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Clause 8

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by Eli Mazour

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106 episodes

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Podcast Overview

The podcast listened to by sophisticated in-house counsel, judges from around the world, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, and top patent dealmakers and attorneys to stay ahead of the curve by understanding the personalities and forces shaping IP. Eli Mazour’s love of talking to people – along with his belief in the importance of America’s patent system – led him to start Clause 8. Clause 8 features conversations that provide strategic insights about how to best deal with various patent-related issues. Some of the previous guests include America’s great innovators, federal judges, USPTO Directors, top IP staffers on Capitol Hill, and Carole Baskin’s attorney from the documentary Tiger King. It's the #1 podcast about IP and is in the top 2.5% of all podcasts according to Listen Score. The podcast has been covered and cited in many publications, including Bloomberg, Law360, Courthouse News Service, Above the Law, IAM, and Original Jurisdiction. <a href="https://www.voiceofip.com?utm_medium=podcast">www.voiceofip.com</a>

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8/10/2017

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Recent Episodes

June 2, 2026

Via Eyes "De Facto" Standards for Future Pools

Via Licensing Alliance President Kevin Mack discusses building patent pools around de facto standards and the evolving landscape of royalty-free models with host Eli.

May 19, 2026

AI Boom Calls for New Copyright Law, Says USPTO Chief Behind the DMCA

USPTO Chief Bruce Lehman discusses how the AI boom necessitates new copyright laws, sharing insights from his DMCA experience.

May 5, 2026

The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets

When Alice came down in 2014, much of the patent prosecution bar reacted with denial. Most practitioners hoped the USPTO, the Federal Circuit, or Congress would clean things up — and that adding some magic language to claims and specifications would eventually be enough.Eli Mazour and Ngai Zhang, separately, came to a different conclusion: there had to be a new, better way to obtain strong patents in the post-Alice world. They started comparing notes more than a decade ago, eventually converged on a shared approach, and now implement these strategies together at Foley & Lardner.On this episode of Clause 8, Eli and Ngai walk through what they actually do — their unique strategies for avoiding and overcoming Section 101 issues, why it's difficult for other attorneys to implement these strategies, and how they think their practice will be impacted in the age of AI.In this episode:* Why relying only on art unit prediction tools & wordsmithing is a losing strategy for § 101* Why claim 1 shouldn’t be your broadest claim* How taking features out of independent claims helps advance prosecution - and how the strategy also leaves clients routinely surprised by how broad their issued claims end up* Examiner interviews as hostage negotiations: Ngai’s framework based on Chris Voss’s Never Split the Difference* Differing approaches that Ngai and Eli have on whether to push for an explicit on-the-record agreement before ending an interview* AI as a collaborator for patent drafting and prosecution* The importance of human interactions and communication for patent prosecution even in the age of AIWatch the full episode and read the companion post on Voice of IP: <a target="_blank" href="https://voiceofip.com/">https://voiceofip.com/</a>Subscribe to the Clause 8 YouTube channel for bonus content: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@clause8">https://www.youtube.com/@clause8</a>📌 Presented by Tradespace — where ideas take flight.<a target="_blank" href="https://www.voiceofip.com/about#%C2%A7disclaimer">Disclaimer</a> This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.voiceofip.com?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_1">www.voiceofip.com</a>

106 total episodes available with 9 transcripts

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What is Clause 8?: The podcast listened to by sophisticated in-house counsel, judges from around the world, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, and top patent dealmakers and attorneys to stay ahead of the curve by understanding the personalities and forces shaping IP.

Eli Mazour’s love of talking to people – along with his belief in the importance of America’s patent system – led him to start Clause 8. Clause 8 features conversations that provide strategic insights about how to best deal with various patent-related issues. Some of the previous guests include America’s great innovators, federal judges, USPTO Directors, top IP staffers on Capitol Hill, and Carole Baskin’s attorney from the documentary Tiger King.

It's the #1 podcast about IP and is in the top 2.5% of all podcasts according to Listen Score. The podcast has been covered and cited in many publications, including Bloomberg, Law360, Courthouse News Service, Above the Law, IAM, and Original Jurisdiction. <a href="https://www.voiceofip.com?utm_medium=podcast">www.voiceofip.com</a>
How often does this podcast release new episodes?: This podcast updates weekly.
Where can I listen to this podcast?: This podcast is available on 9 platforms including Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more. You can also use the RSS feed directly.
Does this podcast accept guests?: No, this podcast does not typically feature guests.

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