Dancing with change is a podcast that seeks to understand how we can create systemic change in society, on one hand exploring the current dominant system we are in and the ways in which we can accelerate its decline, and on the other hand exploring visions of the future and how we can find our role in bringing into being. We can't control systems, but we can try to understand them and do our best to influence them.
Episode 11- Creating Commons with Mary Dellenbaugh-Losse
How should we distribute resources? Often, the market is considered to be the best system for distributing resources. However, the market distributes resources to those who can afford them, not necessarily those who need them. The state may also help to distribute resources that are considered too important to leave to the market, as well as regulate them. But the state is a big and complex system that tends to move slowly. It also makes normative decisions about what things are considered "n...
26 Apr 2022
Stories and Structure of the Food System with Christophe Bene
Many people are now suggesting that the food system is broken, but what do they mean by broken? Is the problem the quantity of food? The quality? The inequality within the system, or its impact on the climate and environmental crisis? Despite these critiques coming on multiple fronts, the food system appears to be continuing down the same path it has been on. In this interview with Christophe Bene, we discuss the food system, the four dominant narratives about why the food system isn...
22 Mar 2022
Episode 9- Liberating Local Politics with Peter MacFadyen
Most politics are currently dominated by political parties which are locked into conflict with each other. In this system, people don't turn up as individuals but as part of the party machine, in which they work together to wield power over other parties. Politicians aim to convince voters to give them the power to rule over them, but not to govern with them. Ideas are debated, but if there is no intention to listen and one side has all power to make decisions, then it is only for...
8 Mar 2022
Episode 8 Anthea Roberts on The Six Faces of Globalisation
Economic globalisation is a complex process that affects everybody. There are many stories told about globalisation, that it benefits everybody, that some people benefit at the expense of others, or that everybody stands to lose from it. So which is true? Stories help us simplify and understand reality, however, each one is focused on describing only particular aspects of the complex whole. Each story highlights particular scales, actors and normative values. In this interview, we unsc...
22 Feb 2022
Episode 7 Exploring Anarchism with Ruth Kinna
How we organise ourselves is central to the way our society functions. We often take for granted the power dynamics and values that are present in the modern-day nation-state, but who do these arrangements benefit and who does it disempower? Is governance from the top the best way of realising our values and creating the kind of society we desire? Often associated with chaos, Anarchism is a generally misunderstood political philosophy that suggests that nobody needs to be in charge. In this ...
8 Feb 2022
Episode 6 Power, Prefiguring and the Margins with Fleur and Marco
In this episode, I talk with Fleur and Marco about power dynamics and pedagogies within social movements generally but is focused on our experience with Extinction Rebellion. One of the themes that lie at the heart of this discussion is about whose voices are heard. Fleur's research has focused on an understanding of social movements as places of learning and has looked at the role of the urgency narrative within the movement in reproducing the dominant logic, and how the pandemic brought mar...
25 Jan 2022
Episode 5 Unpacking Economics with Steve Keen
In this episode, I chat with renowned heterodox economist Steve Keen about Economics. We dive into the history of capitalism as a system of organisation, as well as the origins of the theories created to explain it and unearth the assumptions made by early theorists and the problems that these have created in our current system. We also talk about the nature of money, the 2008 financial crisis, how conventional economists understand the climate crisis, and what a realistic economic theory mig...
11 Jan 2022
Episode 4- Robin Roels on Degrowth
In the past, economic growth has been strongly correlated with improvements in human wellbeing, and so economic growth is generally considered to be a good proxy measure for human wellbeing. But is growth always good? Can it continue forever? How are the benefits distributed? Has the measure become the target? What role do money and consumption play in living a good life? These are the kinds of questions that the degrowth movement seeks to answer. In this episode, I chat with Robin Roel...
28 Dec 2021
Episode 3- Terry Leahy on The Politics of Permaculture
On the surface permaculture can appear to just be a hip form of gardening, although permaculturists often suggest it is a revolution disguised as gardening. But what is permaculture? Is permaculture perennial agriculture? Intelligent integrated design of homes and gardens? Or is permaculture a set of ethics and principles applied to design? In this episode, I speak with Terry Leahy about Permaculture. Terry has recently authored "The Politics of Permaculture" which takes a critical lo...
14 Dec 2021
Episode 2- Richard Heinberg on Energy and Society
The amount of energy we have available to do valuable work is a parameter that continually shapes and reshapes how our societies are organised economically, politically, socially, and ethically. Therefore understanding our energy systems and their capabilities and limitations is essential for understanding why our society is structured the way it is. In this episode, I chat with Richard Heinberg about the different kinds of energy and how they shape our society, prospects for our energy futur...
25 Nov 2021
Epsiode 1- Annie Raser Rowland on Frugal Hedonism
In this episode i chat with Annie Raser Rowland, co- author of the weed foragers handbook, and the art of frugal hedonism. We explore frugal hedonism, the idea that living with less can actually be a life of more, and a lot of fun! I promised to post an image of the visual summary of the episode but i actually still need to get a website up and running first! so my apologies, it will be posted when this happens. Get a copy of the book! https://www.frugalhedonism.com Link to david holmgrens...
24 Nov 2021
Episode 0 - The dancing with change framework
In this very special introductory episode i talk a little bit about what this podcast is about, the goals of the podcast, the ideas we are hoping to explore, and who this show might appeal to. Watch this space for upcoming episodes!
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