Why Community-Focused Law Firms Are Winning in 2026 | Miriam Fisher
In this episode of Hot Docket, Andrew and Tara sit down with Miriam Fisher, Founder and CEO of Las Abogadas RVA, an immigration law firm based in Richmond, Virginia. With more than 20 years of experience in immigration law, Miriam shares how she built a thriving community-focused law firm that outperforms larger practices.
5 Mar 2026
Lawyers Debate Influencer Culture, SEO Warfare & “Gravlune” | Geoff Lowe vs. Stuart Rudner
In this episode, Canadian employment lawyers Stuart Rudner and Geoff Lowe of Rudner Law step into the arena for a marketing-meets-ethics showdown. The Wheel of Misfortune spins up hot topics including influencer culture, AI in law, Google Ads warfare, and whether brands should take a stance on social issues or stay comfortably neutral.
5 Dec 2025
Bobby Just LEFT? | Bobby vs. Andrew
Welcome back to Devil’s Advocate, where the only rule is that you must argue the side you definitely don’t believe. This week, chaos reaches new heights as hosts Bobby Steinbach and Andrew Nasrinpay turn the tables on themselves… going head-to-head in a no-mercy debate that jumps from a controversial book to the future of legal marketing.
6 Nov 2025
Lawyers DEBATE Divorce, S*X Work & Going VEGAN?! | Russell Knight vs. Rahul IyerRussell Knight vs. Rahul Iyer
This week on Devil's Advocate, Chicago divorce attorneys Russell Knight and Rahul Iyer battle it out over:
💔 Joint custody laws and mental health in divorce
💃 Sex work and marketing transparency
🌱 Whether EVERYONE should go plant-based to save the planet
3 Oct 2025
Lawyers Debate Kanye, Taylor Swift, Movies, and NURSING HOMES? Rob Schenk vs. Will Smith
This week on Devil’s Advocate, chaos meets courtroom logic as Will Smith and Rob Schenk go head-to-head on some of the legal world’s quirkiest and thorniest questions. From strict liability in nursing homes to whether $15,000 is actually a fair price for a law firm website, no topic is safe.
5 Sept 2025
Lawyers Debate Burgers, Censorship & Clout | Adam Rossen vs. Derek Martin | Devil’s Advocate
Chicago grit meets South Florida heat this week on Devil’s Advocate, as Derek Martin and Adam Rossen square off on censorship, cheeseburgers, clout, and credibility… and things get hot—“South Florida hot.”
On today’s show, we’re debating medium-spicy topics from fast food regulation to whether lawyers should be TikTok famous (spoiler: probably not).
But the chaos didn’t stop there… Derek and Adam put their imagination to the test by inventing a definition for the totally made-up word “plorish.”
Call it comedy, call it courtroom training—just don’t call it credible legal advice.
🔥 Highlights from the Showdown
🗣️ Social Media Censorship or Free Speech?
Adam argued for curbing harmful content to protect society, while Derek fired back that moderation’s a slippery slope. The real question: do you trust big tech or the wisdom of the crowd?
🍔 Fast Food Freedom vs. Regulation Nation
Should the government police your burger habit? Derek says protect public health, Adam says keep the McNuggets coming (Walmart scooters included).
📱 Are Influencers the New Celebrities?
Adam insists TikTokers have star power. Derek says real fame takes more than selfies and pranks.
⚖️ Lawyers on Social Media: Credible or Corny?
Is going viral a marketing edge or a professional risk? Both sides threw jabs at #LawTok.
🐙 Define: “Plorish”
The only definition battle you’ll ever want to witness.
Final Verdict:
Call it a hung jury: Derek roasted influencers, Adam defended fast food freedom, and somehow “plorish” left us all questioning reality.
Psst! Got a devilish topic you want our guests to debate in a future episode? Comment of DM us with #DevilsAdvocate or send us a smoke signal. Or just email us like a normal person at bark@meanpug.com.
Subscribe to MeanPug Digital on YouTube & turn on notifications so you don’t miss a debate: https://www.youtube.com/@meanpugdigital
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New episodes of Devil’s Advocate dropping every month! Come for the chaos, stay for the accidental insight.
Featured Guests:
Adam Rossen, CEO & Founding Attorney, Rossen Law Firm
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamrossen
Website: https://www.rossenlawfirm.com
Derek Martin, Owner & Managing Partner, Driver Defense Team
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/derekpmartin
Website: https://www.driverdefenseteam.com
1 Aug 2025
Law Partners Debate Everything | John v. Keith
Welcome back to Devil’s Advocate, the show where legal debate meets comedic chaos! In this episode, we’re putting two partners from the Richmond Vona law firm, John Richmond and Keith Vona, through our signature debate gauntlet.
This week, we’re debating everything from Google Ads ethics (should you bid on a competitor’s name?) to whether lowering legal fees is noble… or dangerously naive.
And of course, it wouldn’t be Devil’s Advocate without a ridiculous twist: each of our guests must define a completely fake word. If you’ve ever wanted to hear two sharp trial lawyers debate plastic straws, insurance companies, and the true meaning of “verdantine,” buckle up.
Let’s spin the wheel and see where the chaos takes us!
Highlights from the Showdown:
🤼🏽♂️ SEO Smackdown: Is It King or Just Table Stakes?
John and Keith flip the script on law firm marketing. One argues SEO is the holy grail—while secretly believing it's overhyped. Cue: BBQs vs. backlinks, and one very passionate rant about Google.
📊 Billboards vs. Digital Niches
Both say go niche, go digital. But are lawyers turning into full-on marketers? (Spoiler: yes—and they kind of love it.)
🥤 Plastic Straws: Misunderstood Heroes?
No one said ban them. Somewhere, a coffee shop silently rejoiced.
Also Debated (with Questionable Logic):
Should you ever settle when you could trial-by-fire it instead?
Is NYC making you gritty or just too dependent on Seamless?
And are lawyers now expected to be content creators, too?
BBQs, billboards, and the ethics of subway rage—all covered.
No CLE credit offered. Emotional damage? Possible.
Psst! Got a devilish topic you want our guests to debate in a future episode? Comment of DM us with #DevilsAdvocate or send us a smoke signal. Or just email us like a normal person at bark@meanpug.com (mailto:bark@meanpug.com).
Subscribe to MeanPug Digital on YouTube & turn on notifications so you don’t miss a debate: https://www.youtube.com/@meanpugdigital (https://www.youtube.com/@meanpugdigital)
Follow us on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/devils-advocate-lawyer-v-lawyer-game-show/id1813413142 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/devils-advocate-lawyer-v-lawyer-game-show/id1813413142)
New episodes of Devil’s Advocate dropping regularly(ish). Come for the chaos, stay for the accidental insight.
Featured Guests:
Keith Vona, Partner at Richmond Vona, LLC:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith-vona-41b6aa13 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith-vona-41b6aa13)
Website: https://www.richmondvona.com/our-attorneys/keith-r-vona (https://www.richmondvona.com/our-attorneys/keith-r-vona)
John Richmond, Partner at Richmond Vona, LLC:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-richmond-66421a12 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-richmond-66421a12)
Website: https://www.richmondvona.com/our-attorneys/john-e-richmond (https://www.richmondvona.com/our-attorneys/john-e-richmond)
7 Jul 2025
LAWYER vs. Marketer: Who Wins the World’s WEIRDEST Debate? | Ft. Bob Simon & Chris Dreyer
Bob Simon and Chris Dreyer engage in a spirited debate covering business strategies and even fast food preferences, offering insights into diverse perspectives in this interview episode.
10 Jun 2025
Battle of the R's: Two Legal Marketers Debating OATMEAL and KANYE?! | Ft. Ryan Macris and Ron Latz
Marketing professionals Ryan Macris and Ron Latz debate controversial topics, including AI in law and Google Ads, while arguing the opposite of their beliefs in this interview episode.
6 May 2025
Lawyer vs. Lawyer | The Wheel Spins, the Lawyers Lie, and “Dravish” Is Born ft. Morris Lilienthal and Erik Heninger
Welcome to Devil’s Advocate—a business podcast for lawyers, marketers, and mischief-makers where the arguments are unserious, the comedy’s questionable, and chaos is the business model. Hosted by Bobby and Andrew of MeanPug, this show throws real lawyers into fake debates with one rule: you must argue the exact opposite of what you actually believe. If that sounds ridiculous—it is. That’s the point.
In our diabolical debut episode, two brave souls—Morris Lilienthal and Erik Heninger—step into the inferno. The catch? They’ve got to debate red-hot topics with one major twist: they’re arguing the opposite of what they actually believe. Chaos? Absolutely. Comedy? Obviously. Educational? ...Debatable.
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