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China Desk is a nonpartisan podcast exploring the critical issues shaping the U.S.–China relationship. Hosted by Steve Yates, former White House national security advisor and president of Radio Free Asia, the show features leading experts, authors, and officials discussing the challenges and opportunities posed by China’s rise. Contact us or recommend a guest at: chinadesk@thefederalnewswire.com
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May 19, 2026
<p>What should the United States realistically expect from high-level diplomacy with China — and where are the real risks in the relationship?</p> <p>In this episode of <strong>The China Desk</strong>, host Steve Yates is joined by <strong>Andrew Harding</strong>, Policy Analyst for National Security and Indo-Pacific Affairs at The Heritage Foundation, for a detailed breakdown of President Trump’s recent summit with Xi Jinping and the broader future of U.S.-China relations.</p> <p>Harding explains how the Heritage Foundation developed a framework for evaluating the summit — identifying what would constitute favorable outcomes for the United States, what risks to avoid, and how to think strategically about long-term competition with China.</p> <p>The discussion explores how the summit ultimately functioned less as a transformational moment and more as a “maintenance check” on an increasingly competitive relationship between Washington and Beijing.</p> <p>Major topics include:<br> • Expectations surrounding the Trump–Xi summit<br> • Favorable vs unfavorable outcomes for U.S. policy<br> • Rare earths, export controls, and AI competition<br> • Why advanced semiconductor restrictions matter<br> • China’s role in fentanyl trafficking and leverage<br> • Taiwan and concerns over shifting U.S. policy language<br> • Agricultural trade and strategic economic competition<br> • China’s support for Iran and geopolitical implications<br> • Human rights concerns, including Jimmy Lai and religious persecution<br> • Why the U.S.–China relationship remains structurally competitive<br> • The future of AI rivalry between Washington and Beijing<br> • Strategic dependencies and supply chain vulnerabilities</p> <p>The episode also dives into Harding’s earlier work on the Pacific Islands and the Compacts of Free Association (COFA), highlighting why the region has become increasingly important in the context of U.S.-China competition.</p> <p>Additional topics include:<br> • Chinese influence operations in the Pacific Islands<br> • Why Palau, Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands matter strategically<br> • Heritage Foundation’s role in supporting COFA renewal efforts<br> • The “Pacific Pivot” strategy for long-term U.S. engagement</p> <p>A major takeaway from the conversation is that future U.S.-China engagement should focus on protecting American strategic advantages — especially in AI, advanced technology, and national security — while avoiding concessions that weaken U.S. leverage.</p> <p>The episode closes with a broader discussion on what to watch for ahead of a possible future Xi visit to the United States and why export controls and AI competition may become the defining issue of the next phase of U.S.-China relations.</p> <p>00:00 — Intro + Andrew Harding joins<br> 02:08 — From Russia to China policy work<br> 06:21 — Pacific Islands strategy and COFA agreements<br> 10:14 — Heritage’s “Pacific Pivot” strategy<br> 11:16 — Expectations for the Trump–Xi summit<br> 13:53 — Favorable outcomes for the U.S.<br> 16:19 — Unfavorable outcomes and red lines<br> 19:09 — Did the summit accomplish anything?<br> 22:06 — Engagement vs strategic competition<br> 27:07 — Preparing for a future Xi visit to the U.S.<br> 32:19 — What to watch next: AI and export controls<br> 35:23 — Final thoughts + closing</p> <p><p>Watch Full-Length Interviews: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaDeskFNW</p></p>
May 12, 2026
<p>What happens when someone raised inside China’s education system begins questioning everything they were taught?</p> <p>In this episode of <strong>The China Desk</strong>, host Steve Yates sits down with independent China analyst and journalist <strong>Terence Shen</strong> for a wide-ranging discussion on CCP propaganda, Chinese political culture, Taiwan, and the future trajectory of the People’s Republic of China.</p> <p>Born and raised in Beijing, Shen describes how studying abroad in Canada first exposed him to historical narratives and political realities that sharply contradicted what he learned in Chinese schools. That experience ultimately transformed him from a former pro-regime voice into one of the most prominent Mandarin-language critics of the Chinese Communist Party online.</p> <p>The conversation traces Shen’s journey from Beijing to Hong Kong and eventually Toronto, where repeated censorship and account bans pushed him to launch a YouTube platform that now reaches more than one million subscribers worldwide — including audiences inside China using VPNs to bypass censorship.</p> <p>A major theme of the episode is the distinction between <strong>Xi Jinping as an individual leader</strong> and the deeper structural realities of the CCP system itself.</p> <p>The discussion covers:<br> • Why many Chinese citizens still seek uncensored information<br> • How censorship shapes public understanding inside China<br> • Xi Jinping vs the broader CCP system<br> • The long-term effects of authoritarian political culture<br> • Why Shen believes modern China functions more like an empire than a nation-state<br> • The historical roots of Chinese centralization and control<br> • Why Taiwan and Hong Kong are central to CCP legitimacy<br> • China’s demographic decline and economic vulnerabilities<br> • The “lying flat” movement among younger Chinese citizens<br> • Why youth hopelessness threatens the CCP’s economic model<br> • China’s dependence on foreign capital, technology, and supply chains<br> • Structural weaknesses in China’s military and innovation system</p> <p>The episode also explores the CCP’s narrative of “national rejuvenation” and how the regime ties its legitimacy to restoring China’s historical greatness — even as internal pressures continue to mount.</p> <p>On Taiwan, Shen explains why many Taiwanese audiences increasingly worry less about direct invasion and more about internal political influence operations, propaganda, and efforts to weaken Taiwan from within.</p> <p>The takeaway is clear: understanding modern China requires looking beyond headlines and individual leaders to the deeper political, historical, and cultural systems driving the CCP’s behavior.</p> <p>00:00 — Intro + Terence Shen joins<br> 01:21 — Growing up in Beijing under CCP education<br> 04:15 — Hong Kong journalism and censorship<br> 07:13 — Leaving China and building a YouTube platform<br> 08:50 — Chinese audiences seeking uncensored information<br> 11:09 — Xi Jinping vs the CCP system<br> 16:14 — CCP propaganda and political culture<br> 20:08 — China as an empire vs nation-state<br> 25:42 — The “lying flat” movement explained<br> 30:03 — China’s economic and military vulnerabilities<br> 34:41 — “National rejuvenation” and CCP legitimacy<br> 35:18 — Taiwan, political warfare, and internal influence<br> 39:08 — Pushback from pro-CCP audiences<br> 40:50 — Where to follow Terence Shen + closing</p> <p><p>Watch Full-Length Interviews: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaDeskFNW</p></p>
May 5, 2026
<p>After 100 episodes, what has the China Desk revealed about the Chinese Communist Party, U.S. strategy, and the future of global competition?</p> <p>In this special milestone edition of <strong>The China Desk</strong>, the roles are reversed. Host <strong>Steve Yates</strong> becomes the guest, while <strong>Andrew Langer</strong>, host of the Lunch Hour Podcast, steps in to lead the conversation — reflecting on the biggest lessons, themes, and takeaways from the first 100 episodes.</p> <p>Since launching in 2023, China Desk has featured conversations with policymakers, analysts, and subject matter experts across the spectrum of U.S.-China relations. In this episode, Yates steps back to examine what those discussions reveal about where the relationship stands today — and where it is headed.</p> <p>A major theme is the idea of <strong>reciprocity</strong> — a principle that has shaped many China Desk conversations. Yates explains why the U.S. should rethink policies that grant China access and advantages not reciprocated in return, and how this concept is beginning to influence broader trade and geopolitical thinking.</p> <p>The discussion also covers:<br> • What Steve Yates has learned from 100 episodes of China Desk<br> • Why listening — not talking — is key to meaningful policy conversations<br> • The origins and impact of the U.S. “engagement” strategy with China<br> • Why the “China will become like us” assumption failed<br> • How CCP power structures shape behavior at home and abroad<br> • The concept of reciprocity in trade, policy, and diplomacy<br> • How China’s system differs fundamentally from Western governance<br> • The evolving U.S.–China strategic and economic relationship<br> • The role of China in global conflicts, including Iran and Ukraine<br> • The complex relationship between China, Russia, and authoritarian regimes<br> • Why authoritarian systems can endure despite internal weaknesses<br> • How economic growth reinforced CCP control over the population</p> <p>The conversation also explores the human dimension of China policy — including how decades of political control, economic transformation, and social upheaval have shaped the Chinese population’s relationship with the state.</p> <p>Looking forward, Yates outlines three core priorities for U.S. policy:<br> • Rebalancing the economic relationship with China<br> • Reinforcing deterrence and demonstrating American strength<br> • Strengthening and realigning global alliances</p> <p>The episode closes on a more personal note, as Yates reflects on family, loss, and the importance of stepping away from policy work to reconnect with what matters most.</p> <p>After 100 episodes, one message is clear: understanding China requires not just analysis — but listening, perspective, and a willingness to challenge long-held assumptions.</p> <p>00:00 — Intro + 100th episode special format<br> 00:08 — Andrew Langer guest hosts the China Desk<br> 00:35 — Celebrating 100 episodes and show impact<br> 00:57 — Steve Yates introduction and background<br> 02:28 — What Steve Yates has learned from 100 episodes<br> 03:15 — Why listening matters more than talking<br> 04:02 — Building trust with guests and audience<br> 06:11 — Has anything changed his perspective?<br> 07:08 — Bipartisan conversations and policy framing<br> 07:58 — Where U.S.–China relations stand today<br> 08:16 — The concept of reciprocity explained<br> 10:04 — Why engagement with China failed<br> 11:03 — The “fatal conceit” of Western assumptions<br> 13:53 — China–Russia relationship and strategic alignment<br> 15:32 — Lessons from the Cold War and Soviet Union<br> 16:48 — CCP control over Chinese society<br> 18:02 — Information control and political power<br> 19:02 — Why authoritarian systems persist<br> 19:56 — Historical trauma and CCP legitimacy<br> 21:02 — Economic growth vs political control<br> 22:10 — Three priorities for U.S. policy moving forward<br> 22:32 — Rebalancing the economic relationship<br> 23:57 — Reinforcing deterrence and American strength<br> 24:39 — Rethinking alliances and global priorities<br> 25:44 — Outside interests: family, outdoors, and faith<br> 27:33 — Where to find the China Desk podcast<br> 28:24 — Closing</p> <p><p>Watch Full-Length Interviews: https://www.youtube.com/@ChinaDeskFNW</p></p>
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China Desk is a nonpartisan podcast exploring the critical issues shaping the U.S.–China relationship. Hosted by Steve Yates, former White House national security advisor and president of Radio Free Asia, the show features leading experts, authors, and officials discussing the challenges and opportunities posed by China’s rise.
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