Titles describe, music reveals.
Crescendo Conversations is an interview series hosted by Dr Zen Zeng, a concert pianist, keynote speaker and creative-thinking facilitator. Through four pieces of music, senior leaders reveal how they think under pressure, navigate complexity and find meaning in their work and lives.
In choosing four pieces, guests reveal something no CV or keynote ever could: the fear behind a decision, the doubt before a breakthrough, the ordinary humanity inside an extraordinary life. Each conversation moves through four territories: origins, interior moments of change, core values, and present direction. What emerges is not a leadership masterclass. It is something rarer: honest, unhurried conversation that reduces the distance between people and inspires listeners to step forward in their own lives.
Season One features a former Chief Medical Officer, a Global Senior Partner at KPMG, a former Australian Ambassador, a former WHO Director, a leader of global energy sector, an award-winning Australian conductor, and a global banking executive. For high-functioning professionals who value depth, joy, and purpose, and who have outgrown ordinary content.
Joseph Healy: From Building Banks to Healing People · Season One Finale
What does the music someone holds dear and near reveal about who they really are?
In the Season One finale of Crescendo Conversations, host Zen Zeng — concert pianist and author, sits down with Joseph Healy: co-founder of Judo Bank, founder of Malu Health Group, and one of Australia's most quietly remarkable senior leaders.
Joseph's four pieces of music take us from the hills of Scotland to the floors of global banking, through moments of profound vulnerability, hard-won wisdom, and a question that outlasts every career milestone: what are we truly responsible for leaving behind? Here are his choices:
Flower of Scotland by Amy MacDonald,
Bridge Over Troubled Water by Simon & Garfunkel,
The Gambler by Kenny Rogers,
We Didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel
These are not a playlist. They are a map of a life lived at full intensity, and a rare window into the interior world of a leader who has chosen depth over default at every turn.
Joseph represented Scotland internationally on a football pitch before he ever sat in a boardroom. He built a challenger bank from a PowerPoint slide, raised $1.5 billion, and listed it on the ASX in four years. Then he walked away — not in defeat, but in purpose, to build Malu Health Group and take on Australia's mental health crisis.
In this conversation, the music opens doors that titles keep closed. What emerges is not the story of a banker. It is the story of a human being who has always known the difference between being admired and being worthy of admiration.
This is where high achievement meets unfiltered humanity.
Season Two is coming.
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Crescendo Conversations is hosted by Zen Zeng — concert pianist, author, and curator of conversations that go beneath the surface of high achievement.
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28 Jul 2026
Jessica Gethin: Leading Orchestras Without Words | Crescendo Conversations
One of Australia's leading conductors on pressure, purpose, and the music that shaped her. Jessica Gethin has led orchestras from Sydney to Singapore to Dallas — here she shares four pieces that marked her life and her leadership, in the final conversation of Season One.
A conductor holds a hundred musicians in the movement of her hands, in a performance that happens once and can never be taken back. In this episode, concert pianist Zen Zeng sits down with her friend and fellow WAAPA musician Jessica Gethin to trace a life in music: listening under pressure, leading through change, and staying steady when everyone is watching.
The four pieces Jessica chose:
Max Bruch — Violin Concerto No. 1 in G minor, Op. 26 (I. Allegro moderato)
Igor Stravinsky — Symphonies of Wind Instruments (discussed in the episode; hear the full recording: [link])
Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky — Waltz of the Flowers, from The Nutcracker
Giuseppe Verdi — La forza del destino
About Jessica Gethin
Principal Conductor of West Australian Ballet, Head of Orchestral Studies and Conducting at WAAPA, and founding Chief Conductor of the Perth Symphony Orchestra. A Churchill Fellow and a Fellow of the Dallas Opera's Hart Institute for Women Conductors, inducted into the 2024 Western Australian Women's Hall of Fame and named among the AFR's 100 Most Influential Women.
About the show
Crescendo Conversations is a series where leaders from high-stakes worlds share four pieces of music that shaped their lives, identities and careers — and how they navigate pressure, change, ethics and purpose. Hosted by concert pianist and author Zen Zeng. Where high achievement meets unfiltered humanity.
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✍️Subscribe on Substack for weekly piano music and reflection (https://crescendowithzen.substack.com/):
📙 Crescendo: A High-Achiever's Journey from Perfection to Freedom (https://www.amazon.com.au/Crescendo-High-Achievers-Journey-Perfection-Freedom/dp/1923583522)
🟠 Crescendo Circle (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdXTsizvyGcA0PyeIoPktwx7DePrIbxHhVl39x69SKIavnq_Q/viewform): A curated community for specialists with a generalist soul. Depth, Joy and Purpose.
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13 Jul 2026
A Life of Crises: Rick Brennan on Purpose, Pressure, and What Endures
Rick Brennan spent two decades inside the world's worst humanitarian crises — including managing the response to Ebola outbreaks — later serving as a Regional Director of Emergency Operations at the World Health Organization. He's met Mother Teresa. He once called a 350-year-old house in France home. And later in life, he found love — a self-described "late bloomer", building a personal practice around travel to the world's most remote places, spirituality, and mindfulness.
In this episode of Crescendo Conversations, Rick shares the pieces of music that trace his journey — where his sense of purpose was first formed, the weight of decisions made under pressure, what remains unchanged beneath systems, policies, and global complexity, and what he hopes still matters, and endures, beyond him.
Three of his four songs are heard here as original piano interpretations by host Zen Zeng. The fourth belongs to the full conversation on YouTube — a moment better watched than described.
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29 Jun 2026
Ambassador Brendan Berne | Knowing When to Stop
He represented Australia in Paris and Seoul. But the four songs he chose reveal something the résumé never could.
Brendan Berne spent decades as one of Australia's most distinguished diplomats — serving as Ambassador to France and South Korea, operating in rooms where history was quietly being made. In this conversation, he leaves the résumé at the door.
Through four pieces of music, Brendan traces a life lived with unusual intentionality — from a childhood in Western Sydney, to coming of age as a gay teenager navigating a society that wasn't ready for him, to a career defined by one rare quality: always knowing when to stop.
The music that guides the journey:
— Chopin, Nocturne No. 10 in C♯ minor
— The Smiths, The Boy with the Thorn in His Side
— Purcell, When I Am Laid in Earth
— Rameau, Les Indes Galantes
What stayed with me long after we finished recording was this: so many of us keep going, without ever stopping to ask what else is left. Brendan has asked that question at every significant turn. And his answers are quietly extraordinary.
A conversation about identity, mortality, vitality, and the courage to live authentically.
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25 Jun 2026
Episode 2 | Martin Dougall: What the Tide Reveals
He grew up in Hamilton, Scotland. Working class, clear values, and a belief that effort speaks for itself.
Martin Dougall is now a Global Senior Partner in Forensic Solutions at KPMG — a career spent following financial crime, understanding what draws good people toward the wrong choice, and watching what happens when the truth finally surfaces.
Four songs trace the journey:
Dignity by Deacon Blue — Music of home, where it all began. Down Under by Men at Work — Australian backpackers in a British pub, and a life that quietly turned toward a different horizon. Precious Years by Runrig — the piece he returns to when outcomes are uncertain and the long view is the only honest one. Where the Streets Have No Name by U2 — not memory, but future direction.
In between the songs, Martin speaks about what his career has revealed — about the fine line between integrity and its loss, about what drives good people toward the wrong choice, and about a conviction that is not philosophical but forensic: keep doing the right thing. Because the tide goes out. It always does.
"Zen speaks from the heart of a concert pianist, the mind of a philosopher, and the soul of an authentic traveller. Steeped in the lessons of experience and expertise, Zen personifies deep thinking, weaving together the lessons of music, metaphor and meaning in ways that challenge and inspire." — Martin Dougall
Crescendo Conversations is an Australian podcast series hosted by concert pianist, Dr. Zen Zeng. Each episode, a distinguished global leader shares four pieces of music that shaped their identity, career and life. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Audible, and Spotify. Watch on YouTube.
15 Jun 2026
Lewis McDonald, Global Leader of the Energy Sector — Four Songs, Three Continents, One Life.
Lewis McDonald is the Global Managing Partner, Energy Sector at Herbert Smith Freehills Kramer — one of the most senior energy lawyers in the world, with a career built around some of the largest energy deals on the planet.
In this episode of Crescendo Conversations, Lewis shares the four pieces of music that have shaped his identity, his career, and his life: Living on a Prayer (Bon Jovi), Private Universe (Crowded House), Best of You (Foo Fighters), and Everything in Its Right Place (Radiohead).
We talk about what Lewis calls "cognitive athletes" — and why the way high-performing people think about pressure and recovery needs to change. We talk about an $11 billion energy deal in Mozambique, and what it actually meant for the people whose lives it touched. And partway through our conversation, Lewis picked up a guitar and played.
Music credits:
Living on a Prayer — written by Jon Bon Jovi, Richie Sambora, Desmond Child. Piano: Zen Zeng.
Private Universe — written by Neil Finn. Performed live by Lewis McDonald.
Best of You — written by Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins, Nate Mendel, Chris Shiflett. Piano: Zen Zeng.
Everything in Its Right Place — written by Thom Yorke, Jonny Greenwood, Colin Greenwood, Ed O'Brien, Philip Selway. Piano: Zen Zeng.
Crescendo Conversations is hosted and produced by Zen Zeng, concert pianist.
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6 Jun 2026
"It takes me straight back home." Martin Dougall on Dignity — the song that holds everything he was built on.
Home. Family. Community. The belief that you build something slowly, and you build it right.
Martin Dougall, Global Senior Partner in Forensic Solutions at KPMG, shares the song that has never left him — and the values that haven't either.
19 May 2026
Who I Am Before the Title: Prof. Paul Kelly on Music, Family and a Life Well-Lived.
Before he became Australia's Chief Medical Officer, Paul Kelly was a child who loved music. A son. A husband. A keen-fisherman. Someone who felt most alive in particular moments that had nothing to do with a title.
In this first conversation of Crescendo Conversations, Prof. Paul Kelly shares four pieces of music that trace the full arc of a life — where he came from, what lit him up, what the weight of the pandemic revealed about him, and what music he is walking toward now.
What emerges isn't a career retrospective. It's something far more interesting: a portrait of a person who has held enormous responsibility and remained, quietly, himself.
This is a conversation about family, belonging, courage and hope, told through the only language that bypasses everything we've learned to perform.
"Zen is a great conversationalist. I didn't know what to expect before the interview, and now I feel grounded, elated and honoured." — Prof. Paul Kelly
Music credits:
Clarinet Concerto in A, K622, Mov.II.
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Reginald Kell (clarinet), Zimbler Sinfonietta
American Decca, recorded in 1950.
Mdidi
Faith Mussa
Used with permission
Spiegel im Spiegel (for violin and piano)
Arvo Pärt
George Vi (violin) & Zen Zeng (piano)
Used with permission
Ave Maria
Franz Schubert
Claire Dux (soprano & piano)
Parlophone Odeon Series, recorded in 1933.
11 May 2026
WHY Crescendo Conversations?
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3 Apr 2026
"The Moment I Felt Most Alive" | Prof. Paul Kelly
"Can we do that again?"
In this teaser for Crescendo Conversations, Australia’s Chief Medical Officer, Prof. Paul Kelly, steps away from the podium to share the moments that define his vitality. From the birth of his children to a breathless, high-speed cycling descent through the Alps with his wife, Jenny, Paul discusses the power of being present.
Full episode launches April 21, 2026.
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