De Verbranders

About De Verbranders

De Verbranders is een podcast over Europa's grenzen en verzet ertegen. We gaan in gesprek met migranten, activisten en wetenschappers over de koloniale oorsprong van grenzen en de ongelijkheid die grenzen vandaag de dag produceren. Illustraties door B. Carrot, o.a. uit Alle Dagen Ui, uitgegeven door Soul Food Comics. Voor meer B. Carrot zie www.instagram.com/bcarrotdraws/ en www.bcarrot.nl Grafische vormgeving door Thomas van Dark Roast (https://www.instagram.com/thomas.darkroast/) Themamuziek: David (gitaar) en Joris (drums) Themamuziek: Allen (accordeon) en Neske (viool), naar Doina van de Fanfare Ciocarlia Financiële ondersteuning: Van Vollenhoven Instituut en het Instituut voor Culturele Antropologie en Ontwikkelingssociologie van de Universiteit Leiden, het Leids Universiteits Fonds, en de Nederlandse Organisatie voor Wetenschappelijk Onderzoek

Publisher

Neske Baerwaldt & Wiebe Ruijtenberg

Category

society & culture

Language

nl

Explicit

No

First episode

29 Sept 2021

Latest episode

1 Nov 2026

Latest episodes

33 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   1 Nov 2026

   Ontknoopte Tongen. Afl 1: Met Nawal Mustafa (Nederlands).

   De Verbranders presenteert: Ontknoopte Tongen, een audioserie waarin moslimvrouwen in Nederland vertellen over wat het betekent om zich uit te spreken tegen onrecht. Gepresenteerd en gecreëerd door Neske Baerwaldt en Asma Mataich. Wat betekent het om je als moslimvrouw in Nederland publiekelijk hoorbaar te maken? Welke vormen van politiek, verzet, liefde en gemeenschap leven daarachter en ontstaan daaruit? Vandaag spreken we met Nawal Mustafa, universitair docent in Black Studies, Critical Race Studies and Indigenous Studies aan de Universiteit van Amsterdam. Op Nawals verzoek vertellen we geen levensverhaal met een duidelijke, chronologische lijn. In plaats daarvan reizen we door verschillende delen van haar leven aan de hand van geluidsfragmenten. We luisteren samen naar stemmen die voor haar van betekenis zijn: van Shaykh Nourin Mohamed Siddiq, Malcolm X, James Baldwin en Nikki Giovanni tot de Somalische dichters Abwaan Jaamac Kadiye en Caasha Luul uit de gabay-traditie. Aan de hand van die fragmenten praten we over hoe je liefde vormgeeft als zwarte vrouw in een wereld die gebouwd is op dominantie. Over de illusie dat je stabiliteit en zekerheid krijgt in ruil voor het investeren in een systeem dat uit elkaar valt. Over dansen op Somalische bruiloften, de rol van poëzie in de revolutionaire strijd in Somalië, solidariteit; de islam als gids in Nawals leven, en nog veel meer. We beginnen deze serie met Nawal omdat zij degene was die de Surah inbracht waaruit Ontknoopte Tongen als beeld voor deze serie ontstond.

2. 

   17 Dec 2025

   Ep 31: Break isolation. With Rex Osa & Aino Korvensyrjä (English).

   In this episode, we talk with Rex Osa and Aino Korvensyrjä about what it means to be in solidarity with people who self-organize against encampment, isolation, and deportation. In doing so, they take us to the struggles that took place in southern Germany’s large asylum and deportation camps in 2017 and 2018—struggles that continued in the following years. Self-organizing, as Rex explains, is the ability of people who are affected by structural violence to organize themselves and to be part of the decision-making process in struggles for their dignity and liberation. What does practical solidarity with people facing state violence require? How do you organize together with the people most affected in a way that centers their dignity? And what is the importance of archiving our struggles from below? While we interview Aino and Rex, many people were—and still are—part of the organizing they speak of. We’d like to shout out everyone who fought in the camps, starting with the people living in Bamberg, Donauwörth, Deggendorf, and Ellwangen who resisted their isolation and deportation. We also want to acknowledge the groups and individuals who supported them, including Aktion Bleiberecht, the Bavarian Refugee Council, Justizwatch, the Campaign for the Victims of Racist Police Violence, International Women Space, and all of the lawyers who stand in solidarity with people in struggle. We also want to thank Afrique-Europe-Interact, migration-control.info, and the Initiative in Remembrance of Oury Jalloh for documenting and challenging Euro-African deportation cooperation, border externalization, and racist police brutality and criminalization in Germany. Finally, a special shout-out as well to The VOICE Refugee Forum and the Caravan for the Rights of Refugees and Migrants, two self-organized groups that have been important in developing the methods of organizing and the anticolonial critiques discussed in the episode. The audio clips we play can be found on www.cultureofdeportation.org, a collective that Aino and Rex founded, initially together with Claudio Feliziani. The interview we play with Yusupha Jarboh was shot by Kin Chui together with Rex in The Gambia and Sierra Leone. If you would like to support people after they’ve been deported, consider supporting the Safe House for Deported Persons in Lagos, which Rex is involved with: https://refugees4refugees.org/en/2025/11/28/return-reintegration-illusion-of-an-eu-moral-for-solidarity/ For an overview of Aino’s research, visit: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aino-Korvensyrjae

3. 

   16 Oct 2025

   Ep 30: Outside the law. With Shahram Khosravi (English).

   In this episode, Shahram Khosravi, Professor of Social Anthropology at Stockholm University, reflects on a lifetime of theorizing from outside the law, and his ongoing urge to create otherwise. When Shahram talks about theorizing from outside the law, he is not using a metaphor, he is referring to his experiences growing up Bakhtiari, and the refusal of his people to be dominated by colonial powers, whether in Tehran, or European. Shahram also talks about being Young and Defiant in Tehran, to name one of his books, and about crossing borders as a so-categorized Illegal Traveler, to name his auto-ethnography, or auto-theory of borders. And, he talks about refusing modes of knowledge production that are hostile to him and his people. As Shahram explains, coming from Indigenous People, such refusals are not about negation, but rather about creation, and walking in the fog of the unknown At the time of this recording, in June 2025, Israel and the United States were bombing Iran, putting people outside of the law, again. In the episode, we take this moment to reflect on how deep we are falling, and how dark the times are, in which we are again witnessing genocide in the name of freedom, human rights, and democracy. But, we also talk about how we can build on the movements that came before us, and from other places, to fight these dark times. And, in this spirit, we listen to music that transports into those other worlds. We listen to Aida Shahghasemi, who sings the song Gole Bavineh, taking us to the Bakhtiari world of Shahram’s youth. We then listen to Parvin, who sings the song Ghoghaye Setargan, which carries different Iranian revolutions in it. Finally, we listen to Soheil Nafisi, who sings Nima Yushij’s poem Ay Adamha, in which a person drowning in the sea cries out to a festive crowd on the shore and the old world they represent, demanding to be seen, and demanding a liveable world. Enjoy listening.

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