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Future-Casting with Dwight Zscheile and Michael Binder: A Mixed Ecology
What if the future of the Church isn’t about choosing between what we’ve inherited and what’s emerging—but making room for both?
In this episode of Season 6, Nick Warnes sits down with Michael Binder and Dwight Zscheile to explore what faithful innovation looks like in a rapidly changing Church. Together, they talk about the challenges facing inherited church structures, the longing for deeper purpose and belonging, and the surprising ways God is already raising up new leaders and communities.
Drawing from their work in faithful innovation and the “mixed ecology” of the Church, Michael and Dwight invite us to expand our imagination about what Christian community can look like. They explore the power of small experiments, lay-led ministry, listening to our neighbors, and giving ordinary people permission to follow where they sense God leading. Looking toward the next 10–20 years, they share a hopeful vision of a Church where inherited traditions and new expressions don't compete, but learn from and strengthen one another.
10 Sept 2026
Future-Casting with Lisa Sharon Harper: Reimagining the Good News
What if the gospel is bigger than our individual salvation—and what might that mean for the future of the Church?
In this episode of Season 6, Nick Warnes sits down with author, organizer, and public theologian Lisa Sharon Harper to explore how our understanding of the gospel shapes the way we imagine and build the future. Drawing from her own journey of rethinking faith through the stories of oppression in her family history, Lisa shares how the biblical vision of shalom offers a more expansive picture of the good news—one rooted in the healing and flourishing of the whole world.
Together, Nick and Lisa explore the connection between faith, justice, systems, and social change, asking what it means for the Church to move beyond a reduced gospel and toward a vision of radical connection, reconciliation, and the flourishing of all. They also talk about the dangers of fundamentalism, the importance of becoming better listeners, and why the future of the Church may depend on our willingness to reimagine what God is actually calling us toward.
Follow Lisa:
Instagram: @lisasharper
Substack: @lisasharonharper
24 Aug 2026
Future-Casting with Alexia Salvatierra: The Church is Becoming
What if the Church’s future is already taking shape–in new generations, new communities, and new ways of following Jesus?
In this episode of Season 6, Nick Warnes sits down with Rev. Dr. Alexia Salvatierra, pastor, scholar, and community organizer, to explore how immigrant churches, younger generations, and emerging multicultural communities are shaping what comes next for the Church in the United States. Together, they discuss the tension between honoring the faith of previous generations and making room for new expressions, the power of intergenerational collaboration, and the ways the Holy Spirit is creating something new through cultural hybridity and experimentation.
Alexia offers a hopeful vision of a Church that is not standing still, but becoming–one generation, one community, and one Spirit-led experiment at a time. She can be reached at alexia@alexiasalvatierra.com.
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