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Everyday Conversations Race brings people together for cross-race conversations on race. If you have ever wanted to have a conversation about race, then this podcast is for you.Our mission is to disrupt the way race is talked about, break racial silos and have a global impact on how people see each other. We have from different backgrounds who share stories, thoughts on race, perspective on current social issues and pop culture happenings. We show that conversations about race are possible, urgent and essential for survival. Guests are all ages from very young to very old, immigrants, students, formerly incarcerated, executives, hourly employees, social activists, hip-hop artists, athletes and media. It's serious, funny and insightful. We have a global mission for these conversations, to eliminate fear of differences, bring people together in the same space, and find surprising connections.

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Episode thumbnail for The 29% Problem: Steve Phillips on Race and Power

June 23, 2026

The 29% Problem: Steve Phillips on Race and Power

<p dir="ltr">In this episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, Simma Lieberman sits down with Steve Phillips — national political leader, three-time author, Guardian and New York Times contributor, and founder of Democracy in Color. His latest book is </p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Are White Men Smarter Than Everybody Else? Playing Offense in the Fight for Racial Justice in America (his latest)</p> </li> </ul> <p dir="ltr">Key concepts discussed:</p> <ul> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">SWAMP — Straight White American Male Preference: a framework to reframe the equality debate and expose overrepresentation of white men (29% of the population, yet dominant in every power structure)</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">SWAMP Audits — a practical tool anyone can use to assess their organization, city, or institution</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Virtual Precinct Captains — building a personal list of 20 people, keeping them informed, and making sure they vote</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">The demographic transformation of America: from 88% white in the 1960s to 41% people of color today</p> </li> <li dir="ltr" aria-level="1"> <p dir="ltr" role="presentation">Why mobilizing the existing diverse majority is more effective than chasing white swing voters</p> </li> </ul> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">TIMESTAMPS</span></p> <div dir="ltr" align="left"> <table> <colgroup> <col width="56" /> <col width="552" /></colgroup> <tbody> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Time</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Topic</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">0:00</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Introduction & show overview</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">1:08</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Guest intro: Steve Phillips — author, political leader, founder of Democracy in Color</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2:43</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Do we still need to talk about race? Steve says: now more than ever</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">3:41</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The 2015 escalator speech and the politics of White racial anxiety</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">5:00</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Post-George Floyd commitments abandoned — where we are now</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">6:10</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Steve's background: growing up as a child of the civil rights movement in Cleveland</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">7:10</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">First Black family on Dartmoor Road; seeing MLK as a toddler</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">8:35</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Simma's personal story: the March on Washington and her junior high school protest</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">9:08</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">What's happening with young people today — reasons for hope</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">10:07</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Zohran Mamdani's NYC mayoral campaign as a generational movement</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">12:03</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Young conservatives and Charlie Kirk: the danger of silence on the left</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">13:00</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">MLK's quote on the silence of good people</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">15:13</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Simma's personal connection to Steve's books and finding hope</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">16:36</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Brown Is the New White — Obama's election and demographic transformation</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">19:33</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">How We Win the Civil War — the Confederates never stopped fighting</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">21:38</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Are White Men Smarter Than Everybody Else? — the book's origin and SWAMP framework</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">22:20</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">White men are only 29% of the population — yet dominate every power structure</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">25:15</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The "meritocracy" myth exposed — preferences have always existed for white men</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">26:35</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The Emily & Greg / Lakeisha & Jamal resume study (University of Chicago)</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">27:58</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The Chosen — how elite college admissions were rigged for preferred whites in the 1920s</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">29:40</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hope and strategy: the majority already exists — why Democrats keep losing anyway</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">33:11</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">If all Texans had voted in 2020, Biden would have won Texas</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">34:42</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">2024: Democrats spent $1B on TV ads instead of community organizing</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">37:00</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Voter apathy, Nick Cannon, and why people say "there's no point voting"</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">40:40</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Zohran Mamdani's free childcare platform and delivering for voters</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">42:00</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Local organizing wins: Kansas City Tenants Union gets 6,000 votes and passes a bill of rights</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">43:13</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">A crusade for democracy: the call for a million precinct captains</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">46:25</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The demographic revolution: U.S. is now 41% people of color (was 12% in the mid-'60s)</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">48:16</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Progressive white allies — a historic tradition and a crucial part of the coalition</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">50:37</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">"Fear of a Black Planet Syndrome" and what individuals can do right now</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">51:57</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">SWAMP audits — a tool anyone can use to go on offense</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">54:16</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">DEI vs. racial justice: Simma clarifies the distinction</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">55:07</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Practical steps: virtual precinct captains and SWAMP audits</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">56:16</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Book recommendation: Practical Radicals by Deepak Bhargava & Stephanie Luce</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">57:23</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Show recommendation: Andor (Disney+) — fighting back against authoritarianism</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">58:31</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Where to find Steve: democracyincolor.com</span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">58:57</span></p> </td> <td> <p dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Closing thoughts: keep talking about race, build the multiracial democracy</span></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p><br /> <br /></p> <h2 class="section-heading"> </h2>

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June 8, 2026

Dion Lim: The Anti-Asian Hate Story America Forgot

<p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">In this powerful episode of Everyday Conversations on Race, host Simma the Inclusionist sits down with Emmy award-winning journalist and author Dion Lim to confront a question too many are avoiding: "Why has the conversation about anti-Asian hate gone silent"?</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">Dion takes us behind the headline-making DM that changed her career — an anonymous video of an elderly Asian man being brutally beaten in San Francisco — and reveals what it took to bring stories like his to light when her own newsroom resisted.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;"> From the murder of Vincent Chin to COVID-era scapegoating, she traces the deep historical roots of anti-Asian racism in America. She explains why the silence after the peak of BLM and Stop AAPI Hate is not just disappointing — it's dangerous.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">Topics in This Episode:</span></strong></span></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Why anti-Asian hate is "as old as the Gold Rush" — and why we're erasing that history</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">The cultural shame that keeps Asian American victims from speaking out</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">The death threats and hit pieces Dion faced for reporting the truth</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">How DEI rollbacks are affecting communities right now</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">What Black-Asian solidarity actually looks like on the ground</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">The role food, music, and pop culture play in bridging racial divides</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Dion's new book <a href= "https://www.amazon.com/Amplify-My-Fight-Asian-America/dp/B0CRJXVBN5"> Amplify: My Fight for Asian America</a> (foreword by Olivia Munn)</span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">You'll hear:</span></strong></span></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">The anonymous 12-second DM that changed everything — a video of an elderly Asian man being attacked while collecting cans in San Francisco's Bayview neighborhood</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Why Asian American victims often don't come forward: cultural conditioning, family shame, distrust of media, and generational silence</span></li> </ul> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Anti-Asian hate isn't new — from the Gold Rush to Vincent Chin to Yik Oi Huang and Vishal Ratanapakdee</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">How COVID gave people permission to blame Asians — and how "kung flu" and "China virus" language fueled violenc</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">The backlash Dion faced: a Washington Post hit piece orchestrated by a former DA's team, death threats from people who denied anti-Asian hate was real</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Why the Asian American community isn't monolithic — income inequality, cultural differences, and the "model minority" myth</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">The connection between Black and Asian communities — shared history, manufactured division, and what solidarity actually looks like on the ground</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Grassroots response: patrol groups, the Blue Angels in Oakland, and the role of everyday people showing up for each other</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Simma's own history with the original Rainbow Coalition — The Young Patriots, the Black Panthers, the Young Lords, and Asian groups working together in the late '60s and '70s</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">The immigrant parent dynamic: silence as survival, pride as a long time coming, and what it meant when Dion's father finally expressed pride after her 20/20 appearance</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">What Dion wants for the next generation: be loud, find your community, take care of your mental health, and don't be afraid to take up space</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">TV recommendation: Warrior — the series about the rise of the Tongs and how Chinese workers were treated in California</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">The ask: get Amplify on the New York Times bestseller list — and why it matters beyond sales</span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">Key Learnings:</span></strong></span></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Silence is not safety. When institutions stop talking about race, hate doesn't disappear — it goes underground and grows. The rollback of DEI programs and race coverage in newsrooms makes communities more vulnerable, not more comfortable.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Anti-Asian hate has deep American roots. This isn't a COVID story. It goes back to the Gold Rush, the Chinese Exclusion Act, and the murder of Vincent Chin. Understanding that history is the first step to not repeating it.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Cultural conditioning keeps people quiet. Many Asian Americans are raised to not cause a fuss, not draw attention, not inconvenience others. That silence protects no one — it protects the people doing harm.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Division between communities is often manufactured. The tension between Black and Asian communities didn't come from nowhere. It was seeded deliberately, and it dissolves quickly when people actually get to know each other.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">You don't have to share someone's experience to show up for them. The people who moved Dion most weren't Asian — they were people from every background who said "I didn't know, and now I do."</span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">Timestamps:</span></strong></span></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">1:08 – Who is Dion Lim and why she's fighting for Asian America</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">2:51 – "It feels like crickets" — DEI rollbacks and the dangerous silence</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">4:05 – The 12-second video that changed Dion's career forever</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">5:50 – Anti-Asian hate didn't start with COVID — it goes back to the Gold Rush</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">8:43 – From fluff pieces to death threats: how Dion's journalism transformed</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">10:15 – The shameful cultural silence keeping Asian victims from speaking out</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">13:58 – The Washington Post hit piece, orchestrated by a DA's team</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">16:15 – Why people deny anti-Asian hate even exists</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">21:25 – "It was okay to blame Asians for COVID" — how a pandemic became a weapon</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">24:14 – Dion's own mother told her to stop reporting. Here's why.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">27:42 – Are newsrooms giving up on covering race?</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">31:00 – The "model minority" myth that erases Asian poverty</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">39:22 – What real Black-Asian solidarity actually looks like</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">46:01 – The history America buried: forced labor, exclusion laws & the show Warrior</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">51:01 – Dion's call to action + her book Amplify</span></li> </ul> <p style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Guest Bio:</span></strong></span></p> <p style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Dion is a beloved Emmy Award-winning journalist, two-time author, and international keynote speaker. For over 20 years, she has transformed complex, high-stakes issues into clear, compelling stories that resonate with millions. A trusted expert in media presence, Dion now helps executives and changemakers communicate with the same clarity, confidence, and impact. Her work amplifying underrepresented voices has built bridges across diverse communities and sparked lasting change.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">Connect with Dion Lim:</span></strong></span></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-top: 12pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Website: <a href="https://dionlim.com">dionlim.com</a></span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href= "https://www.instagram.com/dionlimtv/"><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">Instagram & Facebook: @dionlimtv</span></a></span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "color: black; margin-bottom: 12pt; line-height: normal; vertical-align: baseline; font-size: 12pt;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/dion-lim-166911bb/"><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif';">LinkedIn: Dion Lim</span></a></span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">Get the book:</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;"><a href= "https://www.amazon.com/Amplify-My-Fight-Asian-America/dp/B0CRJXVBN5"> Amplify: My Fight for Asian America</a> — available now!</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; margin: 12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, 'sans-serif'; color: black;">If this episode moved you, share it with someone who needs to hear it. 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May 20, 2026

Frank Carbajal on Latino Leadership: From Migrant Farmworker Son to Silicon Valley Voice

<p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif'; font-size: 12pt;">Frank Carbajal grew up the son of Mexican migrant farmworkers in California's Imperial Valley, where summer temperatures hit 115 degrees and his mother worked the fields through her third trimester. Today he's the founder and president of Es Tiempo LLC, a co-author of three books on Latino leadership, founder of the Silicon Valley Latino Leadership Summit at Stanford University, and a former keynote speaker in Ken Blanchard's network.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif'; font-size: 12pt;">In this conversation with Simma, Frank talks about what it actually means to be Latino in America today — and why that word doesn't fit everyone who could claim it. He breaks down the Bracero Program that brought his parents to the U.S., the "101 Infrastructure Divide" that shows how Latino hands built Silicon Valley while Latino representation in tech sits in the single digits, and why his mother told him being bilingual is a superpower.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif'; font-size: 12pt;">This is a conversation about immigration, identity, family, and what it takes to move from picking fruit in the fields to standing in front of executive boardrooms — without ever forgetting where you came from.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-outline-level: 2;"> <strong><span style= "font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> What You'll Learn</span></strong></p> <ul type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> What the Bracero Program was, and how it shaped Mexican American families in California for generations</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Why "Latino" is not one identity — and how to talk to people about their background without making assumptions</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> The real numbers behind Latino representation in education, the corporate boardroom, and venture capital</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> How to start a conversation across race and culture without getting yourself into trouble</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Why being bilingual is a competitive advantage, not something to hide</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> What "the 101 Infrastructure Divide" means and why it matters for anyone working in or with the tech industry</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> How to spot the difference between performative diversity and actual connection</span></li> </ul> <div class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: 0in; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="0" width="100%" /></div> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-outline-level: 2;"> <strong><span style= "font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Key Takeaways</span></strong></p> <ul type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Latinos are not a monolith. There are 20 Latin American countries, multiple generations of Latino Americans, and people who identify as Latino, Latina, Chicano, Mexican American, American, or simply as a leader — and all of those answers are valid.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> The hands that built Silicon Valley are not the hands sitting in its boardrooms. Latino representation in tech leadership and venture capital is still in the low single digits despite Latinos making up over 40% of California's population.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Conversations across race work when you start with what's in front of you — food, art, family, a shared interest — not with politics or assumptions.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Bilingualism is a superpower. So is resilience. Frank's parents had third- and fourth-grade educations and built a life for their children through nothing but hard work.</span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Leadership, not identity politics, is the through-line that travels across borders, languages, and generations.</span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-outline-level: 2;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif';">Timestamps</span></strong></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [00:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — Simma's opening: why this podcast exists for anyone who wants to talk across race but is afraid of saying the wrong thing</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [02:30]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — Meet Frank Carbajal: Es Tiempo LLC, Silicon Valley Latino Leadership Summit, two published books, and the award he's most proud of (hint: it's not the corporate one)</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [05:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> —<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span> What legacy means in a Latino family</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [07:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — The elephant in the room: why race conversations are crucial conversations, and what "healthy conversation" actually looks like</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [09:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — The numbers don't lie: 65 million Latinos in the U.S., but only 1–2% of PhDs, 1.5% of CEOs and board members, and less than 2% of venture capital</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [11:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — What is the Latino community, really? Why "Latino" doesn't fit everyone — and why some people say "Just call me a leader"</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [14:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — The Bracero Program explained: Frank's parents, migrant farmworkers, and the pathway that shaped a generation of Mexican American families</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [17:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — Born on Juneteenth in 115-degree heat: Frank's mother worked the fields through her third trimester and almost died giving birth to him</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [19:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — The 101 Infrastructure Divide: how Latino hands built Silicon Valley's buildings by hand — including NVIDIA's $4.9 trillion headquarters — while Latino representation in tech stays in the single digits</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [22:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — When Simma brought a Spanish-speaking facilitator to a workshop, and her class hated him. Why language alone is not connection.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [25:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — Frank's mother's wisdom on sangrón: how she could spot arrogance instantly, and why she'd rather work with a humble white person who spoke Spanish than an arrogant Latino with a sense of entitlement</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [28:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — Bilingual is a superpower: Frank's parents told him to never be embarrassed, and why he tells his own daughters the same thing</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [30:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — "Wow, you speak without an accent" — the microaggression Latino professionals know too well, and how Frank handles it</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [32:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — Afro-Latinos, Caribbean Latinos, Mexican Americans, Chicanos, Latinos of European descent: why the Latino community is not a monolith, and the language families use to describe all the shades within it</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [35:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — Frank's Brazilian soccer coach who was Afro-Latino, spoke three languages, and taught a 10-year-old Frank what unity actually looks like on a team</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> [37:00]</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> — How to have a conversation across difference without stepping on a landmine: Frank's mentor's advice about reading the room — start with the Frida Kahlo painting on the wall, not politics</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif'; font-size: 12pt;"><strong> <span style= "line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif';">[40:00]</span></strong> <span style= "line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif';">— Simma and Frank agree: food and stories are how you build a bridge. Why curiosity beats tiptoeing every time.</span></span></p> <div class="MsoNormal" style= "margin-bottom: .0001pt; text-align: center; line-height: normal;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="0" width="100%" /></div> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-outline-level: 2;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif';">Guest Bio</span></strong></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif'; font-size: 12pt;">Frank Carbajal is the founder and president of Es Tiempo LLC, a leadership development and keynote speaking firm. He is the founder of the Silicon Valley Latino Leadership Summit, held at Stanford University, which brings top Latino thought leaders together from across the country.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif'; font-size: 12pt;">He is co-author of Building the Latino Future: Success Stories for the Next Generation (with a foreword by management guru Ken Blanchard) and co-author of El Futuro Latino, published in 14 Latin American countries. He was part of Ken Blanchard's keynote speaker network and works with CEOs, executives, managers, and small business owners on leadership development.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal;"> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif'; font-size: 12pt;">Frank received the 2013 Father of the Year Award from Building Peaceful Families and the 2013 Portraits of Success Award from the Hispanic Development Corporation. He serves on the advocacy committee for the Silicon Valley Education Foundation. He is the son of Mexican immigrants, the husband of a Salvadoran American wife, and the father of three daughters.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style= "mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; line-height: normal; mso-outline-level: 2;"> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman', 'serif';">Connect with Frank Carbajal</span></strong></span></p> <ul type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Email:</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> frank@estiempo.com</span></span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> LinkedIn:</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Search Frank Carbajal (C-A-R-B-A-J-A-L)</span></span></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style= "line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt;"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> Company:</span></strong> <span style= "font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ligatures: none;"> <a href="https://www.estiempo.com/">Es Tiempo LLC</a></span></span></li> </ul> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt;" xml:lang="EN"><strong><a href= "https://fundraising.fracturedatlas.org/everyday-conversations-on-race-for-everyday-people"> Click here to DONATE and support our podcast</a></strong></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN" style="font-size: 12pt;" xml:lang="EN"><strong>All donations are tax deductible through Fractured Atlas.</strong></span></p> <p><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span data-preserver-spaces="true">Simma Lieberman, The Inclusionist,</span></strong> <span data-preserver-spaces= "true">helps leaders create inclusive cultures. She is a consultant, speaker, and facilitator. Simma is the creator and host of the podcast, Everyday Conversations on Race.</span></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;" data-preserver-spaces= "true">Contact <a href= "mailto:Simma@SimmaLieberman.com">Simma@SimmaLieberman.com</a> to get more information, book her as a speaker for your next event, help you become a more inclusive leader, or facilitate dialogues across differences.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;" data-preserver-spaces="true">Go to www.simmalieberman.com and www.raceconvo.com for more information</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Simma is a member of and inspired by the global organization </span><a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://inclusioncoalition.info/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces="true">IAC (Inclusion Allies Coalition)</span></a><span data-preserver-spaces= "true"> </span></span></p> <p><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Connect with me:</span></strong></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://www.instagram.com/simma.lieberman" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Instagram</span></a></span><br /> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://www.facebook.com/raceconvo" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Facebook</span></a></span><br /> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://www.youtube.com/@simmalie" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">YouTube</span></a></span><br /> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://www.twitter.com/@theinclusionist" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Twitter</span></a></span><br /> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://www.linkedin.com//in/simmalieberman/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">LinkedIn</span></a></span><br /> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://www.tiktok.com/@simmatheinclusionist" target="_blank" rel= "noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Tiktok</span></a></span><br /> <span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://raceconvo.libsyn.com/www.raceconvo.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Website</span></a></span><br /> <br /></p> <p><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><strong><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Previous Episodes<br /></span></strong></span></p> <h2 class="section-heading"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><a class="read_more" href= "https://raceconvo.libsyn.com/dr-gina-paige-on-african-ancestry-how-dna-reconnects-black-americans-to-their-african-roots" data-iframe-id="embed_41004975">Dr. Gina Paige on African Ancestry: How DNA Reconnects Black Americans to Their African Roots</a></span></h2> <h2 class="section-heading"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><a class="read_more" href= "https://raceconvo.libsyn.com/from-black-panther-to-corporate-america-elmer-dixon-on-race-revolution-and-why-dei-is-not-dead" data-iframe-id="embed_40734855">From Black Panther to Corporate America: Elmer Dixon on Race, Revolution, and Why DEI Is Not Dead</a></span></h2> <h2 class="section-heading"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><a class="read_more" href= "https://raceconvo.libsyn.com/why-we-cant-stop-talking-about-race-a-conversation-with-carol-copeland-thomas" data-iframe-id="embed_40650165">Why We Can't Stop Talking About Race: A Conversation with Carole Copeland Thomas</a></span></h2> <h2 class="section-heading"><span style= "font-size: 12pt;"><span data-preserver-spaces="true">Loved this episode? </span> <a class="editor-rtfLink" href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/everyday-conversations-on-race-for-everyday-people/id1416323393" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span data-preserver-spaces= "true">Leave us a review and rating</span></a></span></h2>

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Everyday Conversations Race brings people together for cross-race conversations on race. If you have ever wanted to have a conversation about race, then this podcast is for you.Our mission is to disrupt the way race is talked about, break racial silos and have a global impact on how people see each other.

We have from different backgrounds who share stories, thoughts on race, perspective on current social issues and pop culture happenings. We show that conversations about race are possible, urgent and essential for survival.

Guests are all ages from very young to very old, immigrants, students, formerly incarcerated, executives, hourly employees, social activists, hip-hop artists, athletes and media. It's serious, funny and insightful.

We have a global mission for these conversations, to eliminate fear of differences, bring people together in the same space, and find surprising connections.

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