Welcome to Early Echoes, where we dive into the profound world of Pre & Perinatal Psychology. Join us as we explore how early life experiences shape our well being today through heartfelt conversations with experts. Whether you're a professional, a curious learner, or seeking to understand human development, our podcast offers inspiration and deep insights. Tune in to uncover the secrets and stories of our earliest echoes.
Episode 11: Healing after a Stillbirth with Rose Pearce, BN, RCST®
Rose was first introduced to Pre & Perinatal work andthen Biodynamic Craniosacral Therapy through personal loss.
In this episode Rose tells the story of how she found hope and healing after a stillbirth. It is quite and amazing journey and I can’t wait for you to hear it.
Here are the books Rose references in this episode
Books:
Spirit Babies: How to Communicate with the Child You'reMeant to Have
by Walter Makichen (https://www.amazon.ca/Walter-Makichen/e/B001HCYV3C/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1)
Welcoming Consciousness: Supporting Babies' Wholenessfrom the Beginning of Life–An Integrated Model of Early Development
by Wendy Anne McCarty PhD RN (https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_ebooks_1?ie=UTF8&field-author=Wendy+Anne+McCarty+PhD+RN&text=Wendy+Anne+McCarty+PhD+RN&sort=relevancerank&search-alias=digital-text)
When Time Stands Still by Rose Pearce, BN, RCST®
You can find Rose at https://healingseedscst.wordpress.com (https://healingseedscst.wordpress.com)
You can find out more about me at jennifersong.ca
30 Apr 2026
Episode 10: Cherionna Menzam-Sills - The Prenatal Shadow
My esteemed guest today is Cherionna Menzam-Sills, ….whois actually a fellow Canadian.
She is the second person ever to receive a Ph.D. in Pre& Perinatal Psychology
In 2025 she was inducted into the Hallof Honor for Prenatal and Perinatal Sciences (https://ppphallofhonororg.wordpress.com/new-inductees/)
She is a Biodynamic Craniosacral Therapist, Teacher and Supervisor
She is a Continuum teacher, a womb surround process workshopfacilitator
She studied extensively with Dr. Ray Castelliono and Dr.William Emerson
She is Certified in BodyMind Psychotherapy and AuthenticMovement
She is also an Occupational Therapist, Massage Therapistand Dance/Movement Psychotherapist
Cherionna has authored 3 books.
Her first book is “The Breath of Life – An Introductionto Craniosacral Biodynamics”
Her 2nd book, “Spirit into Form – Exploring EmbryologicalPotential & Prenatal Psychology”
Her most recent book is “The Prenatal Shadow – Healing theTraumas Experienced Before and at Birth”
Her precise understanding of Craniosacral Biodynamics hasbeen augmented by her relationship with her late husband Biodyamic Craniosacral pioneer Franklyn Sills.
Cherionna lives in Devon, England where she has a privatepractice primarily focused on supervision and mentoring with a pre & perinatal perspective as well as holding small womb surround process workshops and offering online training and workshops primarily in prenatal and birth therapy.
Here are some links to find out more about Cherionna.
https://www.birthingyourlife.org
https://www.confer.uk.com/biogs/biog_menzam-sills.html (https://www.confer.uk.com/biogs/biog_menzam-sills.html)
https://ppphallofhonororg.wordpress.com/2025-hoh-inductees/ (https://ppphallofhonororg.wordpress.com/2025-hoh-inductees/)
https://www.ourbirthjourney.com/cherionna-menzam-sills
https://www.birthingyourlife.org (https://www.birthingyourlife.org)
https://www.resourcingyourlife.org/ (https://www.resourcingyourlife.org/)
13 Oct 2025
Episode 9: Scott Engler - diving deeper into the world of Pre & Perinatal Psychology.
Join me as we dive deeper into the world of Pre & Perinatal Psychology.
Listen and discover what brought Scott to this work and what his influences were. You can find more about Scott at these links
https://heartofstillness.com (https://heartofstillness.com)
https://www.facebook.com/ (https://www.facebook.com/heartofstillnesscranial)heartofstillnesscranial (https://www.facebook.com/heartofstillnesscranial)
https://www.instagram.com/ (https://www.instagram.com/scottenglercranial/)scottenglercranial/ (https://www.instagram.com/scottenglercranial/)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-engler-heartofstillness/ (https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-engler-heartofstillness/)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcO50Cj5E2aqZxGZM-szNsA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcO50Cj5E2aqZxGZM-szNsA)
22 Jun 2025
Episode 8: Margaret Rosenau MA, RCST®, SEP, APP, BCTA Approved Instructor, Owner/Director, School of Inner Health
Margaret Rosenau MA discusses her background in bodywork modalities like Biodynamic Craniosacral Therapy and Somatic Experiencing, highlighting her work with individual clients and at the School of Inner Health in this interview.
4 May 2025
Episode 7: Shawnee Baker– Author of “Baylie: A Life Shattered. A Promise Kept. A Secret Revealed”.
Shawnee is a NICU nurse with 20 years of experience, a Lactation Consultant, an Infant Sleep Consultant but most of all she is a Mother. This book is her healing process and her mission to save other families from similar tragedies. It is also a story full of wonder and hope.
I wanted to take to time to read Shawnee’s book beforeposting this interview. Her story stirred up some grief in my body that I needed to take time to breath it through and integrate. I believe it is no accident that we have met.
“We tend to think of our suffering as personal, but we are threads in a larger fabric. If the fabric of our family (or other important group we’re part of) is tangled or torn, it deeply affects us, even when we’re unaware of it.” Chari Smith
I encourage you to pace yourself as you listen to this. Notice what sensations arise in your body. Take time to pause the recording, breath and let what is stirred up, integrate. If you need to support, reach out.
I am posting this in time for what would have been Baylie’s26th birthday on May 6th. Happy Birthday, Baylie!
To find out more about the book go to www.baylie.com (http://www.baylie.com)
To find out about Baylie’s Wish Foundation and their visionto save lives by www.baylieswish.org (http://www.baylieswish.org)
Feel free to leave a comment in the commentssection sharing how this story has touched you.
24 Apr 2025
Episode 6: William Emerson's Birth Story
Welcome to Early Echoes. In this episode I read from "Remembering Your Home" where William Emerson shares memories of his birth and his transformative healing process.
William R. Emerson, Ph.D. is a world pioneer in the field of pre- and perinatal psychology. Dr. Emerson has practiced psychotherapy for more than 40 years, specializing in regression therapy, and developing and implementing methods for treating pre- and perinatal trauma in infants, children and adults. He was the first in the field to develop treatment techniques for infants, including psycho therapeutic interventions. He is renowned as a workshop leader, writer and international lecturer.
For more information www.emersonbirthrx.com
6 Apr 2025
Episode 5: Gary Peterson of the Star Institute
Gary Peterson is a Registered Biodynamic Craniosacral Therapist who has been teaching and practicing energy therapies for over 30 years. He teaches Biodynamic Craniosacral Therapy trainings, Settling trainings and Working with Babies classes at various locations around the United States, as well as birthsurround workshops and other therapeutic work for the nervous system.
His teaching and private practice are inspired by his strong desire to understand and alleviate the deep causes of suffering found with stress and trauma to the nervous system. He is especially motivated to help babies, moms and their families to resolve the crippling effects of traumas and stresses that happen during gestation, birth and early neonatal life.
Gary studied Biodynamic Craniosacral Therapy with Franklyn Sills, a pioneer in the field of Craniosacral Biodynamics and author of several books in the field. Gary also studied Prenatal and Birth Therapy with Ray Castellino, himself a pioneer inthe field of resolving birth traumas and imprints for babies and their families.
Gary’s first book, Settling: Simple Ways to Calm Your Nervous System, will be published soon. Gary will be one of thePresenters at the upcoming BCTA/NA Breath of Life Conference this September in Connecticut. Gary and his family live in Sebastopol, California.
1 Jan 2025
Episode 4: Cuddling Babies in the NICU with Zephyr
Welcome to Early Echoes. In this episode I interview Zephyr who is a Biodynamic Craniosacral Therapist and a graduate of Dr. Ray Castellino's Prenatal and Birth Therapy Foundation Training. They are also a civil engineer and construction manager.
They have been cuddling babies in the NICU for 12 years offering their special skill set of refined listening skills to tiny precious beings.
To learn more about Zephyr and their upcoming book visit www.kilometerthirteen.com (http://www.myrnamartin.net)
24 Nov 2024
Biodynamic Midwifery with Dominique Clothiaux
Biodynamic Midwife Dominique Clothiaux shares her holistic approach to pregnancy and childbirth, empowering expectant mothers with intuitive birth instincts and inner wisdom.
4 Nov 2024
Episode 2: Awakening to Wholeness with Fayenen
Welcome to Early Echoes. In this episode I interview Fayenen Lathrenwyn who practices her many gifts in Wales, UK. She has 20 years plus experience in the field. Her qualifications include certifications in Transformative Coaching, Pre- and Perinatal Somatic
Therapy, Biodynamic Craniosacral Therapy, Systemic Family Constellations, Conscious Leadership, and a
diverse range of bodywork and healing modalities. Find out more at www.fayenen.com
Book and reading recommended:
The Twinless Self https://www.jimcogley.com/store/p4/Volume_4_%E2%80%93_The_Twinless_Self_%28Exploring_and_healing_the_effects_of_early_Twin_Loss%29.html (https://www.jimcogley.com/store/p4/Volume_4_%E2%80%93_The_Twinless_Self_%28Exploring_and_healing_the_effects_of_early_Twin_Loss%29.html)
The Case of Lydia Fairchild and Her Chimerism (2002)https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/case-lydia-fairchild-and-her-chimerism-2002
20 Sept 2024
Episode 1: Healing Early Developmental Trauma with Myrna Martin
Welcome to Early Echoes. In this episode I interview Myrna Martin,MN,RCC,RCST® a renowned expert with decades of experience in this field. Myrna has not only studied and delved deeply into this work but has also mentored countless students worldwide, myself included. Her profound wisdom and insights are sure to enlighten us all.
To learn more about Myrna and her work, visit www.myrnamartin.net (http://www.myrnamartin.net)
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