legal profession. </p><p>International Non-Binary People’s Day is celebrated on 14 July each year. The date was chosen because 14 July is the midpoint between International Women’s Day and International Men’s Day. </p><p>Amila sat down in Sydney with Frankie Sullivan, a NSW Legal Aid lawyer, and Joseph Black, a Juris Doctor Student at the University of Sydney, to discuss their experiences of being non-binary members of the legal profession. </p><p>Frankie prefers to be referred to using singular ‘they’ pronouns, while Joseph prefers either ‘she’, ‘he’ or ‘they’ pronouns. </p><h2>Podcast show notes </h2><p><br></p><p>In conversation, Frankie and Joseph discussed the impact of the case Norrie v Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages, which was a case that allowed for Norrie mAy Welby to have their sex registration marked as ‘non-specific’. As Frankie noted, ‘it's a pretty big deal to have the highest court in this country endorsing [the idea that] gender is something that's beyond the binary’. However, although this case represented a significant step in legal recognition of non-binary identities, there is still a long way to go in really recognising sex and gender as two distinct parts of a person’s identity. As Frankie explained: </p><p>“To have that non-specific marker on your identity documents, you still need to have some sort of affirmation surgery, which is, again, quite restrictive and quite limiting for various reasons. So even though it's recognised, I think it's hard to actually get that lawful status. You need to … check a whole bunch of boxes, at least in New South Wales in order to be entitled to that nonspecific gender marker.” </p><p>The conversation highlighted how important it is for law and policy recognition of gender diversity to be reflected in day to day experiences. In discussing the kinds of things that help them to feel comfortable with their gender identity in professional spaces, both Frankie and Joseph emphasised the value of others being receptive and respectful of their gender expression. </p><p>Joseph has become more comfortable with expressing their identity in the ways they would like, in part, because they have been able to situate themself within a supportive community that clearly signals inclusivity. </p><p>“Incorporating these symbols that indicate this is a safe space can help indicate to me that this is a safe environment that's inclusive and work and feel comfortable. I think things like this event celebrating international non binary day could be helpful and appreciated.” </p><p>For Frankie, navigating court appearances as a young lawyer has meant that they announce themself in court using the title ‘Mx’, rather than ‘Mr’ or ‘Ms’. Frankie spoke about being pleasantly surprised by how easily their preferred title was adopted by fellow lawyers and judges. “[It’s] obviously a little bit tricky, and it's been a bit awkward at times. But there's just been a real willingness from the people I work with and within the courts to try and … that’s been a really positive thing.” </p><p>Enjoyed the insights from today’s podcast? Add <a href="https://insight.thomsonreuters.com.au/legal/resources/resource/change-makers-podcast-episode-7-active-allyship" rel="noopener noreferrer"...
June 12, 2020
Active Allyship
<p>Change Makers Podcast Episode 7: Active Allyship</p><p>June marks the month of pride, honouring the 1969 Stonewall Uprising in Manhattan, a significant event which paved the way for the Gay Liberation Movement in the United States. To help celebrate Pride Month 2020, Thomson Reuters has dropped episode seven of the Change Makers Podcast, ‘Active Allyship’. </p><p>For a conversation on being an active ally in the workplace and encouraging other firms to follow suit, there was one person our podcast host could not look past. Catherine Roberts, Strategic Global Client Director, Thomson Reuters Asia and Emerging Markets, was pleased to invite an advocate of active allyship and colleague, Rob Head, Hong Kong-based Director of Proposition Core Law, Thomson Reuters, Asia & Emerging Markets to speak on the program.</p><p>Rob is a vocal supporter of D&I (diversity and inclusion) initiatives in the Asia region and has helped drive Thomson Reuters’ workplace equality index up during his time at the company. Not only does Rob regularly speak on panels to raise awareness for the LGBT+ community, he is the proud recipient of numerous industry awards. Last year, Rob was granted the <a href="https://www.communitybusiness.org/programmes-campaigns/2019-hong-kong-lgbt-inclusion-awards-winners" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">2019 Hong Kong LGBT+ Inclusion Champion Award</a> and a <a href="https://outstanding.involvepeople.org/50-lgbt-future-leaders-2019/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">2019 OUTstanding LGBT+ Future Leader lis</a>ting. </p><p>Outside of this, Rob has also hosted Stonewall’s Global Workplace Briefings Launch, authored the ‘Road to Gold’ Strategy driving achievement of Gold in Hong Kong’s LGBT+ Inclusion Index and continues to champion Hong Kong’s Gay & Lesbian Attorney’s Network, showcasing his drive to increase discourse and create change for LGBT+ people in Hong Kong and beyond. Rob doesn’t limit his allyship to those in LGBT+ communities, but instead looks to foster inclusivity of all individuals. For example:</p><p>“I often reference gender equality at the same time [as LGBT+ matters], because I think it's very important whenever you're trying to push one agenda in this space to make sure that people realise it's not at the expense of others, but it's to support all people at the same time.”</p><p>Continue reading for a recap of the episode, which looks at converting passive support into active allyship, particularly in the context of the Asia Pacific region’s legal profession. </p><p>Podcast show notes</p><p>Bringing your ‘whole self’ to work</p><p>To begin, Catherine asked Rob why D&I is important to him and the reason behind his unwavering support for it. Rob’s answer was holistic. For him, D&I functions to enable all people from everywhere, across Thomson Reuters as an organisation and its client base. This is regardless of your culture, nationality, race, age, gender, sexual orientation, or your physical ability. </p><p>“It’s about working in an organisation which has a culture that fosters an ability for everybody to bring their whole self to work, and something that fosters creativity through enabling people with different talents, different ideas, and different capabilities to bring everything that they have to the table,” added Rob. </p><p>But bringing your ‘whole self’ to work is easier said than done. As Rob explains, there are things that get in the way for LGBT+ individuals, that hinder their ability to feel comfortable in the workplace. </p><p>“One thing that people often forget, is that as an LGBT+ person, you don't just come out once, you actually come out to every person you meet for the first time. And you have to judge whether that's a safe space, a safe individual to do that with. So one of the things I would always encourage people to think about when they're talking to people that they're meeting for...
March 3, 2020
Lawyer Mums Australia
<p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">It is International Womens Day on 8 March 2020, a day in which the legal profession will be reflecting on how far away the industry is from achieving gender equality. To reach such a goal, law firms and organisations may be prompted to discuss pay equity, gender quotas, to the </span><a href="https://insight.thomsonreuters.com.au/posts/international-bar-association-survey-data-exposes-bullying-and-harassment-in-legal-profession" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">bullying and harassment of women</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> that has been identified as an industry-specific problem. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">For episode six of the Thomson Reuters Change Makers Podcast, we invited Anthea McIntyre, owner and Director of McIntyre Legal to join us in the studio. We consider Anthea as a Change Maker and advocate for women in the law, because in addition to running a successful boutique law firm specialising in all areas of wills and estates, she is known for founding </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/LawyerMumsAustralia/" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Lawyer Mums Australia</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">, the Facebook forum for Australian lawyer mothers. Boasting 2,762 members and counting, the group offers a safe space for participants to connect with each other about their day-to-day experiences in the profession and as mothers. Anthea’s group is supported by Sharna Clemmett, a Sydney-based Barrister who is administering the Facebook group. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Anthea McIntyre has carved out a significant online community that is well-loved by those who are part of it, including our very own Head of Commercial and In-House at Practical Law, Tyrilly Csillag. Tyrilly counts herself as a women lawyer who has reaped the benefits of Lawyer Mums Australia and joined Catherine Roberts, our regular host of the Change Makers Podcast on the program.</span></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Lawyer Mums Australia was born out of Anthea's experience as a first time Mum and feeling isolated and lonely on 14 July, 2014. At this point in her life, she had a one-year-old and two-year-old and, yet while she loved being a mother, Anthea was missing the mental stimulation of being a corporate lawyer. She was yearning to get back into the legal workforce but couldn’t bring herself to put her little ones into daycare five days a week, because the ‘mother guilt’ was all too real. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Anthea plugged ‘lawyer mums’ into Google and the search results were dire. An online formal support group for lawyer mums to connect with each other over their careers simply didn’t exist. So during the lunchtime hour that her babies were sleeping, she set up Lawyer Mums Australia on Facebook and invited three friends. The community grew to 200 in a week and the rest, as they say, is history. </span></p><p><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">“We are a mixture of solicitors, Barristers, in-house counsel, legal consultants, we have </span><a href="https://insight.thomsonreuters.com.au/resources/resource/change-makers-podcast-episode-5-a-push-for-gender-equality-at-the-bar" target="_blank" style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(17, 85, 204);">Senior Counsel like Jane Needham who was recently on this program</a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">...women who are on maternity leave and just want to still feel connected to the legal community. And Gee, I wish I had access to a group like this when I was on...
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