Fearless Founders is a podcast for dreamers, doers and disruptors. Hosted by Victoria Chanel, each episode explores the strategies, challenges, and triumphs of founders who’ve dared to take risks and dream big. Learn the fearless mindset that drives them to create lives rooted in Purpose, Profit, and Impact™. Compelling stories, actionable insights and inspiration to forge your own fearless path.
How Richmond Dinh Built a 7-Figure Coaching Business Without Ads
Richmond Dinh discusses building a seven-figure coaching business without ads through authenticity and the Tiny Challenge method in this interview with Victoria Chanel, revealing how entrepreneurs can thrive by embracing their true selves.
17 Apr 2025TRANSCRIPT
How to Build a Million-Dollar Life Without School, Permission, or a Plan B
Victoria Chanel interviews John Malott about overcoming adversity and building a multimillion-dollar life through radical accountability and personal development.
15 Apr 2025TRANSCRIPT
5 Steps to Build Recurring Revenue in Your Business!
Victoria Chanel shares five steps to build recurring revenue in your business and increase financial stability.
10 Apr 2025TRANSCRIPT
From Bookkeeper to Millionaire: Cody Sperber’s Real Estate Rise
Victoria Chanel interviews Cody Sperber, the Clever Investor, on his journey from bookkeeper to real estate millionaire, revealing the power of persistence and personal development.
1 Apr 2025TRANSCRIPT
Why Time Is Not Your Most Valuable Resource!
It’s not about managing time — it’s about managing your energy.
In this power-packed 10 Minute Tuesday episode, I will dive into the real secret behind productivity, performance, and peace of mind. Learn how to track your energy, restructure your day, and say no to what drains you — so you can say yes to your highest priorities!
Timestamps:
00:00 – Why energy is more important than time
00:22 – Challenging the “time is your most valuable asset” myth
00:46 – Your energy determines your success
01:00 – Hitting burnout: a personal story
01:10 – How managing energy changed everything
01:40 – Morning routines that fuel performance
02:19 – “You can’t pour from an empty cup”
02:40 – Busy ≠ productive: The distraction spiral
03:48 – Take back your time with intentional email blocks
04:27 – How to schedule around your energy peaks
05:52 – Protect your energy with healthy boundaries
06:08 – The “No” era: choosing aligned priorities
06:43 – Fueling your body for energy
07:45 – Eat light = stay sharp
08:08 – Move your body = recharge your power
08:53 – Audit your circle: Energizers vs. drainers
09:29 – Reflect: Where are you spending energy that’s not serving you?
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27 Mar 2025TRANSCRIPT
Training, Trauma & Tactical Purses: Real Talk with Some Chick Who Shoots
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In this empowering episode of Fearless Founders, firearms instructor and content creator Paige Roux (aka Some Chick Who Shoots) joins the show to talk all things self-protection, female empowerment, social media, entrepreneurship and her mission to help women feel confident and safe. From launching her viral concealed carry bag to building a six-figure business by staying authentic online, Paige shares her journey, hard-won lessons, and tactical advice—literally and figuratively!
Timestamps:
00:00 Meet Paige!
00:27 Reaching 60% female following in a male-dominated industry
01:10 Paige’s background: Growing up in a shooting range
02:25 Why 2020 was a turning point for women and firearms
03:16 Launching “Some Chick Who Shoots” to bridge fashion & safety
05:06 How firearms training builds confidence beyond the range
05:53 Where beginners should start + importance of proper training
08:03 Her unique “personal trainer” model for firearms education
10:22 Virtual training: Real examples of how it helps women
14:02 Smart, discreet carry: Why self-protection is layered
17:03 Losing brand deals in 2023—and the comeback story
21:00 How “Get Ready With Me” content helped her reconnect
23:39 Key strategy: Focusing on helping one woman at a time
25:36 Creative flow: Avoiding comparison and batching content
33:13 Treating social media as a business (not just a hobby)
36:10 Firearm storage safety—especially for households with kids
41:37 Teaching kids firearm safety based on maturity
44:02 Concealed carry holsters: Try-before-you-buy idea
46:09 Behind the viral success of her fanny pack-style carry bag
52:00 Final takeaway: You only need to prove yourself—to yourself
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25 Mar 2025TRANSCRIPT
3 Steps to Stop Caring About What Others Think!
Are you holding back from sharing your ideas, launching your business, or stepping into your power… all because of what someone else might think?
You’re not alone. Fear of judgment is one of the biggest things that keeps people stuck. But what if I told you that most of the opinions you're worried about... won’t even matter in the long run? In today’s episode, we’re diving deep into how to stop caring what people think—and start living boldly and unapologetically.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Introduction: Fear of judgment and how it holds us back
00:25 – The truth about opinions and who they’re really coming from
01:00 – A personal story: Moving to LA and facing criticism
02:30 – How that "crazy decision" became a cherished memory
03:06 – Your best decisions won’t always make sense to others
03:20 – Fear vs. Freedom: What’s really at stake
04:10 – That one post you didn’t make—who it could’ve helped
04:26 – The ripple effect of playing small
04:45 – 3 Ways to stop caring what others think
04:55 – 1. Shift your focus: Speak to those you're meant to help
05:58 – 2. Reframe criticism: Experience vs. noise
06:38 – 3. Take imperfect action: Clarity comes from doing
07:07 – Let your audience guide your evolution
07:12 – The only opinion that truly matters
07:31 – If even Jesus was judged... what does that tell us?
08:00 – Your weekly challenge: Do the bold thing
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20 Mar 2025TRANSCRIPT
The Entrepreneur’s Playbook: Dan Fleyshman on Wealth, Branding & Giving Back
In this Fearless Founders episode, Dan Fleyshman shares his journey from humble beginnings to becoming a serial entrepreneur, investor, and philanthropist. He reveals the secrets to building a personal brand, scaling businesses, and why relentless consistency is the key to success. From hosting major events to leading the world’s largest charity toy drive, Dan’s insights will inspire and challenge you to think bigger. Don’t miss this powerful conversation! 🚀
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction: The Power of Consistency & Personal Branding
1:30 Meet Dan Fleyshman: The Youngest Founder of a Publicly Traded Company in History
3:00 The Importance of Relentlessness in Business & Life
5:00 Overcoming Setbacks: Why You Should Never Give Up
7:30 The Impact of Charity & Giving Back
10:00 How Dan Built the World’s Largest Charity Toy Drive
12:00 The Key to Building a Successful Personal Brand
15:00 The Role of Social Media in Business Growth
18:00 The Power of Hosting Events & Connecting People
22:00 The Art of Scaling Businesses & Delegation
25:00 Lessons from Failure: Knowing When to Pivot
28:00 The Secret to Long-Term Success: Contracts & Clarity
30:00 The Impact of Fatherhood & Balancing Business with Family
35:00 How to Start From Scratch With No Money or Connections
40:00 The Business of Events: How to Host Profitable Gatherings
45:00 The Mindset of a Successful Entrepreneur
50:00 Future Goals: Scaling Partnerships & Expanding the Ranch
55:00 Final Thoughts: Why Consistency & Persistence Win Every Time
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18 Mar 2025TRANSCRIPT
5 Actionable Steps to Find Your Perfect Client! (Build Your Client Avatar)
Have you ever found yourself struggling to connect with your audience? Or close a sale? Even though you know your product or service is great! What if I told you the reason might be that your speaking to everyone, but not the right people. What if you could define exactly who your perfect client is, and tailor your message to them? In todays episode we will be finding this perfect client; your ideal client avatar!
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction: The power of creating an ideal client avatar
00:57 My past mistakes and how I turned them around
02:16 Quotes that highlight the importance of knowing your ideal client
03:19 Step 1: Demographic information
04:15 Step 2: Psychographics and values
04:53 Step 3: Understand their buying behaviour
05:34 Step 4: Create a persona
06:11 Step 5: Test and adjust
06:29 Reflection time
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11 Feb 2025TRANSCRIPT
Comparison is the thief of joy
Comparison is the thief of joy—but what if it’s also the thief of connection and success? In this episode, Victoria Chanel dives deep into the dangers of comparison culture, sharing her personal struggles and how she broke free from measuring her worth against others. She unpacks the four powerful shifts that helped her stop comparing and start thriving, from limiting social media distractions to practicing daily gratitude.
If you’ve ever felt "behind" in life or business, this episode will remind you that your journey is uniquely yours—and that’s what makes it powerful.
Timestamps
0:00 Introduction: Why comparison is the thief of joy
0:30 How comparison keeps us from appreciating our own journey
1:00 Personal story: Overcoming comparison in business & life
2:00 The hidden cost of comparing yourself to others
2:30 Powerful quotes on comparison & success
3:00 How comparison can also be the thief of connection
4:00 The 4-Step Framework to Stop Comparing:
5:30 Reflection: How to take action & stop comparison today
6:00 Final encouragement & next steps
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6 Feb 2025TRANSCRIPT
The War on Human Trafficking and the War against Tim Ballard
In this powerful episode of Fearless Founders, we welcome Tim Ballard, a leading voice in the fight against human trafficking. Tim shares his firsthand experiences from over a decade in Homeland Security, the daring rescues he's led, and the hidden truths about trafficking networks worldwide. He also opens up about the challenges and backlash he's faced, the controversies surrounding his work, and the documentaries and films bringing these critical issues to light. If you care about protecting children and combating modern slavery, this episode is a must-listen.
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Sound of Freedom | Official Trailer
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction: How Tim Ballard’s work inspired the host
1:00 Why human trafficking is still widely ignored
2:30 The importance of filming rescues & exposing the truth
5:00 How traffickers exploit wars, natural disasters & orphanages
10:00 The U.S. demand for child exploitation & how to stop it
15:00 The Sound of Freedom movie & why no one wanted to release it
20:00 The backlash & personal attacks against Tim Ballard
30:00 The legal battles, media narratives & fighting misinformation
40:00 A real-life trafficking rescue mission & shocking betrayals
50:00 What needs to change: Laws, policies & public awareness
55:00 Final thoughts & a teaser for Part 2
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4 Feb 2025TRANSCRIPT
The Habit Building hack YOU need to know about...
Struggling to stay consistent with your habits? You’re not alone! In this quick and practical episode, we’ll explore why motivation isn’t enough—and what actually works. Victoria Chanel shares a simple four-step strategy to help you build habits that last, plus inspiring quotes from experts like James Clear and Jim Rohn. Whether you want to start waking up early, exercise more, or stick to a daily routine, these actionable tips will get you there.
💡 Key Takeaways:
✔️ Why small steps beat big changes
✔️ The power of habit stacking
✔️ How tracking progress keeps you motivated
✔️ Why identity-based habits are the secret to success
🚀 Start small. Stay consistent. Change your life.
🎧 Listen now & share with a friend who needs this!
Timestamps:
0:00 Why is it so hard to stick to habits?
0:40 The problem with relying on motivation
1:30 Personal story: Failing at a morning routine
2:30 The power of starting small & building momentum
3:30 Three expert quotes on habits
4:00 The 4-Step Habit Framework:
Start small: Tiny actions lead to lasting habits
Anchor new habits: Attach them to existing routines
Track progress: Use a habit tracker for motivation
Focus on identity: Become the kind of person who does it
5:30 Overcoming struggles with accountability & ease
6:30 Final challenge: Pick one habit & start today!
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30 Jan 2025TRANSCRIPT
How One Snap Decision Created The Fastest Growing Tea Company in The Nation!
In this episode, we dive into the incredible journey of Drew Henry, founder of Revival Tea Company, the fastest-growing tea company in the U.S. Drew shares his entrepreneurial path, from selling cars and running a media business to nearly launching a whiskey brand before pivoting to tea. He discusses the challenges of building a brick-and-mortar business, surviving the pandemic, and transitioning to a franchise model with ambitious plans for 50 locations in the next decade. The episode also touches on leadership, company culture, and the importance of making business decisions based on logic rather than emotion.
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction & Drew’s journey to Revival Tea
3:00 From selling cars to launching a business
6:30 The almost whiskey business & pivoting to tea
10:00 Surviving COVID-19 & adapting the business
14:00 Expansion plans: 50 locations in 10 years
18:30 The biggest lesson from scaling a business
21:00 The mistake that almost ended Revival Tea
26:30 Profit vs revenue: The reality of business growth
31:00 Building a strong company culture & hiring process
39:00 How becoming a parent changed Drew’s leadership
47:00 Final thoughts & future of Revival Tea
50:00 How to invest & get involved in their WeFunder campaign
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28 Jan 2025TRANSCRIPT
Conquer Your Fears to Move Forward
What’s the one thing you’ve been avoiding because it terrifies you? Starting a business, having a difficult conversation, or chasing that dream? In today’s episode, we explore the transformative truth: everything you want is on the other side of fear.
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction: What’s holding you back?
0:12 Defining fearlessness and shifting your mindset.
0:34 My personal story of overcoming fear to launch my business.
1:10 Fear vs. regret: Why action beats inaction every time.
2:06 The “14 Fearless Actions” framework explained.
3:45 Four steps to tackle fear and build momentum.
5:05 Reflection: Write down one fear and your first step to overcome it.
5:34 Final encouragement and call to action.
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23 Jan 2025TRANSCRIPT
From Couch Surfer To ISLAND OWNER... with Britnie Turner
In this episode of Fearless Founders, we talk with Britnie Turner about her incredible journey from living in her car to owning a private island in just six years. Britnie shares her secrets to discovering her purpose, overcoming fear, and using her success to become a Force For Good in the world through her private island, non-profit Aerial Recovery, and the Heal the Heroes program.
Links and Resources from This Episode:
• Book your stay at Britnie’s all-inclusive private island: Aerial BVI https://aerialbvi.com
• Attend G-Force Mastermind: G-Force Membership
https://www.gforcemastermind.com/membership
• Support the mission to save lives and stop evil: Aerial Recovery
https://aerialrecovery.org
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:16 From Fear to Fearless
02:38 Finding Your Purpose
04:23 The Importance of Clarity
05:42 Overcoming Darkness
20:02 Finding Your Purpose Partner
26:56 Building a Purpose-Driven Business
31:17 Making a Difference in the World
38:54 Living a Life of Purpose
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22 Jan 2025TRANSCRIPT
What to expect from the Fearless Founders Podcast!
Hey there, fearless founder! Welcome to Fearless Founders, the podcast where we keep it real, raw, and ready for action. I’m your host, Victoria Chanel, and I’m here to help you take bold steps toward your God-given purpose. 💪✨
Here’s what you can expect:
Ten-Minute Tuesdays: Quick, actionable episodes under 10 minutes. No fluff, just focus. 🚀
Guest Features: Conversations with incredible experts—from big names to hidden gems—bringing you advice that truly moves the needle. 🎙️
This is more than just a podcast; it’s a community. 💬 Join our free space to connect with other fearless founders, ask questions, and suggest guests you’d love to hear from. Plus, you’ll get exclusive resources like PDFs packed with actionable steps, key takeaways, and memorable quotes.
And here’s the thing—this podcast wouldn’t exist without God’s guidance. 🙏 So, if you’re ready for faith-filled conversations, practical lessons, and prayers over your journey, you’re in the right place.
Hit subscribe, share the love, and let’s take this journey together. Let’s be fearless, founder! 💖
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How Richmond Dinh Built a 7-Figure Coaching Business Without Ads
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