Embodiment Time

About Embodiment Time

Embodiment Time is a podcast hosted by Magdalena Weinstein, and dedicated to the evolution of yoga, movement and somatic practices, interviewing a wide variety of contemporary yoga teachers, movement specialists, brain based trainers, coaches and other educators of embodiment practices like Yoga Nidra, Somatic Experiencing and Body work. The time for embodiment is now.

Publisher

Magdalena Weinstein

Category

health & fitness

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

2 Feb 2019

Latest episode

5 Oct 2020

Latest episodes

3 of 15 episodes have a transcript.

1. 

   5 Oct 2020TRANSCRIPT

   15. Christine Wushke and Lisa Elliot - Nervous System Resources During Pandemic Times

   In this talk we met with Christine and Lisa to discuss and share some trauma-informed and body-oriented nervous system resources during the COVID 19 pandemic. This talk was recorded during the beginning of the pandemic in April, but still feels pertinent in it’s launch on air in October. Some of the topics covered: - The importance of orienting towards resources during challenging times. - From hyper-productivity to stop, and how much that reveals our cultural rushing. - Sheltering at home as a holding container. - Seeing how society is revealing where people are in terms of nervous system states: fight, flight, freeze and appease. - The raising of responses to these events: conspiracy theories, feelings of being at loss, overwhelm, not knowing how to deal with this “invisible” emergency. - What is it to function in a world that doesn’t support a healthy nervous system? The body is having a “neuroceptive” response and the way back to regulation is in the body. - Polyvagal Theory (https://www.stephenporges.com/) and the difference in the state adaptations across cultures. - Epigenetics, Family Systems and Stress. Stress, trauma and the body, Saj Razvi YouTube video. - Mobilization before safety and connection. What are we adapting to in the environment? I’m not messed up, I have a nervous system. - The loss of pleasure during trauma, allowing tuning into savoring and directing the attention back to pleasure sensations. The Hakomi Method and self-soothing gestures to bring more awareness of pleasure. - Ways in which people attempt self-regulation and functionality via external resources that are substitute forms of resources that are destructive. The concept of “vitality” as a resource that arises from within vs resources that are external. Relational and Body-Centered Practices for Healing Trauma: Lifting the Burdens of the Past 1st Edition, by Sharon Stanley - The Threshold Theory of Change, by Lisa Elliot. The reductionist idea of our culture, in terms of finding the reductionist “one” solution. Accessing greater health from a social justice response. - The midbrain, effort and control area. - Orienting to the small moments of safety, regulation and pleasure. The small steps towards pleasure and regulation. One step at the time, one dish at the time, one breath at the time. - Tracking and getting to know your own system. What’s your vitality enjoy? - Orienting to safety and threat through vision. Doing a task until completion, and avoiding chronic stress. The concept of simultaneous visual awareness via panoramic vision. Z-Health Neurofundamentals free of charge Other Resources: - Finding the gravel at the bottom of the river to stop being swept away. - Parts of the self, a part of you experiencing something, and me as the observer and care taker of this part. Turning kindness and compassion towards ourselves. My body and mind have done so much to keep me safe. Understanding the intelligence of the nervous system responses. - Start small, build up from there. Locate one part of your body that feels ok. - Using a therapy ball or lacrosse ball to map (feel) places of the body that feel pleasant, using language that feels inviting. - Accumulate those things you have access to; postive self regulating inputs, like a basket of resources with written things, objects. Ekeko god (Peru-Bolivia) as an example. - The crucial role of compassion in this connection with resources. Turning attention with compasion. CHRISTINE WUSHKE Christine Wushke is a long time Yoga Teacher, Meditation Instructor, Myofascial Release Therapist, and Certified Hakomi Practitioner, Christine decided to merge her specialties, she began to incorporate the principles of Myofascial Release, trauma awareness and mindfulness into all her yoga classes and, noticing the amazing results and effectiveness, she designed her own system of Myofascial Yoga. Christine Wushke is also the author of Freedom is Your Nature: A Practical Guide to Transformation and creator of the “Easy Yoga for Beginners” DVD.  For more information of Christine please check out her website at freelyhuman.com (https://freelyhuman.com/) Lisa Elliott comes to this conversation as the founder of the Vagus Study Group, a large, online collaborative learning project with a mission of exploring the embodiment of experience via diverse ways of knowing.  Her work and that of the study group navigates between the methods of western science, philosophy, activism, art, and the transformative interconnectedness found in many spiritual orientations.  Lisa is a counselor-in-training at Antioch University Seattle, completing a rich internship with Dr. Sharon Stanley of Somatic Transformation before beginning private practice in December of 2020. Lisa comes to counseling as a returning student from earlier careers in photography, community organizing, arts non-profit management, construction project management, and aerial acrobatics performance and coaching. Her work with her own life-long chronic illness has led to a holistic and eco-systemic philosophy of healing and personal growth, and to a deep study of our embodiment of stress, trauma, and factors of resilience. Email us your reflections, comments and questions at embodimenttime@gmail.com

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   12 Mar 2020TRANSCRIPT

   14. kaila June - The Body Always Shows Us the Way

   In this talk, Kaila June begins sharing her story, how she grew up in her mom’s dance studio and how much influence that environment had in her life and career choices. She talks about her experience traveling with “La Caravana Arcoiris para la Paz” through South America, we talk about folklore dances and their relevance.. She shares her explorations of trauma via dance and art and how movement and embodiment affect the way we learn, behave, our memory, the intergenerational effects, etc. She goes through her bio revealing the progression that brought her towards developing the Somakinese School. We talked about the skills of teaching and the difference, nuances, pros and cons of structure vs organic sessions, of being externally oriented vs being internally oriented and of safety and threat in movement experiences. Kaila June, MS, is the founder of SomaKinese School (https://www.kailajune.com/), a virtual platform for movement teachers offering educational programs inspired by embodied movement science.  As a dance-artist, Registered Somatic Movement Educator, and Corrective Exercise Specialist, she has dedicated her life to helping people move and feel better. Drawing from somatic movement education and weaving research from the fields of biotensegrity, neuroscience, and the healing arts, Kaila is totally vested in the art and science of movement education as a vehicle for planetary change. Kaila in social media: Facebook, Instagram Her website: Kailajune.com Email us your reflections, comments and questions at: embodimenttime@gmail.com

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   12 Dec 2019TRANSCRIPT

   13. Matthew Remski - Modern Yoga, From Cult Dynamics to Accountability, Discernment and Healing

   In this talk, Matthew Remski and I discuss many of the multilayered abuse issues in the modern postural yoga scene, as well as in other high demand groups that he covers in his book “Practice and All Is Coming”. We talk about the inheritance of intergenerational trauma, trauma bonding, corporal punishment, somatic dominance, and the slippery subject of cult dinamics that leads to disorganized attachment, dissociation and to physical and sexual abuse. We spend some time at the end looking at some sulutions to all these problems, like the model of PRISM, and concepts like personal agency, scope of practice, and the current conversation about licensing and regulating Yoga. Trigger warning: this conversation covers many uncomfortable discussions about abuse. Matthew Remski is an author, teacher, ayurvedic consultant and cultural critic. He has published 10 books, including “Practice and All Is Coming. Abuse, Cult Dynamics, and Healing in Yoga and Beyond”, that includes all of the topics we cover in this talk. Matthew is currently working in a new book and is launching an online series webinar called “6 Critical Problems in Modern Yoga and how to Work with Them”. Matthew in social media: Facebook The meme that started this talk can be found here in Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/B5IwGq_HeS3/) and Facebook Episode WEBPAGE Email us your reflections, comments and questions at: embodimenttime@gmail.com

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   19 Nov 2019

   12. Mark Walsh - Moving Beyond Mindfulness

   In this talk, Mark talks about the failures of the modern postural yoga and how he used the opportunity to turn criticism into action by creating the Embodied Yoga Principles. We talked about guru abuse, cultural differences, trauma, and how these themes can be explored via multidisciplinary somatic practices. We talk about the issue of living in a visual culture, in terms of pursuing posture as the end goal, about relationships in terms of attachment, Mark shares his approach in the Embodied Facilitator Course, expanding the skills set and also we discuss the subject of technology, social media and the pros and contras of using it. We end our talk with Marc guiding us into a very grounding somatic practice. Mark is an embodiment specialist, the creator and host of the Embodiment Podcast, the director and co-lead trainer of the Embodied Facilitator Course, the Embodied Yoga Principles and the Embodiment Conference. He has been working extensively in connecting the dots across diverse fields like martial arts, yoga, coaching and somatics. His background is in Psychology, Aikido, Yoga, Embodied Leadership, linguistic coaching, non-violent communication, mindfulness, etc. He has taught embodied work in 30+ countries and has experience in peace-building in numerous areas of conflict from Afghanistan to Ukraine. Marc also has a new book coming out: Embodiment, Moving Beyond Mindfulness. (https://embodiedfacilitator.com/book/) Mark in social media: Facebook, Instagram Episode WEBPAGE The guru abuse post I mentioned in the talk can be found here in Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/B04LP0dBtdB/) Email us with your reflections, comments or questions at: embodimenttime@gmail.com

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   28 Sept 2019

   11. Abby Corriveau - Inclusivity, Accessibility and Sustainability in Movement

   In this talk, Abby takes us in the fascinating evolution of her personal movement journey, from external and structured, towards her current approach. In the telling of her own story and how she went through Personal Training, Ashtanga Yoga, Body Competitions, Kettlebell Competition, MovNat and Nutritious Movement, the integration of all the pieces of her Sustainable Movement approach start to build up and make a clear picture. We talked about the way kids move vs the structured movement of the gym, about the obsession with the series in the Ashtanga practice, about Body and KB Competitions and how having an external goal can affect us, and we also talked about MovNat and the work of Katy Bowman and how they deeply influenced the development of her Sustainable Movement Business. She also talked about autism and other sensory processing issues and the importance of developing spaces that are accessible for this population’s abilities. Abby is a Nutritious Movement Certified Restorative Exercise Specialist, NASM certified personal trainer, natural movement expert, kettlebell expert, registered yoga teacher, and a Certified Pre & Postnatal Coach with 13 years of coaching experience. You can find more information about Abby at: www.sustainable-movement.com She is also in Instagram as: www.instagram.com/sustainable.movement/ Other links relevant to the talk: MovNat: https://www.movnat.com/ (https://www.movnat.com/) Katy Bowman: https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/

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   9 Jul 2019

   10. Carrie Owerko - To Play is To Be Human

   In this conversation, we go with Carrie in a journey through her cultivation of resiliency and synthesis, how she became fascinated with experimental movement, movement analisis and Iyengar Yoga, and the way her work evolved from there. We discussed her relationship with the Iyengar Yoga system, the assessment process in Iyengar Yoga, the vast complexities of the guru-based lineage, the intense, abusive and traumatic experiences that people went through studying in Pune with the Iyengar family, and how they were handled and digested by her and other people in the Iyengar community. We talked about the importance of giving people permission to explore movement to gain autonomy in their body, instead of following an external authority, and how her Yoga teaching style has evolved primarily in this direction. She also reflects on how much change she has noticed in her students across the world, and how social media and information have increased and intensify this change. Carrie Owerko has been teaching yoga and exploring the relationship between body, breath, and mind for several years. She holds a Senior Intermediate Iyengar teaching credential, is a certified Yoga Therapist (C-IAYT) and Functional Range Conditioning Mobility Specialist (FRCms). Before studying yoga, Carrie earned a BFA in Dance and Theater, and graduated from the renowned Neighborhood Playhouse Theater School in NYC. Carrie then spent several years working for a Movement/Educational/Experimental Theater Company called The Irondale Ensemble Project. In addition to performing with Irondale she taught in the Alternative High Schools in NYC and at Rikers Island Correctional Facility. After Irondale, Carrie continued her inquiry and became a Movement Analyst (CMA) having completed her studies at The Laban Institute in NYC. She has spent years enthusiastically exploring human movement with the intention of helping people develop clearer, more fully embodied communication and expression. You can find more info about Carrie and her full traveling schedule at: carrieowerko.com (http://www.carrieowerko.com/) Here is a link to her last blogpost Risking Connection She is in Instagram @carrieowerko

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   25 Jun 2019

   9. Nityda Gessel - Dismantling the Systems of Opression Through Trauma-Conscious Yoga

   In this talk Nityda discusses the importance of movement for healing and her integration process of Yoga and Social Work. She talks about Yoga philosophy, the influence of African spirituality, and the need to develop skills in action for social justice. We discuss some of the ways in which patriarchy and white supremacy have influenced us and what can we do individually and collectively to heal what is unconscious, with one of the main issues being the lack of inclusivity in the yoga world, with language as a big barrier, and how to minimize the teacher’s position of power in the classroom. We both agree that we require more and more trauma-informed, healing-centered spaces for marginalized groups that need it the most, and she mentions colonization as one of the biggest issue, how descendants of colonizers have a lot of shame and trauma being associated as the oppressor, and how the guru figure arises and is protected by its followers. Nityda is a licensed somatic psychotherapist, yoga teacher, trauma specialist, speaker, writer, and heart-centered activist, working within the intersections of yoga, mental health, embodied activism, and community advocacy. She is the founder of The Trauma-Conscious Yoga Institute (https://traumaconsciousyoga.com/) (TCYI) and The Trauma-Conscious Yoga Method℠ (https://traumaconsciousyoga.com/tcymethod/), a healing modality that marries trauma-informed yoga with somatic psychotherapy practices. She facilitates certification trainings in The Trauma-Conscious Yoga Method℠ online and across the U.S. for mental health professionals, yoga teachers, helping professionals, and survivors interested in learning skills to support their resiliency and post-traumatic growth. You can find more information about Nytida at https://traumaconsciousyoga.com She is also in Instagram as trauma_conscious_yoga_method

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   31 May 2019

   8. Yasmin Lambat - PART 2. Somatic Exploration in Action

   Here is part 2 of my talk with Yasmin Lambat. Some of the topics we covered in this talk: Working with our physiology. Somatic Exploration to tap into the inner wisdom. Patterns in the body and the folding of our fascial fabric. How Yoga & Pilates experiences led her to pandiculation. Moving from the heart, intuitive movements focused on self-nurturing to calm the nervous system with “Body Yawn” Therapy. Nervous system regulation. Going beyond SNS/PNS and the effects of hyper-arousal on the body. Discovering the "calm state". How care & compassion help creating a “safe” state, and how refocusing her work with her clients as an “invitation to explore” has been more effective for individual expression. We talked about iRest Yoga Nidra, the work of Richard Miller (https://www.irest.org/) and Steven Levin (http://www.biotensegrity.com/)’s work with Biotensegrity, exploring biotensegrity as interdependency of the WHOLE body. Interoception & Exteroception Awareness. How the environment affects the nervous system. Effectiveness of body sensing, dance, and the effects of endorphines/dopamine-driven loud music used frequently in gyms. Cultivating interoception vs the dopamine high. Going beyond the trauma story, working with the physiology. You can find Yasmin Lambat at: bodysensingtherapy.com

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   9 May 2019

   7. Yasmin Lambat - PART 1. From Fitness to Wholeness, Discovering the Inner Wisdom of Embodiment

   Some of the topics we covered in this talk: Yasmin's journey of discovery of the Body, from her transition from the Fitness Industry to her development of Interoception and Somatic Movement via Polestar Pilates and Elizabeth Bussey. Her encounter with Tom Myers, the influence of the work of Dr Ian Weinberg and Robert Schleip. The core and the diaphragm, mecanoreceptors and fascia. The Insula, empathy and how to use motion to heal emotion. Distress interoception, Vagal tone and the Polyvagal theory of Stephen Porges. Pandiculation, tension vs intensity and the model of Biotensegrity. The Calm Response and how to create it in our life, classes and society. Some of the people mentioned in this talk: Elizabeth Bussey Ian Weinberg MD Robert Schleip PHD (http://www.somatics.de/en/schleip) Yasmin is a Registered Somatic Educator with ISMETA, an Inner guidance Coach, and the creator of BodySensing Body Yawn Somatic Fascial Unwinding™. She has a fascination for fascia, biotensegrity and the body as designed by nature, it’s ability to self-heail and self-restore, unwinding emotional patterns through myofascial movement. Her journey has taken her from fitness to wholeness, shedding posture for embodiment, alignment for integrity and taking the focus away from body mechanics to body sensation. It was not always that way.  Her background in Fitness and Pilates began with a cognitive approach to Anatomy and Biomechanics, until she was awakened by an inner awareness from her early experiences of Somatic Practices like Feldenkrais, Bartenieff and Trager. For more information, visit her website at: www.bodysensingtherapy.com  or through Yasmin Lambat at Facebook and Bodysensing at Instagram. Also, you can connect directly with her via email at: bodysensing@gmail.com

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    3 Apr 2019

    6. Laurel Beversdorf - Pedagogy, Critical Thinking and Yoga Evolution

    Some of the topics covered in this talk with Laurel: The story behind her pedagogic skills, growing up surrounded by teachers and conversations around pedagogy, and her teaching experience previous to yoga. Her critical thinking process and her yoga training journey through Yoga Works and Yoga Tune Up®. The difference in between Yoga Works and the guru-based model of Iyengar Yoga, and about the horizontal vs the vertical model of apprenticeship. The challenges of training new yoga teachers and the culture of yoga in India, in the West, and how to honor yoga while using it in a way that feels relevant to the people we are sharing it with. Kinesiopathologizing, in contrast to Movement Optimism, from the lens of Dr. Greg Lehman (http://www.greglehman.ca/). The mistake that movement specialists make in terms of trying to fix posture, vs exposing people to a variety of movement. Reflections about the state of the vast majority of yoga teachers around right and wrong posture and movement. Yoga teacher scope of practice. Reflections about the essence of yoga. Laurel Beversdorf, B.F.A, E-RYT 500, is the creator of Yoga with Resistance Bands Classes and Trainings and Body of Knowledge™ Anatomy and Biomechanics workshops. A Yoga Tune Up® trainer and senior teacher and teacher trainer for YogaWorks, Laurel regularly presents trainings and workshops at locations and studios across the US and the world. Laurel is an interdisciplinary movement educator specializing in anatomy, biomechanics and yoga teaching pedagogy, based out of YogaWorks in NYC. You can learn more about her online classes and workshops at www.laurelbeversdorf.com

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    19 Mar 2019

    5. Sonali Fiske - Reclaiming and Embodying the Roots

    In this podcast, Sonali begins talking about her "pick your platform and raise your voice" mentorship program that she has been offering to support women of color. We talked about the importance of honoring the first nations that habitated the land where we live and do business in, she also talks about her TEDx talk about this being the time for women of color to speak their truth and for the dominant race to unspeak, or speak less to activate their sacred hearing. Sonali talked about her experience with Yoga as a comodified practice, also she mentions the importance of unmelting the cultures and returning to our roots to find deeper meaning. We talk about white privilege and how the system where we are is designed to help white people succeed, and how their privilege can help them serve those people of color and black that the system is not set up for. She says the sooner white people look at those parts of themselves with authenticity, the better. We talked about white passing women, birracial and multirracial women that don't fit in one identity, like a lot of latinamerican women and myself. She talks about the importance of aknowledging that black women are the most marginalized of all but at the same have a lot to offer to all of us. Sonali Fiske is an international speaker and leadership consultant for marginalized & underrepresented visionary womxn and emerging women-identifying leaders. Her private and group programs teach leaders to unearth their cutting edge and deeply rooted messages, to help inform, educate and counter the current cultural zeitgeist. Her recent masterclass on "Dismantling White Dominance in Womxn's Entrepreneurship" went viral, and centered the stories of black, indigenous womxn of color countering the current narrative in leadership and influence. She also leads storytelling workshops and self-care retreats locally and internationally, and conducts a monthly tele-call entitled "Call to Sacred Activism for womxn leaders" confronting uneasy issues like cultural appropriation, tokenism, and white supremacy. Links: Sonali Fiske's website (https://www.sonalifiske.com/) Pick Your Platform and Raise Your Voice (https://sonalifiske.lpages.co/woc-group-program/) Layla F. Saad. Me and White Supremacy workbook Catrice M Jackson. Antagonists, Advocates & Allies Rachel Cargel (https://www.rachelcargle.com/). Helping confront white feminism Rachel Rickets. Antiracism Resources Lisa Renee Hall. The 4 types of ancestors Red Table Talk (https://www.facebook.com/redtabletalk/)

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    26 Feb 2019

    4. Erin Jade - Neurology is Holistic

    Erin Jade is a Yoga and Movement Teacher, Massage Therapist and Applied Neurology Educator with a mission to spread brain-based perspectives into the world of Yoga and Movement via online courses and a monthly membership. Her writings about the business of teaching yoga and challenges of transitioning into other modalities inspired her serialized audiobook as a podcast The Whole Beautiful (http://www.thewholebeautiful.libsyn.com/). In this conversation Erin takes us in her personal story growing up, teaching Yoga and as a Massage Therapist and transitioning into Brain-Based Education. The struggles, the realizations, the relevance of neurology in our modern movement landscape, the importance of training the visual and vestibular systems, and the potential of training neurologically for athletes, adults and beyond that, for children. We talked about plank and the core, diastasis recti, and the love for movement beyond labels. Erin introduces us to body and brain maps, and pain science. We talk about FRC and Z health and the importance of range of motion and joint mobility. Modalities we talked about: Functional Range Conditioning (https://functionalanatomyseminars.com/), Z-Health, AMN Academy (https://www.amnacademy.com/), Integrated Kinetic Neurology Erin is currently reading: Second Nature: How Parents Can Use Neuroscience to Help Kids Develop Empathy, Creativity, and Self-Control. Erin Clabough

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    15 Feb 2019

    3. Trina Altman - There is Nothing About You that is Out of Place

    In this episode, Trina Altman (https://trinaaltman.com/) talks about her beginnings in Yoga and Pilates, her trip to India, how she created Pilates Deconstructed® and Yoga Deconstructed®. We also discuss the state of Yoga, how much it has evolved through exposure to social media, about the importance of connecting and sharing opinions and of evolving beyond the black and white perspective. We discussed her interdisciplinary approach, the importance of practicing a variety of movements and learning from teachers that encompass the big picture. I asked her what does yoga postures mean to her, and we talked about Matthew Remsky's new book and the subject of abuse in the yoga world. Books discussed in the talk: Explain Pain. David Butler & G. Lorimer Moseley Mindful Movement: The Evolution of the Somatic Arts and Conscious Action. Martha Eddy Practice and all is coming. Matthew Remski

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    8 Feb 2019

    2. Noelle Carvey - Train for the Life that you Want

    Noelle is a great mover, a deep thinker and an explorer of the human condition from her perspective as woman, mother and teacher. This conversation went through many relevant subjects for Yoga Teachers and Movement Educators, as much as for anybody wanting to learn more about movement reeducation, natural movement, training smart, NLP and mindset. Follow Noelle's journey in Instagram at @noelleofthewild and through her soon to be developed website: rebelnomads Some of the topics covered in this talk is her journey growing up, her current life in a boat a mile away from shore parenting two girls, training with a mace, her whole yoga and movement journey, and how she dares to be honest and expose real issues in a world that wants to hide them. Some of the books and people mentioned here are: Blue mind. Wallace J. Nichols The Polyvagal Theory. Stephen Porges Braiding Sweet Grass. Robin Wall Kimmerer Jill Miller (https://www.tuneupfitness.com/) Hunter Fitness (https://www.hunterfitness.com/) instagram links for mace training: @steelmaceexercises @steelmaceflow.leo.savage @steelmacegypsy @steelmaceyoga

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    2 Feb 2019

    1. Sarah Kowalski - The Only Way to Learn is by Doing

    Sarah is a deep thinker and a mature and grounded Yoga Teacher based in Philadelphia specialized in adaptive yoga and classes that help people slow down in these times of increased acceleration. We had a great and diverse conversation that went from travels around the world, writers block, formal yoga practice and paying attention to that which has been obscured, The Roll Model and the Coregeous ball, yes or not to headstand, SAID principle, FRC and being in control, practicing surrendering, from surviving to thriving, social media implications, being raised in a liberal environment and working with traumatic brain injuries. sarahkowalski.com (http://www.sarahkowalski.com) 20 Questions For 2018 A Guide to Better Movement. Todd Hargrove Donna Farhi: Post-Lineage Pedagogy Other people mentioned: Trina Altman (https://trinaaltman.com/) Jules Mitchell (http://www.julesmitchell.com/) Laurel Beversdorf (https://laurelbeversdorf.com/) Andreo Spina (https://functionalanatomyseminars.com/) Seth Godin (https://www.sethgodin.com/)

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15. Christine Wushke and Lisa Elliot - Nervous System Resources During Pandemic Times

Published 5 Oct 2020 · Transcript excerpt

[…] So I mean it's my I don't have I have a interesting you know I have a lifetime of very dedicated personal growth work and exploring things on my own and having the support of wonderful counselors. I wasn't doing this work professionally and sometimes actually before the dissection a friend asked me in conversation whether I thought about becoming a counselor and I had thought about before and always gave it a thumbs down for some reason and at that moment I knew when when she asks I knew that that's what was going to happen so there was really no decision making process involved it just was like the path was suddenly visible to me was a beautiful experience I'm lucky to have that clarity. […]

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