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Environment China is a bilingual podcast from the Beijing Energy Network. The show features conversations with advocates, entrepreneurs, and experts working in the environmental field in China.

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Episode thumbnail for The Role of Local Leaders in China's Low-Carbon Transition - with Weila Gong

May 14, 2026

The Role of Local Leaders in China's Low-Carbon Transition - with Weila Gong

Host interviews Weila Gong, a nonresident scholar, about how local leaders in China navigate the low-carbon transition amidst competing priorities.

Episode thumbnail for Mapping China's Overseas Financing - with Yunnan Chen and Teal Emery

April 14, 2026

Mapping China's Overseas Financing - with Yunnan Chen and Teal Emery

<p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">In this episode we continue our series on China's overseas investment trends. In the first episode, we talked with Christoph Nedopil about Chinese investment in the Belt-and Road Initiative (BRI) countries, how both green and dirty investments surged in 2025, and how big deals are back, as opposed to small-is-beautiful we heard a few years ago. In the second episode with Mathias Larsen, we delved into the regional aspects of China's overseas energy investments in batteries, EVs, solar and hydrogen.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">Today, we're going to go a step deeper, discussing a report published by ODI Global: "Greener on the other side? Mapping China's overseas co-financing and financial innovation." The report discusses the 'changing ecosystem' of China's overseas finance, pegging a part of that ecosystem as supporting green investment, while other parts do not. The report also discusses a 'mismatch' between some lending 'and the regions and sectors most in need of energy transition support.'</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">Dr Yunnan Chen is a Research Fellow in ODI Global's Development and Public Finance program, where her work focuses on the changing global financial governance of development finance and export credit, and China's overseas finance in the global south. She obtained her PhD from Johns Hopkins School for Advanced International Studies in Washington DC, where she was also a researcher at the SAIS China Africa Research Initiative (CARI), as well as with the BU Global Development Policy Center and the Center for Global Development (CGD).</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">Teal Emery is the founder of Teal Insights, where he is building an open-source ecosystem of tools for sovereign debt and climate analysis. Previously, he spent seven years as an emerging markets sovereign research analyst at Morgan Stanley Investment Management, traveling regularly to China, Africa, the Middle East, and across the developing world. He has been looking at China's role in global finance for over a decade. He co-authored several papers on sovereign debt and sustainable finance at the World Bank.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">Today's episode covers:</span></p> <ul> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "text-align: justify; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">The new pressures that Chinese banks face, and how these pressures force them to take measures to reduce risks -- with implications for green lending.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "text-align: justify; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">Why green lending is still dominated by multilateral development banks and development finance instead of by commercial banks.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "text-align: justify; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">For green lending from China that does take place, what are the biggest mismatches between today's green lending and the actual need for green investment?</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "text-align: justify; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">The role of cooperation on project preparation, and specifically the MCDF (Multilateral Center for Development Finance), which was supposed to provide support for least developed countries to prepare projects for receiving green loans.</span></li> </ul> <p style= "text-align: justify; line-height: normal; background-image: initial; background-position-x: initial; background-position-y: initial; background-size: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">We did have an unexpected guest on the programme today, a young infant who woke from a nap at just the wrong time! As a result, about 40 seconds of the program had to be cut out. The text from Yunnan Chen's final answer that got cut off was as follows:</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding-left: 40px;"><span style= "font-size: 10pt;">"If you look at what MCDF has been doing so far it's been quite successful in creating collaborations between MDBs and institutions in the global south.</span> <span style= "font-size: 10pt;">In terms of capacity it's small, its funds are in the tens of millions and it suffers from some of the same problems that some of these global project preparations have.</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt;">It's small, there's too many of them and it's a very fragmented ecosystem."</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt;">For further reading:</span></strong></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Yunnan Chen and Teal Emery, "Greener on the Other Side? Mapping China's Overseas Co-financing and Financial Innovation," ODI Global, 2025, at</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt;"><a href= "https://odi.org/en/publications/greener-on-the-other-side-mapping-chinas-overseas-co-financing-and-financial-innovation/"> https://odi.org/en/publications/greener-on-the-other-side-mapping-chinas-overseas-co-financing-and-financial-innovation/</a>. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding-left: 40px;"> </p>

Episode thumbnail for China's Green Leap Outward - with Mathias Larsen

February 17, 2026

China's Green Leap Outward - with Mathias Larsen

<p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin; color: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext;" xml:lang="EN-US">Today, we're continuing our series on China's external investments in the energy field, focusing in particular on China's outbound investments in clean energy manufacturing.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">Our guest today is Mathias Larsen.</span> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">Mathias is Senior Policy Fellow at LSE's Grantham Research Institute for Climate Change & the Environment, where he leads the Institute's work on China, and he also studies China's impact on other countries outside the global North, in particular, Vietnam, India, Ethiopia, and Brazil. His work focuses on the role of the state in ensuring financing for a green transition, covering central banking, fiscal policy, development finance, and other tools related to industrial policy.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">Mathias has a double PhD in international political economy from Copenhagen Business School and the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and a double Master's degree in international business and politics from Copenhagen Business School and Rotterdam School of Management, as well as a double Master's degree in international development from Sciences Po Paris and Peking University. He previously worked as a Postdoc at Brown University, at the International Institute of Green Finance, as well as at the UN in New York, Bangkok, and Nairobi.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph;"> <span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">Topics we cover include:</span></p> <ul> <li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang= "EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">The trend change in China's green outbound investment that started in 2022.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang= "EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">Which regions are attracting which kinds of investments.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang= "EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">Whether countries are really seeing development opportunities in this stream of investment -- and what they can do to maximize their chances of development.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang= "EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">China's central bank policies which include both national development priorities as well as macroeconomic stability, without the strict independence traditionally expected of central banks.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang= "EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">Whether such policies could offer a lesson for others.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang= "EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">China's outbound green hydrogen investments in the Mideast.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span lang= "EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">Saudi Arabia's strategy on green hydrogen.</span></li> </ul> <p style="text-align: justify;"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 10.0pt; line-height: 107%; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;" xml:lang="EN-US">For further reading:</span></strong></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;" xml:lang= "EN-US"><a href= "https://www.netzeropolicylab.com/china-green-leap"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;"> https://www.netzeropolicylab.com/china-green-leap</span></a></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;" xml:lang= "EN-US"><a href= "https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2025/12/10/while-western-central-banks-hesitate-on-climate-chinas-acts/"> <span style= "mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;"> https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2025/12/10/while-western-central-banks-hesitate-on-climate-chinas-acts/</span></a></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 6.0pt; text-align: justify; text-justify: inter-ideograph; line-height: normal; background: white;"> <span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;" xml:lang= "EN-US"><a href= "https://www.carboun.com/china-hydrogen"><span style= "mso-fareast-font-family: 'Calibri\,Tahoma'; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-latin;"> https://www.carboun.com/china-hydrogen</span></a></span></p>

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