Do Human Work is a forward-looking exploration of the future of cybersecurity through the lens of AI with an emphasis on enabling people to do work that’s creative, meaningful, and strategic. Each episode highlights people, their time, and how AI can empower us to focus on what matters most in cybersecurity operations.
What Deserves to Survive in Security featuring Ray Espinoza
Ray Espinoza cut false positives 80% at Workday and alert volume 70% at Atmosera, fighting alert fatigue years before the industry had a name for it.
Now leading information security at Elite Technology, after building eBay's first global security event response team and Workday's first customer-facing SOC, he argues that AI has finally caught up to that fight. Nate Burke and Lior Div catch him at Black Hat 2026, where the conversation swings into the Hugging Face sandbox scare and open-weight models handing nation-state capability to any threat actor with a laptop.
Impactful Moments
00:00 - Introduction 02:25 - Meet Ray Espinoza: CISO, Coach, Mentor 04:05 - From Keeping eBay Alive to Defending It 05:55 - The Parallels Between Coaching Football and Running Security 09:50 - What Hasn't Changed Since the Dot Com Days13:20 - Inside the Hugging Face Incident and Sandbox Escapes 18:20 - "This Has to Be the Worst Version of Myself Here Today" 20:45 - The Alert Fatigue Lesson: Why Turning Everything On Backfired 23:45 - From Pyramid to Loop: Building Self-Improving Security 25:50 - Is AI Finally the Weapon That Ends Alert Fatigue? 27:10 - What Should Stay Human, No Matter How Good AI Gets 28:40 - The Magic Wand Question: More Time in the Pacific Northwest 29:45 - Ray's Cybersecurity Bucket List
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25 Aug 2026
Fifteen Months Away: What Stepping Back Teaches Leaders featuring Matt Sharp
Matt Sharp walked away from cybersecurity for fifteen months, hiked the Camino, trekked to Everest Base Camp, and came back to an industry that had rewritten itself while he was gone.
Now CISO at Xactly, co-author of The CISO Evolution, and a top 20 finalist for TIME's CISO of the Year, he argues the gap in security leadership was never technical skill. It was the ability to read a financial statement. Recorded on location at Black Hat with Nate Burke and Lior Div, the conversation also turns to China's open-weight model releases: nation-state capability, handed to every ransomware group with a laptop.
Impactful Moments
00:00 – Introduction00:30 – Why Black Hat is the show that matters01:15 – Taking over the Sphere in Vegas02:15 – Fifteen months off, and a non-stick pan commercial04:30 – The echo chamber nobody could actually execute on06:15 – The empty RSA session that became a book07:00 – Why books can't keep pace with AI anymore09:15 – Empathy as an antidote to vendor noise10:15 – SOC 2 and the collapse of traditional bona fides12:15 – What changes when you leave the industry13:45 – China's open-weight models as a weapons transfer17:15 – PLAID: people-led, AI-driven19:00 – AI-native versus SaaS, 24 hours versus six months20:30 – Twenty-five percent of your time back, and the river24:00 – The AI classifier they built and never shipped
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30 Jul 2026
Rethinking Cybersecurity's Foundations for the AI Era featuring Jatarra Warren
Season Two of Do Human Work opens with Jatarra Warren, Senior Director of Information Security at Lovesac, tracing her journey from teaching soldiers how to trust battlefield communication systems in the Army National Guard, straight into cybersecurity leadership.
Ninety days into her new role, she talks candidly about the humility-and-confidence balance required to lead a team you don't yet fully understand, why AI is forcing security teams to finally fix the foundations they've been skipping, and why fighting AI-driven attackers still comes down to the same basic controls that mattered a decade ago.
She's also a certified life coach, and makes the case that coaching, not code, is the skill security leaders need most right now. It's a reminder that in security, the hardest skill to automate is still the ability to lead people through change.
Impactful Moments:
00:00 – Introduction01:25 – Why season two: rethinking cybersecurity from the foundations up01:55 – Meet Jatarra Warren, Senior Director of Information Security at Lovesac02:30 – The Foundation segment: Jatarra’s origin story from Army National Guard to cyber04:00 – What teaching soldiers to trust life-or-death tech taught her about security07:50 – The hardest jump: military discipline meets corporate culture shock10:50 – Why AI won't remove the human element from security12:20 – Fighting fire with fire: using AI to counter AI-powered attackers17:00 – PLAID (People-Led AI Driven) and leading teams through change with empathy18:40 – Mythos, vulnerability management, and getting the basics right first23:00 – 90 days into Jatarra’s job at Lovesac: leading new territory with humility and confidence30:15 – Life coaching, ministry roots, and leadership as influence34:00 – Lightning round: best security book everyone should read, best Tampa food, and couch vs. desk
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