Using design principles to re-evaluate the Australian economy and the wider world.
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The Australian Government is determined to enrol more young people into university as a lever for achieving greater national productivity.
But what’s the point of increasing the number of university students if we don’t help graduates find those productivity-boosting jobs at the end of their degrees?
Sam is joined by Dr Jason Brown, now Director of Career Impact at Monash University. They discuss the flexible nature of employability, the benefits of hybrid work, and how internships unlock value for both students and industry.
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30 May 2026
"The Australian financial system" with Kevin Davis
It’s been said that if money is the lifeblood of the economy, the financial system is a network of veins threaded through the nation.
The financial system provides a place for people to invest and store their savings. It helps to channel funds into new businesses. It can also be used for speculation and in some cases, money-laundering.
With such a range of functions, how can we create a financial system that caters to the needs of customers and promotes productivity?
Sam is joined by Emeritus Professor Kevin Davis from the University of Melbourne to discuss who created our financial institutions and why; the surprising effects of financial regulation; and how Australia ended up with a few big, privately owned banks, and a huge decline in the number of mutually-owned credit unions.
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31 Mar 2026
“Creating public value” with Janine O’Flynn
Public policy impacts almost every aspect of our lives. Policy sets constraints on the economy. Policy sets out the rules that we live by. Analysts, politicians, and policymakers from different backgrounds collaborate and compete to create policy.
But who gets to decide what makes “good” public policy?
What should “good” policy seek to achieve?
Sam is joined by Professor Janine O’Flynn from ANU to step through two big ideas that have shaped public policy: New Public Management, and Public Value Theory.
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31 Jan 2026
“Systemic design for better policy” with Emma Blomkamp
The creation of good public policy requires policymakers to solve complex problems. This is challenging work, especially because reliable methods for creating good policy are not always clear.
Science, technology, and product development have made leaps and bounds in recent decades, in part thanks to advances in problem solving derived from fields of study such as design thinking and systems theory. Is it possible to apply the tools from these domains to solve complex policy problems?
Systemic design and co-design offer strategies for enabling policymakers to develop better policy – a big part of the picture is simply listening to the people who are impacted. Sam is joined by coach and researcher, Dr Emma Blomkamp to find out more about how to design better policy and the challenges faced by policymakers.
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20 Dec 2025
"The purpose of universities" with Andrew Norton
Does higher education hold the key to national prosperity?
Universities are complex and ancient institutions, yet instrumentalists view them primarily as a means to achieving government goals. The workers of the future will require advanced skills – so it is reasoned – and universities are perfectly positioned to deliver the training.
But does increasing the number of students at university automatically lead to a better educated workforce? Does it matter whether university educators have been trained to teach? And how can we know what the jobs of the future will be?
Professor Andrew Norton joins Sam to discuss the many responsibilities of universities and whether higher education policy is taking teaching seriously.
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4 Dec 2025
"Housing, banking, and MMT" with Alan Kohler
In a nation grappling with expensive housing, our lives are dominated by banks. Social mobility is no longer a function of hard work but a question of how much cash you can borrow from your parents.
Economic policy has played a central role in shaping these undesirable outcomes but it can be hard to understand how this works. That’s where Alan comes in.
Alan Kohler has been helping ordinary punters understand finance and the economy for over five decades. He joins Sam to unpack his writing – The Great Divide: Australia’s Housing Mess and How to Fix It (2023), and It’s Your Money: How Banking Went Rogue, Where it is Now and How to Protect and Grow Your Money (2019).
While they’re at it, they pause to wrestle with some of the mind-bending questions raised by Modern Monetary Theory. Are we being lied to about the national budget? Do government deficits matter?
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31 Oct 2025
"Housing and political change" with Maiy Azize
The Australian government has decided it is not responsible for providing access to affordable housing. Despite playing a pivotal role in the provision of public education and healthcare, government builds only a fraction of Australia’s housing stock. In a market dominated by private developers, house prices have seen staggering increases.
Everybody’s Home is a campaign to fix the Australian housing crisis. Sam speaks to national spokesperson, Maiy Azize, about how to effect political change, and why the government needs to return to the tried-and-tested policy of building more social and affordable housing.
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2 Oct 2025
"Money and the balance of power" with Brett Scott
We rely on it every day, but we rarely stop to consider, “What is money?”
There’s an important difference between a $50 banknote, and the numbers you see in your bank account. The availability of cash and digital money, and the infrastructure that supports them fundamentally shape our monetary system.
Much like a transport system, the monetary system is vital to the operation of a modern nation. But who is designing it? And what do we need a monetary system to provide?
Sam and Brett discuss the origin of money, monetary systems, and Brett’s 2023 book, “Cloudmoney”.
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10 Sept 2025
"Better government" with Jordan Lane, MP
Have you ever met a politician under the age of 30?
When Jordan Lane was elected as the NSW State Member for Ryde, he was one of just two parliamentarians in that age bracket.
Young people around the world are facing unique challenges, yet they are under-represented in our parliaments.
Jordan joins Sam to discuss young Aussies losing faith in politics and why he’s optimistic about the potential for positive change.
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28 Aug 2025
"Australian neoliberalism" with John Quiggin
Economic policy has transformed Australia in the past forty years.
If you’re reading about the Australian economy, it’s only a matter of time before you come across the term, “neoliberalism”. Over the past four decades, this brand of economic thought has had a massive impact on the shape of economies around the world.
Professor John Quiggin unpacks the rise of neoliberalism in Australia, the distinguishing characteristics of this ideology, and how events like the Global Financial Crisis undermined the credibility of key neoliberal theories.
John’s 2024 book, After Neoliberalism, can be found here (https://press.anu.edu.au/publications/series/global-thinkers-series/after-neoliberalism).
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6 Jul 2025
"Australia's culture crisis" with The Emergent City
Urban designer The Emergent City discusses Australia's cultural identity crisis stemming from unattainable home ownership, revealing the complex factors beyond government regulations in an interview with Sam Kellahan.
1 Jul 2025
Rewind #3 – "The truth about the budget"
Hosts Sam Kellahan and Rowan explore Modern Monetary Theory, referencing an interview with Professor Bill Mitchell from the University of Newcastle, to understand budget truths.
1 May 2025
"The truth about the budget" with Bill Mitchell
We’ve been told that the federal budget is like a household budget. But what if that’s not true? What would economic policy look like if there were no financial constraints on government spending?
Modern Monetary Theory offers a transformative lens through which to view the economy. Contrary to the claims of critics, MMT identifies very clear limits on government spending – they’re just not the limits politicians, commentators, and mainstream economists are talking about.
Professor Bill Mitchell joins Sam to discuss common misconceptions of MMT, the disconnect between economists and the general public, and how the government can responsibly combat inflation while ensuring that everyone has guaranteed access to a job.
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25 Apr 2025
Rewind #2 – "Inequality is bad for the economy"
Sam and Rowan are back to discuss the interview with Senior Economist, Matt Grudnoff, wrapping their heads around competitive markets and Australia’s inequitable tax system.
They’re not economists, but they are bravely fighting back against the Australian grocery duopoly by occasionally shopping at Aldi.
Find the original interview on inequality here (https://samkellahan.substack.com/p/inequality-is-bad-for-the-economy).
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4 Apr 2025
"Inequality is bad for the economy" with Matt Grudnoff
Australia has been called, “the lucky country”, but it’s clear that some people are more lucky than others.
Where does inequality come from? Is it possible, or even desirable to eliminate inequality? Why does the Australian tax system reward asset speculation and penalise Aussies for working hard to earn a wage?
Sam is joined by Senior Economist from The Australia Institute, Matt Grudnoff, to discuss how excessive corporate profits, stagnant wages, and an illogical tax system are undermining Australia’s ability to build a better future as the land of the fair go.
They examine the ways that inequality limits economic growth, and explore what it looks like to be part of the push for positive change.
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29 Mar 2025
Rewind #1 – "A better housing market"
Sam is joined by writer and comedian, Rowan Thambar, to discuss the interview with Dr Cameron Murray and unpick lingering questions about the Australian housing crisis.
They’re not economists, but at least one of them has shared a mushroom risotto with Ross Gittins.
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6 Feb 2025
Narrated: "The Weakness of Markets"
Reading of the Concept Economy article, The Weakness of Markets (https://samkellahan.substack.com/p/the-weakness-of-markets).
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3 Feb 2025
"A better housing market" with Cameron Murray
Australia’s housing market has been the topic of intense debate for well over a decade. Prices have surged around the nation and vulnerable people are being left behind.
In his 2024 book, “The Great Housing Hijack”, seasoned economist, Cameron Murray, explains that this is precisely what we should expect to see when government steps back from the provision of housing. In other words, the housing market is functioning normally.
But is normal good? How can we improve outcomes without crashing the market?And why is everyone so worked up about buying a house anyway?
Sam and Cameron explore the core questions we should be asking to frame a constructive conversation about Australia’s housing market.
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