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Liminal Podcasts
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education · health & fitness · religion & spirituality
54 Years with the Jesuit Enneagram | Dr. Jerome P Wagner PHD and Patrick O'Leary
Dr. Jerome P. Wagner, PhD, and Patrick O'Leary share their 54-year journey with the Jesuit Enneagram, revealing its origins and essential insights in this interview.
17 Jul 2025
The Grand Finale: Reflections on Season Five of Fathoms
The culmination of our fifth season encapsulates a profound exploration of growth through the lens of the Enneagram, revealing that true development demands a nuanced understanding of oneself and others. Throughout this season, we endeavored to showcase the diverse schools of thought within the Enneagram community, emphasizing the importance of critical thinking and the ability to hold complexity in our perspectives. The incomparable, Lee Fields joins us halfway through to give us her take on the season and illuminate the necessity for individuals to engage deeply with their own narratives while remaining open to the insights of others, thereby fostering an environment conducive to genuine growth. Together, we reflect on the journey we undertook, acknowledging the challenges faced and the insights gained, as we sought to create a lasting resource for our audience. As we transition into future endeavors, we remain committed to advancing the conversation surrounding the Enneagram, encouraging listeners to embrace both the rigidity and fluidity inherent in their personal growth journeys.
Big thanks to LEE FIELDS for joining us in this last episode. We love you Lee!
Awareness to Action (https://awarenesstoaction.com/)
Enneagram on Demand (https://atacertification.com/) - Certification Program
Mario Sikora:
IG: @mariosikora (http://instagram.com/mariosikora)
TikTok: @mariosikora (https://www.tiktok.com/@mariosikora)
Web: mariosikora.com (https://mariosikora.com/)
Substack: mariosikora.substack.com (https://mariosikora.substack.com/)
Maria Jose Munita:
IG: @mjmunita (http://instagram.com/mjmunita)
Web: mjmunita.com (https://mjmunita.com/)
Podcasts:
Awareness to Action (https://the-awareness-to-action.captivate.fm/listen)
Enneagram in a Movie (https://the-enneagram-in-a-movie.captivate.fm/listen)
The Narrative Tradition (https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/)
Terry Saracino:
Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ (https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/)
Christopher Copeland:
Web: illuminatingpaths.com (https://illuminatingpaths.com)
Narrative Podcasts:
Heart of the Enneagram (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/heart-of-the-enneagram/id1355386179)
The Somatic Enneagram (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-somatic-enneagram-podcast/id1757025216)
From Armor to Ease (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/from-armor-to-ease/id1674949198)
The Enneagram Institute (https://www.enneagraminstitute.com)
Gayle Scott:
Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com (mailto:gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com)
Michael Naylor:
Web - <a href="https://enneagrammaine.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"...
3 Jul 2025
Growth & Farewell: The Map, The Work, and the Way Forward (Part 2)
In Part 2, we unpack our thoughts on what the Enneagram teachers shared in our last episode. You'll hear us compare and contrast the models, and share what resonated with us, as well as what we'd like to see evolve, and we explore how we plan to synthesize all we've learned and carry it forward. We are so very grateful to our six teachers for their gift of time and knowledge, and their incredible generosity.
Mental Health Toolkit: Tools to Bolster Your Mood & Mental Health (https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/mental-health-toolkit-tools-to-bolster-your-mood-mental-health)
Awareness to Action (https://awarenesstoaction.com/)
Enneagram on Demand (https://atacertification.com/) - Certification Program
Mario Sikora:
IG: @mariosikora (http://instagram.com/mariosikora)
TikTok: @mariosikora (https://www.tiktok.com/@mariosikora)
Web: mariosikora.com (https://mariosikora.com/)
Substack: mariosikora.substack.com (https://mariosikora.substack.com/)
Maria Jose Munita:
IG: @mjmunita (http://instagram.com/mjmunita)
Web: mjmunita.com (https://mjmunita.com/)
Podcasts:
Awareness to Action (https://the-awareness-to-action.captivate.fm/listen)
Enneagram in a Movie (https://the-enneagram-in-a-movie.captivate.fm/listen)
The Narrative Tradition (https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/)
Terry Saracino:
Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/ (https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/)
Christopher Copeland:
Web: illuminatingpaths.com (https://illuminatingpaths.com)
Narrative Podcasts:
Heart of the Enneagram (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/heart-of-the-enneagram/id1355386179)
The Somatic Enneagram (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-somatic-enneagram-podcast/id1757025216)
From Armor to Ease (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/from-armor-to-ease/id1674949198)
The Enneagram Institute (https://www.enneagraminstitute.com)
Gayle Scott:
Email - gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com (mailto:gayle@enneagrammysteryschool.com)
Michael Naylor:
Web - enneagrammaine.com (https://enneagrammaine.com)
You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews (https://www.youtube.com/@enneagrammaineinterviewsmi9629)
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54 Years with the Jesuit Enneagram | Dr. Jerome P Wagner PHD and Patrick O'Leary
Published 27 Aug 2026 · Transcript excerpt
[…] And just for reference, Jerry and I are already deep into the Enneagram studies before that article is published. So as Jerry was trying to say, you know, until it got into book form, it was just word of mouth and subject to change. We continue this timeline with Claudio's entrance into this and We have researched and not found a definitive answer to this question, but why did Claudio leave the Eureka group? Because he didn't finish their year-long study of the Enneagram and other things. It was not limited to the Enneagram, and that's an important point because... When we first learned the Enneagram, it wasn't an exclusive thing either. […]
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