The ๐๐จ๐ ๐๐ก side of orchestras and classical music. In early 2026 weโre relaunching the podcast to explore what helps people and culture thrive and where systems, hierarchy and tension get in the way.
We'll uncover the dynamics that shape collaboration, communication, well-being and performance in classical music.
Ingrid and Susan are both outsiders and insiders in classical music. Ingrid is a professional conductor who used to be an emergency doctor. Susan is a trainer and consultant who founded a multi-million dollar tech company. Between them, they know what supports people to be their best at work.
Check out the back catalogue of 5 seasons featuring conversations with classical musicians about feelings (YES!), finding their value and career transitions. Meet professional classical musicians now thriving as entrepreneurs, master craftsmen, counsellors, personal trainers, software developers, lawyers and more. We need to NORMALISE the reality of underemployment, unemployment, career pivots and exits for classical musicians.
Ingrid and Susan are taking a break from the podcast over the summer of 2026. They want to know what you want to hear in the next season. Check the show notes for a link to suggest a topic.
7 Jun 2026
Bridging the Gap Across the Aisle
In this episode, Ingrid and Susan unpack Ingrid's perspective of organisation dynamics within an orchestra, from her point of view as assistant conductor. This role bridges the gap between playing and non-playing staff in an orchestra, and experiences the benefits and challenges of this border zone. This week, Ingrid draws out the commonalities between these two main parts of an orchestra, and lays out a way of engaging with both parts that makes the most of their connection and interdependence.
๐ We need a wide bridge between performers and non-performers โ the more people who know whatโs going on in both parts, the better our organisations will function and the healthier our people will be.
๐ ๏ธ There are lots of jobs that need doing in an orchestra โ and many of them are invisible. The more visible we can make every role, the better we can function as a unified team.
๐We need to learn to listen without judgement, to learn about the varied experiences of the people around us. This is not natural for many of us who have spent years learning to listen with judgement in musical contexts.
For more on seeing each othersโ perspective, have a listen back to episode four of this season!
LINKS
Find Ingrid at Ingrid Martin (http://www.ingridmartin.com/) and Conducting Artistry (http://www.conductingartistry.com/)
Find Susan at Notable Values (http://www.notablevalues.com/)
PODCAST TEAM
Production support and audio engineering by Thomas Grayden
Theme music composed by QiQi (https://www.qiqimusic.com.au/)
Theme music performed by QiQi (https://www.qiqimusic.com.au/) and Darby Lee (https://www.linkedin.com/in/darby-lee-1a153724b/?originalSubdomain=au)
LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
This podcast was recorded on Waawiiyaataanong Country and produced on Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung Country. We pay our respects to Elders past and present, and acknowledge the ongoing impacts of colonisation on Indigenous communities.
24 May 2026
"Artistic Excellence" โ What Are We Really Saying?
We hear and use the phrase โartistic excellenceโ in so many ways โ a justification for decisions, a way of talking about the status quo, a slur against those we disagree with. But what actually is it? In this episode, Susan and Ingrid deconstruct the idea of artistic excellence, from Susanโs perspective of relational health in an organisation, and Ingridโs position of music making. They decipher what we mean when we say this phrase, and how we can use it intentionally to give the message we really mean to give.
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