The Chaos Coordinator Podcast is where family child care meets advocacy, laughter, and real talk. Hosted by Ms. Tessie — a family child care educator, advocate, and podcaster — the show blends grassroots storytelling with bold conversations about the child care system. Each episode offers humor, history, and heartfelt perspective on the joys and challenges of family child care, while spotlighting the voices of educators and the power of collective advocacy. Whether you’re here for encouragement, community, or a good laugh about the everyday chaos of the field, this podcast is your space to learn, connect, and be reminded that you are not alone in this work.
The Lie that Measuring Quality is About Compliance
“Quality is about compliance.”
That’s the lie.
In this episode, we unpack how checklists, ratings, and systems became the measure of quality—and what gets lost when relationships and real learning are pushed aside.
30 Mar 2026
The Lie that One Curriculum Fits All
“One curriculum fits all.”
That’s the lie.
In this episode, we break down how this idea took hold in early childhood—and why it’s failing both educators and children.
Because real learning was never meant to be scripted.
23 Feb 2026
The Lie: Center Care Is Better Than Family Child Care
In this episode of At Its Roots, we examine the long-standing belief that center care is automatically better than family child care.
Where did that idea come from?
We trace the history of early childhood education — from village-based care to licensing, regulation, and funding structures — to understand how perception, policy, and access shaped a hierarchy within the field. While both centers and family child care programs serve children and families in important ways, history reveals how one model became more visible, more funded, and often more trusted.
Is one setting truly better — or have we internalized a system that was built long before us?
26 Jan 2026
Last Week in Child Care Policy 101
Child Care Policy 101 is a short-form policy series created in real time to help educators, families, and advocates understand how child care systems actually function, especially when funding, fraud narratives, and public panic collide.
Recorded during a week of rapid policy shifts and misinformation, this series breaks down:
how oversight and accountability already exist in child care systems
how fraud narratives are constructed and weaponized
how propaganda shapes public opinion and policy decisions
and who is harmed when identity, fear, and politics replace evidence
This is not commentary for clicks.
It is policy literacy grounded in lived experience, critical thinking, and care for the communities most impacted by these decisions.
Child Care Policy 101 is part of the Chaos & Clarity framework under Perfect Start Consulting thought leadership focused on education, policy, and advocacy and is presented by Chaos Coordinators.
If you work in early childhood education, rely on child care, or want to better understand how policy narratives are built and used, this series is for you.
18 Sept 2025
Tangled Branches
The roots of child care are tangled with race, equity, and resilience. From redlining to Sesame Street, from community programs to the Black Panthers’ Head Start — this episode uncovers the stories that shaped our field.
10 Sept 2025
Tangled Branches Part 1
Tangled Branches traces how systemic racism and policy failures shaped early education in America — and how communities refused to be erased.
From redlining maps that created child care deserts, to the “Welfare Queen” myth that stripped away support for working mothers, we uncover how bias was built into the system. But we also highlight the resistance: PBS and Sesame Street opening doors to learning, and the Black Panthers building schools, clinics, and breakfast programs when no one else would.
This episode is about more than what failed. It’s about the power of advocacy, dignity, and community to create light where the system left darkness.
26 Aug 2025
Shallow Soil Part 2 Panel
In Part 2: Shallow Soil, we dig into the World War II era—when the government opened nurseries to support white women entering the workforce, while Black women and other women of color were excluded from policy decisions. We explore how licensing systems grew from this moment, prioritizing centers and leaving family child care homes invisible until the 1970s and 80s. The episode uncovers how racism and exclusion shaped who received access to care and whose labor was taken for granted, setting up inequities that still define child care today. Our panelists reflect on how these shallow roots of policy continue to impact families, educators, and the fight for equity in early education.
19 Aug 2025
Shallow Soil Part 1
During World War II, the U.S. planted the seeds of universal child care through the Lanham Act — only to rip them up once men returned from war. In this episode, we trace how shallow commitments to child care exposed deep inequities. From federally funded centers that vanished overnight, to the boarding school era that stripped Native families of culture, to licensing systems rooted in exclusion — we uncover how racism and sexism shaped who was trusted to care for children.
We ask: Who is deemed worthy of support? Whose labor is valued?
Featuring direct quotes from Franklin Roosevelt’s mayor Fiorello LaGuardia and reformer Catharine Beecher, we connect history to today’s reality: women of color, who do the bulk of early education work, are still paid the least. And yet, as Ai-jen Poo reminds us, “Care work makes all other work possible.”
This is the story of soil too shallow to sustain roots — and the urgent need to rebuild a foundation where equity, justice, and respect for care can grow.
19 Aug 2025
Split Roots Panel Episode 1 Part 2
In this panel conversation, we go beyond the history and bring the lived experiences of today’s educators into focus. Joining me is a diverse group of voices — including a male child development educator and founder of Baby Step — as we dig into the bias, inequities, and resilience in the early childhood field.
We talk about what it means to be a man in a field overwhelmingly defined as “women’s work,” and how women of color are too often denied the title of “teacher” despite carrying the bulk of the labor and expertise. Together, we connect the historical roots of exclusion to the present day, showing how these biases still shape who is valued, who gets paid, and who gets overlooked.
This isn’t just a panel — it’s a call to see the humanity and professionalism of all educators, across gender and race, and to imagine what an equitable early childhood system could look like if we truly invested in it.
13 Aug 2025
At Its Roots- Split Roots Part 1
The story of child care in America begins with deep divides. From Black women forced to work while separated from their children to the weight of Jim Crow laws, Split Roots uncovers how inequality was built into the system—and why those roots still shape child care today.
24 Dec 2024
Butt, Where are your pants?!
Humor infused talk about potty training partnership with parents and what it looks like in an ECE Program.
20 Jun 2024
A Day Without Childcare
We have Guest Emma Biggs on speaking about childcare and what it looks like when the system doesn't value the work we do for families, children and the community.
14 Apr 2024
The State of Childcare in the U.S.
Childcare Educators gather for Coffee on a Saturday morning to discuss the state of childcare in the United States. Families and children deserve access to high-quality educators and environments. We discuss if the changes happening across the U.S. are beneficial. Special Guests: Emma Biggs and Rebecca Grastly.
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