DEEP Dive is a podcast series from NATO’s Defence Education Enhancement Programme (DEEP). Each episode provides commentary and analysis with experts and practitioners on a variety of subjects, including international security and defence, counter-terrorism, and geopolitical current events. For more information and additional content, including full transcripts of each episode, please visit deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive
How is the Iran conflict impacting on the Middle East, and what does this mean for global security? In episode 61 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan M. Gohel is joined by Dr. Mahmut Cengiz to examine Tehran’s evolving strategy and the wider implications of the current crisis.
Drawing on his expertise, Dr. Cengiz explains how Iran relies on asymmetric warfare, including drones, cyber operations, and proxy networks, to impose costs on its adversaries while avoiding full-scale confrontation.
Full transcripts for each episode can be found at:
https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ (https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/)
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11 Mar 2026
Episode 60 - Alex Townsend-Drake and the Age of Drone Warfare
How prepared are we for the evolving threat of conflict in the age of ever advancing technology? In episode 60 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Alex Townsend-Drake, Head of the Counter Terrorism Preparedness Network (CTPN), to examine how drones have become a serious counterterrorism and national security concern, particularly in urban environments.
Their conversation explores how terrorist groups and malign actors use both modified and commercially available drone platforms for surveillance, attack, disruption, and psychological impact. The discussion draws lessons from contemporary conflicts and assesses grey-zone risks and deterrence challenges. Looking ahead, it evaluates emerging capabilities and future threats.
Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive (https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/deepdive)
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7 Jan 2026
Episode 59 - Dominic Murphy and Frontline National Security
How do decades of frontline counter-terrorism experience shape critical decision-making during moments of national security crisis? In episode 59 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Dominic Murphy, Commander of the Metropolitan Police’s Counter Terrorism Command (SO15), about the realities of protecting the UK and allied partners from terrorism and hostile state threats. Drawing on his career responding to the 7/7 London bombings, the wave of terrorist attacks in 2017, and major overseas incidents, Commander Murphy explains why preparation, intelligence, and leadership under pressure are essential to keeping the public safe.
Full transcripts for each episode can be found at: https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/ (https://deepportal.hq.nato.int/eacademy/deep-dive-podcasts/)
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