Drew and Dan in the Morning

About Drew and Dan in the Morning

Dan and Drew talk tech, projects, problems and Apple pie.

Publisher

Drew Benson and Dan O'Leary

Category

business · technology

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

20 Apr 2026

Latest episode

28 Sept 2026

Latest episodes

12 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   28 Sept 2026

   Making a Press Kit

   Claude’s hang-up, Nvidia / Hugging Face news, Press Kits in depth, building with Kickstart or Claude, when to send, and clipping campaigns. Vitamin B2 - Riboflavin! Chapters 00:00 Welcome! 00:10 Riboflavin linked to lower dementia risk 01:01 Nvidia buys Hugging Face 02:20 Why you NEED a press kit 04:16 Mercury Weather's press kit 06:37 Building with Kickstart and hosting hurdles 09:06 Building a press kit with Claude 11:34 People don't browse for apps anymore 12:31 When to send your press kit 16:18 Clipping campaigns and influencer marketing 18:58 Claude can hang up on you Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Github (https://github.com/drewster99) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: How to Make an App Press Kit (https://www.kickstart.tools/blog/how-to-make-an-app-press-kit-journalists-actually-open) Mercury Weather Press Kit (https://mercuryweather.app/press/) Kickstart Press Kit (https://www.kickstart.tools/press) PhotoCal AI Press Kit (https://photocal.ai/press/) The Midst Press Kit (https://www.themidstapp.com/press) Riboflavin Cuts Dementia Risk by Half (https://apple.news/ARFFpELD9TmWoWwzUt_6Bcw) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

2. 

   6 Sept 2026

   Watermarked, banned, and denied

   NYC ditches AI in classrooms, Anthropic quietly watermarks Claude's every word and code it writes, and Dyson wants $499 to let a camera into your mouth. Drew and Dan dig a little to get a better sense of who Apple’s new CEO, John Ternus, really is. (Drew has a list of bugs waiting for him!) Is the Apple Upgrade (lease) program with Klarna a bait-and-switch? The AI boom turned a $5K Mac Studio into an $11K one. Chapters 00:00 Welcome 00:26 NYC Schools Ban Generative AI 04:00 Anthropic Watermarks Claude Text 11:05 Does AI Use Count as Research? 16:36 Why Students Still Need Fundamentals 21:00 Dyson's $499 AI Toothbrush 24:16 Meet New Apple CEO John Ternus 29:11 Hopes for Hardware-First Apple 33:36 Apple's Nagging Software Bugs 44:56 Foldable Phone and Touchscreen Mac Rumors 53:43 Klarna Lease Denial Mystery 1:00:42 AI Boom Inflates Hardware Prices Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Github (https://github.com/drewster99) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: NYC public schools bans AI (https://apnews.com/article/zohran-mamdani-ai-ban-nyc-schools-647f6a968eea0399521b7934418b1aff) Ctrl-Alt-Speech Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ctrl-alt-speech/id1734530193) Anthropic text watermarking (https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-text-watermark) Dyson CameraJet (https://www.dyson.com/discover/news/latest/introducing-camerajet) John Ternus 1993 High School pic (https://siprep.slickpic.com/albums/_1993/photos/10894885/00000022/?squared) Klarna Apple Leasing (https://www.reddit.com/r/MacStudio/comments/1w49aya/anyone_manage_to_get_a_klarna_lease_on_a_m5_ultra/) issues Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

3. 

   26 Aug 2026

   Dan's glasses (and other things)

   Today we discuss user feedback, Dan's glasses, smart glasses, subscription fatigue, Apple's new hardware leasing program, Swift Dictionary key surprises and the challenges of the Apple TV remote feature on iPhone. Plus tips for crafting a great Press Kit for your app. Chapters 00:00 Welcome to Episode 10! 00:59 Dan's Glasses - and other user feedback 06:31 Subscription fatigue and sustainable app pricing 12:29 Syncing subscriptions with your own server 15:08 Swift Dictionaries - key surprises! 28:08 Xcode 27 resizable window support 28:56 Apple's new leasing program 32:24 Tips for your app's Press Kit + competitor analysis 36:22 Drew's Apple TV iPhone Remote app frustrations 40:32 Wrap up Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Github (https://github.com/drewster99) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: ObjectIdentifier (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/swift/objectidentifier) How to Make an App Press Kit (https://www.kickstart.tools/blog/how-to-make-an-app-press-kit-journalists-actually-open) App Store Competitor Analysis (https://www.kickstart.tools/blog/app-store-competitor-analysis-how-to-spy-on-your-rivals) Mercury Weather’s Press Kit (https://mercuryweather.app/press/) Apple Upgrade (leasing) (https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

4. 

   15 Aug 2026

   App Intents and 737 Hacks

   How Dan is implementing App Intents and App Entities in The Midst iOS app, integration of Siri AI features for iOS 27, plus a coin-sized device that can hack a Boeing 737 Chapters 00:00 Welcome! 00:54 Integrating App Intents in The Midst 01:51 Minimum Deployment Target and User Base 03:19 Implementing Siri AI Features 04:02 "Hey Siri, check me in with The Midst" 07:30 Letting Siri search saved places and talk back 13:02 Duplicate SwiftData schemas wipe out years of check-ins 16:29 CloudKit saves the day! 17:27 Syncing with CloudKit 20:15 More Siri integration 22:25 Siri result cards with App Intents 29:51 Yikes! Coin-sized device spoofs Boeing 737 FMC and MCDU systems Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Github (https://github.com/drewster99) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: App Intents (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appintents?changes=_9_9,_9_9) Unicorn Chat (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppIntents/integrating-your-messaging-app-with-apple-intelligence?changes=_9_9,_9_9&language=objc,objc) The Midst (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/the-midst/id6593661633) Making app entities available in Spotlight (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appintents/making-app-entities-available-in-spotlight?changes=_9_9,_9_9) Coin-sized device can hack a Boeing 737 (https://apple.news/AOJ-ml9zFQVKFHtPrI41Xvw) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

5. 

   30 Jul 2026

   Shipping Relay Team Finder, OpenAI hacks Hugging Face, Agent Smith safety harness

   Dan ships Relay Team Finder, OpenAI’s hacks Hugging Face, Drew's open source Agent Smith structured agent safety harness, and how to price your app. Chapters: 00:00 France bans social's for under-15s 00:38 App Store social media questions 01:54 Inside the Declared Age Range API 07:03 OpenAI hacks Hugging Face 15:11 Paperclips 17:03 Agent Smith: Structured safety harness 25:30 The Coffee Test - how to price your app 29:40 Dan ships Relay Team Finder 36:29 Build by Tony Fadell Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Github (https://github.com/drewster99) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: Declared Age Range API (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/declaredagerange) Deliver age-appropriate experiences in your app (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/299) (WWDC25) ExploitGym (https://github.com/sunblaze-ucb/exploitgym) on Github OpenAI's hack of Hugging Face Post-mortem (https://huggingface.co/blog/agent-intrusion-technical-timeline) Anthropic’s Constitution (https://www.anthropic.com/constitution) Drew’s macOS Agent Smith (https://github.com/drewster99/macos-agent-smith) Paul Hudson’s How to price an app: the coffee test (https://www.kickstart.tools/blog/how-to-price-an-app-the-coffee-test) Relay Team Finder (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/relay-team-finder/id6759193830) Tony Fadel’s book, Build (https://www.amazon.com/Build-Unorthodox-Guide-Making-Things/dp/0063046067) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

6. 

   13 Jul 2026

   The Cost of Our Tools: How much is too much?

   When a useful tool asks for too much? Drew and Dan trace the new reality of AI identity verification, age-verification laws, anonymity, who you'd trust to hold your ID, and Drew's saga of getting flagged and verified. PLUS: The best way to localize your app into 35+ languages. Chapters • 00:00  Icon Composer fix • 02:56  AI + politics • 06:53  Identity verification and the Hawthorne Effect • 09:23  Nothing to hide • 15:48  Who holds the keys? (Persona) • 22:14  Localizing your app into 35 languages • 27:02  Accessibility & becoming dependent on your tools • 29:34  Privacy tradeoff: What's the solution? • 35:08  Drew's Claude refusal & the Cyber Verification Program • 42:59  Weird Private Cloud Compute limits Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Github (https://github.com/drewster99) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: Icon Composer 2 (https://developer.apple.com/icon-composer/) Drew’s LocalizationSuperPrompt.md (http://LocalizationSuperPrompt.md) Cyber Verification Program (https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14604842-real-time-cyber-safeguards-on-claude-opus-and-sonnet) Anthropic Identity Verification (https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14328960-identity-verification-on-claude) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

7. 

   26 Jun 2026

   News You Can Use

   "Apps violating guidelines may face removal from the store." Fresh App Store changes, Performance Improvement Plans, Icon Composer 2 tips and gotchas. New Hide My Email problems, group and volume subscriptions, moving subscription handling to your server and loss of App Store Connect's Trends tab. Chapters 00:00  Intro 02:14  Apple's crackdown on early review prompts 04:05  Removing App Store "clutter" 08:47  Developer Performance Improvement Plans 13:28  Icon Composer gotchas and tips 17:41  Problematic changes to Sign in with Apple & Hide My Email 22:38  Group & volume subscriptions 30:54  Moving StoreKit handling to your server 38:48  App Store Connect loses Trends tab?! 41:20  Wrap-up Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Github (https://github.com/drewster99) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: Grandma’s Marathon (https://grandmasmarathon.com/) App Review Guidelines (https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/) WWDC 2024 App Store server APIs (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2024/10062) WWDC 2026 Group subscriptions (https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2026/391) Icon Composer 2 (https://developer.apple.com/icon-composer/) Relay Team Finder (TestFlight beta) (https://testflight.apple.com/join/DR5D9kSW) The Midst (app) (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/the-midst/id6593661633) OpenAI omni-moderation API (https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/moderation) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

8. 

   9 Jun 2026

   WWDC26 Special Delivery

   Drew and Dan chat about WWDC 2026: Parental controls, Siri improvements, Liquid Glass’ new volume knob, Foundation Models enhancements, MacOS Golden Gate, enhancements to Swift, SwiftUI, Xcode and more. Plus, saying goodbye (to UIDesignRequiresCompatibility and Intel Macs). Chapters 00:00 WWDC 2026 Keynote Overview 03:03 Liquid Glass gets a Volume Knob 05:59 Child Protection Features and Parental Controls 08:52 Siri Improvements and User Experience 11:53 New Features in macOS Golden Gate 14:51 Apple Intelligence and Foundation Models 17:56 Swift UI and Observable Properties 23:24 Enhancements in Swift and Swift UI 27:11 Exploring Xcode 27 and Watch OS Development 29:22 Understanding App Intents and Schemas 32:23 Platform Improvements and Accessibility Challenges 36:18 Transitioning to New Technologies and Features Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) Drew’s YouTube live stream coding channel, @DrewBensonCodes (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: WWDC 2026 Keynote (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF8swzNR1-o) WWDC 2026 Platforms State of the Union (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2jsIoMfDU) Donny Wals on The Difference between Macros and Property Wrappers (https://www.donnywals.com/whats-the-difference-between-macros-and-property-wrappers/) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

9. 

   7 Jun 2026

   Data-Nuking Prompt Injection

   Drew and Dan explore how a single line of text in a public repo can ruin your day, what happens when AI coding agents go off the rails near your data, and the thorny questions of AI safety and ethics. Google has bad news for back-button hijackers. Drew shares lessons learned and challenges from making his apps accessible, and the two get into how optimizing for the wrong metric can quietly steer AI somewhere nobody intended. Chapters 00:00 Google Punishing Back-Button Hijackers 02:31 Data Nuking Prompt Injection 12:43 App Accessibility Lessons and Challenges 20:48 AI Metrics and Unintended Consequences Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) Drew’s YouTube live stream coding channel, @DrewBensonCodes (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/)blog Mentioned in this episode: Google Punishing Back-Button Hijacking (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/04/websites-that-hijack-your-back-button-must-stop-by-june-15-or-face-googles-wrath/) - Google’s policy (https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2026/04/back-button-hijacking) Data Nuking Prompt Injection (https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/05/fed-up-with-vibe-coders-dev-sneaks-data-nuking-prompt-injection-into-their-code/) Accessibility Nutrition Labels (https://developer.apple.com/help/app-store-connect/manage-app-accessibility/overview-of-accessibility-nutrition-labels) Drew’s MacOS Agent Smith (https://github.com/drewster99/macos-agent-smith) agent harness Drew’s Sight Words: First Words Match (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/sight-words-first-words-match/id6499176211) app Drew’s FunVoice Reverse Audio Singing (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/funvoice-reverse-audio-singing/id6753986607) app Goodhart’s Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Deezer (https://www.deezer.com/en/show/1002939341)

10. 

    28 May 2026

    Beyond the button: Sign in with Apple, Server-Side Up

    App types and activities Apple prohibits in their App Review Guidelines, App Store ratings and reviews, best practices for keeping in touch with your customers, the use of the GitAPI MacOS app for testing endpoints, and a deep dive into Sign in with Apple, detailing the app-side integration as well as the server-side setup. Chapters 00:00 Welcome back! 00:43 App Store review/rating guidelines 04:00 Triggering the review prompt: what not to do 09:01 Tool of the week: GetAPI (and why not Postman) 13:00 Sign In With Apple: the app part 18:25 The missing manual: SIWA on the server 21:40 You only get the email ONCE 23:55 Bearer tokens, keychain, and the 2nd launch 31:35 Dan's Gotcha 32:21 Win-back emails and "Hide My Email" trickiness 33:42 Thanks! Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) Drew’s YouTube live stream coding channel, @DrewBensonCodes (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Swift on the Server blog, Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/) Mentioned in this episode: App Review Guidelines (https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/) Apple Human Interface Guidelines (https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/) Requesting App Store reviews (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/storekit/requesting-app-store-reviews) (sample code) GetAPI (https://getapi.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqXeIjGZc9B5WrbRxavoE0GX821FLhpSZXMSshzlKRiHAT8RZf6)(dead-simple HTTP client) Fork (https://git-fork.com) (Dan's preferred Git GUI app) Sign in with Apple using SwiftUI and Vapor (https://certainlyswift.com/siwa-swiftui-vapor/) Sign in with Apple REST API (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/signinwithapplerestapi) Vapor (https://vapor.codes) (Swift on the server) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993)

11. 

    17 May 2026

    Scandal! + UI (AI?) Accessibility

    Drew and Dan talk about the shocking new China scandal, app review guidelines, animating SF symbols, and the importance of app accessibility. Drew makes a bold prediction about WWDC 2026. Chapters 00:00 Scandal! 02:58 App Review Guidelines update 06:03 Dan's Dazzling Discoveries: Animating SF Symbols 08:53 App Accessibility 11:29 Accessibility Nutrition Labels and The Bold Prediction 14:39 App Intents vs Accessibility Labels 20:18 Preparing for WWDC 2026: Accessibility and Nutrition Labels 28:07 Final Thoughts and To-Do List Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) Drew’s YouTube live stream coding channel, @DrewBensonCodes (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Dan’s Swift on the Server blog, Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/) Links for things mentioned in this episode: Drew's MacOS Accessibility Client on Github (https://github.com/drewster99/macos-accessibility-client) WWDC 2026 (https://developer.apple.com/wwdc26/) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Thanks for joining us!

12. 

    20 Apr 2026

    Aspiring Finishers

    Drew and Dan break down real-world software development—what’s working, what’s not, and where things are going. Topics range from app development and AI to conference takeaways (Deep Dish Swift), technical deep dives, and the occasional detour into reverse engineering and industry absurdities. Practical, opinionated, and grounded in actual experience. Chapters 00:00 Hello! 06:13 App Development and AI 11:58 Deep Dish Swift Conference 19:04 Technical Insights and Challenges 26:10 Reverse Engineering and Humorous Presentations Finding Drew: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/thedrewbenson.bsky.social) X / Twitter (https://x.com/thedrewbenson?s=21) Finding Dan: Bluesky (https://bsky.app/profile/danoleary.me) Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/devdanoleary) Links for things mentioned in this episode: Dan’s new Swift blog, Certainly Swift (https://certainlyswift.com/) Drew’s YouTube live stream coding channel, @DrewBensonCodes (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewBensonCodes) 9 to 5 Mac’s story on 4-star reviews:App Store ratings ‘broken’ as your 4-star review could hurt a developer (https://9to5mac.com/2026/04/20/app-store-ratings-broken-as-your-4-star-review-could-hurt-a-developer/) Dan’s social check-in (and Swarm replacement) app,, The Midst (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/the-midst/id6593661633) Relay Team Finder - releasing in August  - for Aspiring Finishers Deep Dish Swift 2026 (https://deepdishswift.com/) Adam Tow (https://tow.com/) and his great talk on being adaptable, The Long Game: 30+ Years as an Indie Apple Developer (https://www.youtube.com/live/HzbDJL0_yLY?si=QaAGrDx-b32KcDxw&t=7706) David Beck (https://davidbeck.co/)’s talk, Surviving in Low Connectivity (https://www.youtube.com/live/-m5h2jXPp54?si=JUFmxTyLm4SEQNxS&t=4147) Chad Etzel (https://www.jazzyapps.com/)’s awesome talk on Reverse Engineering the macOS Genie Animation (https://www.youtube.com/live/-m5h2jXPp54?si=0B7dfyD9rsoVd4Ol&t=22189) Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on: Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drew-and-dan-in-the-morning/id1894918993) Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0ZQTN7VeJ8NrxhlLksWK70) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DrewAndDanMorning) Overcast (https://overcast.fm/itunes1894918993) Thanks for joining us!

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