Ep. 60: Ronak Malde, Trajectory CEO and Former DeepMind Researcher
Ronak Malde is the CEO of Trajectory (trajectory.ai), where he's working on bringing continual learning to enterprises. Before Trajectory, he worked on research at DeepMind and trained the SWE-1 model at Windsurf.Delta Institute (deltainstitutes.org) supports exceptional researchers and engineers, from academia to industry and beyond. They host technical events to bring great people together, a podcast that gives industry/academic leaders a platform to share their experiences, a small fellows program that builds a tight-knit community of exceptional people, and a grant program that provides compute/mentorship for research projects.Timestamps:00:00 Why RL Doesnt Scale00:40 Founder Story Trajectory01:16 Continual Learning Vision02:33 Product Signal As Reward03:47 Roadmap Three Stages05:02 Self Distillation Explained07:17 Building The SDK09:21 Customer Onboarding Example11:43 Control Plane Improvements12:50 Competition And Infrastructure15:03 Research Meets Product17:35 Self Serve Vs Services19:55 Leaving Labs To Found24:10 Hiring And Team Culture27:45 Scaling To Enterprises
28 May 2026
Ep. 59: Alex Shan, Judgment Labs CEO
Alex Shan is the CEO of Judgment Labs (judgmentlabs.ai), where he's working on building agent behavior monitoring infrastructure. Before Judgment, he worked at Juniper Networks and Stanford AI Lab.
Delta Institute (deltainstitutes.org) supports exceptional researchers and engineers, from academia to industry and beyond. They host technical events to bring great people together, a podcast that gives industry/academic leaders a platform to share their experiences, a small fellows program that builds a tight-knit community of exceptional people, and a grant program that provides compute/mentorship for research projects.Timestamps:00:00 Mission and Evals Focus00:30 Founder Background02:55 Childhood Co-Founders04:49 Stanford to Industry Pivot07:32 Juniper Agents Experience08:55 Founding Judgment Labs11:14 Why Existing Tools Fail13:23 Deep Agent Observability Model15:56 JudgeEval Open Core Strategy18:56 Evals Advice and Pitfalls23:24 Production Grounded Evals24:12 Rubric Discovery Signals25:06 Benchmarks That Evolve26:24 Legal Redlines Case Study27:22 From Edits To Rubrics30:40 Monitoring First Strategy32:09 Self Improving Agent Loop34:12 Competitive Differentiation36:13 Deep Context Evals42:43 Future Data Intelligence45:19 Closing Thoughts
28 May 2026
Ep. 58: Andrew Dai, Elorian CEO and Former DeepMind Research Director
Andrew Dai is the co-founder and CEO of Elorian, a new visual reasoning research and product lab. Before Elorian, Andrew was a research director at DeepMind, where he was the Gemini data area co-lead, PaLM 2 pre-training lead, and GLaM MoE LLM co-lead.Delta Institute (deltainstitutes.org) supports exceptional researchers and engineers, from academia to industry and beyond. They host technical events to bring great people together, a podcast that gives industry/academic leaders a platform to share their experiences, a small fellows program that builds a tight-knit community of exceptional people, and a grant program that provides compute/mentorship for research projects.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction00:16 Google Brain Origins01:22 From GPT Roots to Gemini02:20 Why Build Elorian03:57 Anthropic vs Gemini Vision04:48 Measuring Multimodal Quality06:08 Defining Visual AGI07:57 Building the Multimodal Lab09:41 Reasoning in Visual Space11:46 What Makes Models Better15:57 Research Milestones and Benchmarks18:09 How to Think Architecturally21:55 Go To Market and Verticals27:13 Where Accuracy Matters Most29:15 Defending Against Churn30:40 Think Big Closing Thoughts
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