Deeply Human Leading with Lee Ann Del Carpio & Gretchen Terry-Leonard
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<p>AI is transforming every industry. But the leaders deploying it are being asked to change faster than any model prepared them for.</p><p></p><p>Deeply Human Leading is a weekly podcast for leaders navigating the gap between the intelligence they're deploying and the human capacity to lead alongside it.</p><p></p><p>Hosted by Lee Ann Del Carpio and Gretchen Terry-Leonard — who've spent decades guiding leaders through disruption, complexity, and systems change — each episode explores what it takes to lead with clarity, courage, and discernment when the ground is shifting.</p><p></p><p>New episodes every Tuesday.</p><p></p><p>VISIT: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.deeplyhumanleading.com" target="_blank">https://www.deeplyhumanleading.com</a></p>
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July 15, 2026
When AI Has All the Answers, Who Makes the Meaning? with Stacy McCarthy | 015
<p>In this episode, Lee Ann Del Carpio sits down with Stacy McCarthy, founder of Learning Design Network and a designer of dialogue for thirty years, to explore what real conversation gives us that no tool can, and how leaders keep making meaning together as AI speeds everything up. They start with a distinction the old languages knew: to discuss is to break a thing into pieces, while to dialogue is to make shared meaning. One we can now do at machine speed. The other still asks us to slow down.</p><p></p><p>In this episode, you'll explore:</p><p></p><ul><li>Why dialogue and discussion are not the same thing, and why the difference matters more as AI accelerates</li><li>- Coherence as the antidote to fragmentation, and how leaders build shared meaning across real differences</li><li>- The quiet resurgence of craft and gathering, and what it reveals about what humans need in the AI age</li><li>- Why the problem was never the tool, and what it means to design our interaction with AI on purpose</li><li>- How to keep the uniquely human capacities, judgment, connection, and meaning-making, strong while the machines get faster</li></ul><p>CHAPTERS:</p><p>00:00 Two friends, thirty years, one question</p><p>02:33 Why dialogue: language, Japan, and how culture shapes thought</p><p>06:28 What coherence really means</p><p>10:21 When fear fills the vacuum</p><p>12:05 Handwriting, improvisation, and being real</p><p>14:02 You cannot shift perspective until you shift the story</p><p>15:06 Designing dialogue: grappling, not debating</p><p>18:01 Discussion versus dialogue</p><p>20:57 The return to craft: pottery, gathering, presence</p><p>25:15 The trend underneath the trend</p><p>27:38 The problem was never the tool</p><p>29:55 From tool to thought partner to teammate</p><p>32:28 What patient-centric really asks of a system</p><p>34:52 Let the machine do the grunt work</p><p>43:07 Co-authors, not passengers</p><p>46:44 Wayfinding and what speed made us forget</p><p>50:36 The AI poem at the birthday table</p><p>53:40 Where to find Stacy</p><p></p><p><b>About the Hosts:</b></p><p>Lee Ann Del Carpio is the founder of Deeply Human, Inc. and the Center for Deeply Human Leadership. With 25+ years guiding senior leaders through transformation in healthcare, biotech, and complex systems, she helps leaders reawaken relational wisdom, discernment, and the ability to shape systems that serve life.</p><p></p><p><b>About the Guest:</b></p><p>Stacy McCarthy is the founder and president of Learning Design Network. Over more than thirty years she has designed experiential, game-based learning that helps organizations turn a leadership vision into daily behavior people own, reaching close to a million people across organizations including Kaiser Permanente, Johnson & Johnson, Humana, and Gap. Her work is rooted in cross-cultural communication, dialogue, and discovery learning, shaped by years living and working in Japan and Europe. Find her at <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://learningdesignnetwork.com" target="_blank">learningdesignnetwork.com</a> and on LinkedIn.</p><p></p><p><b>References & Links:</b></p><p>Stacy McCarthy, Learning Design Network: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.learningdesignnetwork.com" target="_blank">https://www.learningdesignnetwork.com</a></p><p>Subscribe to The Deep Signal newsletter: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://deeply-human.kit.com/b1bfa01738" target="_blank">https://deeply-human.kit.com/b1bfa01738</a></p><p>Website: https://www.deeplyhumanleading.com</p>
July 7, 2026
Is It You or Is It AI? Leading Without Losing Yourself | 014
<p><b>DESCRIPTION:</b></p><p>A strategy memo goes to Claude, the summary goes to ChatGPT, Perplexity checks the facts, and a final pass makes it all sound human. Lee Ann and Gretchen open Episode 014 inside that meeting, then ask the question underneath it: with all this saved time, where are the hours going?</p><p></p><p>Along the way: a ninety-minute punch list that could have taken three, a grocery-store shopper consulting a chatbot instead of the label, an executive’s inbox filling with writing that has no one inside it, and the practice both hosts land on, cognitive hygiene, deciding intentionally what stays yours.<br /></p><p><b>CHAPTERS</b>:</p><p>00:00 Cold open: a strategy meeting run through four AIs </p><p>02:23 What did all of that save us? </p><p>03:28 The simplicity trap and the prettiest list </p><p>05:04 In the grocery aisle: just read the label </p><p>05:59 Trying it on: transition or new habit? </p><p>06:42 Dueling chatbots and outsourced conversation </p><p>07:50 On a coaching call: the email with no one inside it </p><p>10:01 Sunday driving: where the tools serve and where they extract </p><p>11:33 Abundant analysis, scarce attention </p><p>12:55 Cognitive hygiene and cognitive boundaries </p><p>13:36 Who are we at core? The leadership brand question </p><p>15:00 The invitation: slowly, slowly, suddenly </p><p>16:01 Take it for a Sunday drive<br /></p><p><b>ABOUT THE HOSTS:</b></p><p>Lee Ann Del Carpio is the founder of Deeply Human, Inc. and the Center for Deeply Human Leadership. With 25+ years guiding senior leaders through transformation in healthcare, biotech, and complex systems, she helps leaders reawaken relational wisdom, discernment, and the ability to shape systems that serve life.</p><p><br /></p><p>Gretchen Terry-Leonard is the Chief Strategy & Impact Officer of the Center for Deeply Human Leadership and author of Your Second Prime: Does Aging Suck or Do We Suck at Aging? She brings 26 Health Equity Fellowships, a published policy brief with The Economist Impact Group, and a career of systems thinking to the defining question of this decade.</p><p></p><p></p><p>📬 Subscribe to The Deep Signal Newsletter: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://deeply-human.kit.com/b1bfa01738" target="_blank">https://deeply-human.kit.com/b1bfa01738</a> </p><p>🌐 Website: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.deeplyhumanleading.com" target="_blank">https://www.deeplyhumanleading.com</a></p><p></p><p></p>
June 30, 2026
You Can't Run a Business on One Banana: AI Monoculture and Model Collapse | 013
<p>When AI starts learning mostly from itself, where does anything genuinely new come from? Anthropic reported that more than 80 percent of Claude's code is now written by Claude, and a premier model vanished from the team's plans overnight. </p><p></p><p>Lee Ann and Gretchen use the humble banana to explain AI monoculture and model collapse: almost every banana we eat is a Cavendish, a near genetic clone that one disease could wipe out. </p><p></p><p>They get into the reflex to overtrust machines and undertrust humans, how</p><p>quality quietly erodes from good to "it'll do", and what the AI itself said when asked how it avoids becoming a clone of a clone. </p><p></p><p>The throughline: diversity is insurance you have to design in, across models, money, and the counsel you trust. </p><p></p><p><b>CHAPTERS:</b></p><p>00:00 Two things that knocked us offside</p><p>02:29 Why Gretchen's mind went to bananas</p><p>02:43 The Cavendish problem: one banana, one disease</p><p>05:31 You can't run a business on one banana</p><p>06:44 Blind spots and the autocorrect bias</p><p>08:21 Overtrust the machine, undertrust the human</p><p>09:22 Running out of naive data: getting high on your own supply</p><p>10:12 Where the AI constitution fits in</p><p>11:56 Asking the AI to confront itself</p><p>14:00 Variance has to come from outside the loop</p><p>15:47 Diversity is insurance, never a guarantee</p><p></p><p><b>ABOUT THE HOSTS:</b></p><p><b>Lee Ann Del Carpio </b>is CEO and Founder of Deeply Human and Founder of the Center for Deeply Human Leadership. </p><p></p><p><b>Gretchen Terry-Leonard</b> is Co-Founder and Chief Strategy and Impact Officer of CDHL and author of Your Second Prime.</p><p></p><p><b>WEBSITE</b>: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://deeplyhumanleading.com" target="_blank">deeplyhumanleading.com</a></p><p><b>NEWSLETTER (The Deep Signal):</b> <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://deeply-human.kit.com/b1bfa01738" target="_blank">https://deeply-human.kit.com/b1bfa01738</a></p>
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<p>AI is transforming every industry. But the leaders deploying it are being asked to change faster than any model prepared them for.</p><p></p><p>Deeply Human Leading is a weekly podcast for leaders navigating the gap between the intelligence they're deploying and the human capacity to lead alongside it.</p><p></p><p>Hosted by Lee Ann Del Carpio and Gretchen Terry-Leonard — who've spent decades guiding leaders through disruption, complexity, and systems change — each episode explores what it takes to lead with clarity, courage, and discernment when the ground is shifting.</p><p></p><p>New episodes every Tuesday.</p><p></p><p>VISIT: <a rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="https://www.deeplyhumanleading.com" target="_blank">https://www.deeplyhumanleading.com</a></p> - How often does this podcast release new episodes?
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