Welcome to Deep Work: Out Loud, The thinking that fuels our life, our work, and our leadership. I'm Julie Harris Oliver. This is the podcast where I sit with another professional coach and we do some work around a single concept, piece of inspiration, a topic we've seen come up in coaching. If we're very lucky, while talking about it, we might demonstrate what coaching might look and feel like. But we'll see how this goes. It's all an experiment. With any luck, you will leave with something you can apply and use in your work or your life or both.
Deep Work Out Loud
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Welcome to Deep Work: Out Loud, The thinking that fuels our life, our work, and our leadership. I'm Julie Harris Oliver. This is the podcast where I sit with another professional coach and we do some work around a single concept, piece of inspiration, a topic we've seen come up in coaching. If we're very lucky, while talking about it, we might demonstrate what coaching might look and feel like. But we'll see how this goes. It's all an experiment. With any luck, you will leave with something you can apply and use in your work or your life or both.
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July 21, 2026
Redefining Leadership Value: Beyond the Checklist with Jennifer Tankersley
<p dir="ltr">Have you ever ended a full, packed day of leadership and still felt like you didn't actually get anything done?</p> <p dir="ltr">In this episode of Deep Work Out Loud, Julie Harris Oliver welcomes executive coach Jennifer Tankersley to unpack why senior leaders so often feel like they're "not doing enough," even when they're busy from the first meeting to the last. Jennifer traces her own path from data-focused management consulting into coaching, driven by a growing fascination with the human side of leadership that no spreadsheet could capture.</p> <p dir="ltr">Julie and Jennifer dig into a real client case where a leader felt like "nothing got done" in a day that was, in fact, full of high-impact conversations, just none of them checkable off a list. From there, Jennifer lays out her value equation, a framework for what leadership value actually includes: tangible work, enabling other people's work, information flow and learning, reflection and sense-making, and self-leadership, meaning spaciousness, regulation, and intentional presence. They talk about how to make that invisible leadership work visible, how role chartering and managing up can align expectations, and how to tell the difference between real external urgency and the reactive urgency that comes from a nervous system stuck in threat response. Clarity, safety, recovery, and the willingness to pause come up again and again as the real practices underneath good leadership.</p> <h2 dir="ltr">In This Episode:</h2> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Jennifer's path from data-driven consulting into executive coaching</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Why a full day of leadership can still feel like "nothing got done"</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">The value equation: tangible work, enabling others, information flow, reflection, and self-leadership</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">How to make invisible leadership work visible to the people around you</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Role chartering and managing up as tools for alignment</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">The difference between real urgency and reactive urgency rooted in threat response</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Why clarity, safety, recovery, and pausing are core leadership practices, not soft extras</p> </li> </ul> <p dir="ltr">⏰ Chapters 00:00 Jennifer Tankersley<br /> 04:17 Jennifer's Path to Coaching<br /> 08:46 The Value Equation Framework<br /> 12:57 Making the Invisible Visible<br /> 17:56 Safety, Groundedness & Reactive Patterns<br /> 25:31 Urgency: Real vs. Reactive<br /> 31:22 Recovery & Restoration for Leaders</p> <p dir="ltr">👤 About Jennifer Tankersley Jennifer Tankersley is an executive coach who moved into coaching after a career in data-focused management consulting, drawn by a deep interest in the human side of leadership. She writes and speaks about redefining what leadership value actually looks like beyond output and checklists. Read more in her article, "You Don't Have a Time Problem, You Have a Value Problem," at thetankersleygroup.com. 🌐 Website: https://thetankersleygroup.com</p> <p dir="ltr">👤 About Julie Harris Oliver Julie Harris Oliver is an Executive Coach, Leadership Development Professional, and host of the Deep Work Out Loud podcast. Through thought-provoking conversations with coaches, leaders, and subject matter experts, Julie helps professionals develop greater self-awareness, strengthen leadership skills, navigate career transitions, and create meaningful personal and professional growth.</p> <p dir="ltr">Each episode explores practical insights you can apply to your work, relationships, leadership, and everyday life. 🌐 Website: https://julieharrisoliver.com</p> <p dir="ltr">━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ 🔔 Subscribe for More Leadership & Coaching Insights If you enjoy conversations about leadership, executive coaching, emotional intelligence, mindset, workplace culture, and personal growth, make sure to Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss a new episode of Deep Work Out Loud.</p> <p dir="ltr">📌 Subscribe & Stay Updated: → https://www.youtube.com/@DWOLJulieHarrisOliver?sub_confirmation=1</p> <p dir="ltr">🔗 Connect with Julie Harris: • Website: → https://www.julieharrisoliver.com/ • Instagram: → https://www.instagram.com/julieharrisoliver/ • LinkedIn: → https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-harris-oliver • Book a FREE Call: → https://www.julieharrisoliver.com/coaching-appointment</p> <p dir="ltr">#DeepWorkOutLoud #LeadershipDevelopment #ExecutiveCoaching #SelfAwareness #InvisibleWork #LeadershipValue</p> <p> </p>
July 14, 2026
Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable: Aiko Bethea on Transcending the Bullsh*t and Living Your Real Values
<p dir="ltr">Have you ever named your core values on the spot, without missing a beat, or drawn a total blank? In this episode of Deep Work Out Loud, Julie Harris Oliver welcomes executive coach and author Aiko Bethea to explore the gap between the values we say we hold and the ones we actually live by.</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">Aiko is the founder of Rare Coaching and Consulting, a senior leadership consultant for the Brene Brown Education and Research Group, and the author of the new book Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable: A Framework for Transcending Bullshit and Transforming Our Lives and Work. Forbes named her one of the top seven anti-racism educators for companies, and The Industry Leaders recently ranked her the number three executive coach in the world.</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">Aiko shares why she built her framework around naming behaviors instead of just naming values, why she calls the obstacles in the way of that work bullshit on purpose, grounded in the real bullshit asymmetry principle, and how she talks to her own kids about the parenting choices she'd make differently now. Whether you're a leader, a coach, a parent, or someone trying to figure out whose voice is actually running your life, this conversation offers a real framework for telling the difference.</p> <h2 dir="ltr">In This Episode:</h2> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Why naming a value means nothing without naming the behavior behind it</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">The bullshit asymmetry principle, and why Aiko chose that word on purpose</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Julie's own turning point: a birthday cake, a lunch break, and a career-changing decision</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">How to talk to your kids (or your team) about the patterns you're trying to unlearn</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Building safety and trust by admitting what you don't know</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">How we collude with systems that don't serve us</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">The one question to ask anytime you feel obligated: "says who?"</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Why permission to rest can feel like a radical act</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Aiko's upcoming retreat in Costa Rica</p> </li> </ul> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">⏰ Chapters 00:00 Introduction<br /> 01:00 Meet Aiko Bethea<br /> 02:00 What Led Her to Coaching<br /> 03:00 Inside Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable<br /> 04:00 From Naming Values to Naming Behaviors<br /> 07:00 The Privilege of Alignment and the Birthday Cake Story<br /> 09:00 The Bullshit Asymmetry Principle<br /> 12:00 The Derailers That Keep Us From Our Core Selves<br /> 15:00 Talking to Your Kids About Getting It Wrong<br /> 19:00 Psychological Safety and Not Having All the Answers<br /> 22:00 Systems, Collusion, and "Says Who?"<br /> 27:00 Slow Thinking and the Soccer Practice Problem<br /> 30:00 Withholding Permission and Rest<br /> 33:00 Permission to Rest as a Radical Act<br /> 34:00 Where to Find Aiko and Final Reflections</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">👤 About Aiko Bethea Aiko Bethea is the founder of Rare Coaching and Consulting, a leadership development firm helping leaders navigate today's workplace with more impactful approaches to leadership. She was recognized by Forbes as one of the top seven anti-racism educators for companies and named an influencer to follow by Culture Amp. She contributed to the New York Times bestselling anthology You Are Your Best Thing, and her writing has appeared in Forbes and Harvard Business Review. She is a senior leadership consultant for the Brene Brown Education and Research Group and a faculty member of the Hudson Institute of Coaching. Her book, Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable, is out now. 🌐 Website: <a href="https://rarecoaching.net">https://rarecoaching.net</a> 📷 Instagram: @Rare_Coach 📚 Book: <a href= "https://bookshop.org/shop/deepworkoutloud">https://bookshop.org/shop/deepworkoutloud</a> 🌴Retreat: <a href= "https://www.retreatwithrare.com/">https://www.retreatwithrare.com/</a> </p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">👤 About Julie Harris Oliver Julie Harris Oliver is an Executive Coach, Leadership Development Professional, and host of the Deep Work Out Loud podcast. Through thought-provoking conversations with coaches, leaders, and subject matter experts, Julie helps professionals develop greater self-awareness, strengthen leadership skills, navigate career transitions, and create meaningful personal and professional growth.</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">Each episode explores practical insights you can apply to your work, relationships, leadership, and everyday life. 🌐 Website: <a href= "https://julieharrisoliver.com">https://julieharrisoliver.com</a></p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ 🔔 Subscribe for More Leadership & Coaching Insights If you enjoy conversations about leadership, executive coaching, emotional intelligence, mindset, workplace culture, and personal growth, make sure to Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss a new episode of Deep Work Out Loud.</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p> </p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">🔗 Connect with Julie Harris: • Website: → <a href= "https://www.julieharrisoliver.com/">https://www.julieharrisoliver.com/</a> • Instagram: → <a href= "https://www.instagram.com/julieharrisoliver/">https://www.instagram.com/julieharrisoliver/</a> • LinkedIn: → <a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-harris-oliver">https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-harris-oliver</a> • Book a FREE Call: → <a href= "https://www.julieharrisoliver.com/coaching-appointment">https://www.julieharrisoliver.com/coaching-appointment</a></p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">#LeadershipDevelopment #SelfAwareness #ExecutiveCoaching #PersonalGrowth #CoreValues #PsychologicalSafety</p>
May 26, 2026
Dr. Matt Kodsi on "A Story Tale: ABCs of the Stories We Tell Ourselves" | Deep Work Out Loud
<p dir="ltr">Dr. Matt Kodsi on "A Story Tale: ABCs of the Stories We Tell Ourselves,"</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">Host Julie Harris Oliver welcomes encore guest Dr. Matt Kodsi to discuss his book, "A Story Tale: ABCs of the Stories We Tell Ourselves," and his journey into writing. Kodsi explains how people fill gaps in knowledge by creating stories—often with a negative bias—and shares examples. He describes the book's short, parable-style format (about 72 pages; 1 hour on Audible), its framing as a Zoom conversation between a corporate executive father and journalism-major daughter, and its ABC framework for examining stories and their impacts. Kodsi outlines a planned five-book series on presence, life strategies, organizational culture, and identity, notes the book's addition to the University of Georgia MHA curriculum, and shares where to buy it on Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and Audible.</p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr">00:00 Welcome and Format</p> <p dir="ltr">00:31 Encore Guest Matt</p> <p dir="ltr">01:22 Why Write a Book</p> <p dir="ltr">02:22 Stories We Tell Ourselves</p> <p dir="ltr">03:55 Real World Examples</p> <p dir="ltr">07:11 Stories About Ourselves</p> <p dir="ltr">08:13 Building the Book Plot</p> <p dir="ltr">12:31 Series of Five Books</p> <p dir="ltr">15:55 Catching Your Own Stories</p> <p dir="ltr">19:38 Who Its For</p> <p dir="ltr">22:28 Where to Get It</p> <p dir="ltr">23:38 Closing Invitation </p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://www.amazon.com/s?k=story+tale%3A+abcs+of+the+stories+we+tell+ourselves&crid=L3TRQ3YYY95X&sprefix=story+tale+abcs+of+the+stories+we+tell+ourselves%2Caps%2C129&ref=nb_sb_noss"> Buy the book</a></p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "https://www.bridgingjourneyscoaching.com/">Find Dr. Matt Kodsi here</a></p> <p><strong> </strong></p> <p dir="ltr"><a href= "http://julieharrisoliver.com">Julieharrisoliver.com</a></p> <p> </p>
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