Welcome to Dr. & Mrs., where a psychologist and an artist — married for 15 years — talk honestly (and often hilariously) about what it really takes to stay connected, curious, and in love later in life.
They met in their 50s, blended families, brought all the baggage, and built something lasting. Now, they're pulling back the curtain on marriage, midlife, intimacy, conflict, aging, growth, and everything in between.
This isn't therapy. But it's probably the conversation you didn't know you needed.
Real talk. Real marriage. Real life. New episodes bi-weekly — on Spotify and YouTube.
The Inner Critic: Who's really talking in your head??
In this episode of Dr. & Mrs., we explore the voice in our heads that can encourage us one minute and tear us down the next: the inner critic. We talk about self-doubt, old stories, perfectionism, and whether marriage helps quiet the harsh voice in our heads—or sometimes makes it louder.
We also look at how a loving partner can challenge the negative narratives we carry, and whether that inner critic is really trying to protect us or control us. At its worst, the inner critic can turn into a total demon—distorting the truth, feeding insecurity, and shaping the way we show up in our relationships.
This episode is about how that voice affects confidence, connection, and the way we see ourselves. Dr. & Mrs. is where psychology meets art, honesty, humor, and real conversations about love, marriage, and staying connected.
3 Apr 2026
Act In, Don't Act Out in Relationships
Do you act in — or do you act out in your relationship?
Most people would say they'd never cross a line. But what about the exchange you told yourself was just friendly? The attention you enjoyed a little too much? The coffee shop moment that was honestly way more than coffee?
In this episode, Dr. Gary Penn and Jeannine Chanin Penn get into one of the most honest — and uncomfortable — conversations in relationships. What happens when something is missing and instead of facing it, we find ways around it. Dr. Penn breaks down why we act out instead of in: self-sabotage, fear of the truth, the slow drift away from honest communication. Plus jealousy, boundaries, comfort zones, and how to communicate when your partner isn't great at communicating back.
This one might make you squirm a little. That's the point.
🎙️ Episode: "Act In, Don't Act Out" is live on YouTube, Spotify & Apple Podcasts
Tell us: have you ever talked yourself into believing something was innocent — when you knew it wasn't?
20 Feb 2026
Episode 4: The Costco Test: Special Episode with Friends
The Costco Test: Special Episode with Friends is our first-ever guest episode — and we couldn't have picked a better couple to kick it off. We're joined by our friends Jessica and Pash for a conversation that's equal parts profound and fun, exploring what keeps love steady, what keeps it spicy, and the everyday "tests" that reveal who you really are together. Plus: rapid-fire questions, real laughs, and a few truths you'll be inspired by.
🎙️ Episode: "The Costco Test: Special Episode with Friends" Live on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.
4 Feb 2026
Are Men the Weaker Sex?
Are Men the Weaker Sex?
Does the pressure to "be strong" actually make men weaker?
In this episode, Dr. Gary Penn and Jeannine Chanin Penn unpack what strength really looks like in modern relationships—why some men are floundering, how overcompensating can become a chase for validation, and why trying to "crush" your partner is never strength.
We also get into the questions couples wrestle with:
Are men and women supposed to be equal—and what does "equal" look like day to day? Do traditional values still matter? And in dating, how often do confidence, self-assurance, and real happiness actually show up?
🎙️ Episode: "Are Men the Weaker Sex?" is live on YouTube + Spotify — link in bio.
Drop your take: What does "strength" look like to you in a relationship?
22 Jan 2026
Fighting for Not Against Each Other
When you're in the middle of an argument, it's easy to get laser-focused on winning—proving your point, landing the final word, protecting your pride. But the person across from you isn't the enemy… they're the one who knows how to steady you, soften you, and help you heal.
In this episode, Dr. Gary Penn and Jeannine Chanin Penn talk about what it means to fight for each other, not against each other—how to stay on the same team when emotions run high, how to repair faster, and how to turn conflict into connection instead of collateral damage.
Listen in, laugh with us, and take one new tool into your next hard moment—so love wins more often than ego.
2 Jan 2026
Doctor and Mrs Episode 1
In their first episode, Dr. Gary Penn and Jeannine Chanin Penn share the story of how they met in their 50s — when love wasn't exactly easy to find. They talk about the realities of dating later in life, the emotional baggage we all bring, the mysterious "8 date rule," and what it really means to feel like you've come home to someone. It's honest, funny, and a little miraculous — just like the love story they never saw coming. Listen in, laugh with us, and maybe reflect on your own version of home.
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