Like many others, we (Steve & Nathan) are on a spiritual journey of deconstruction and reconstruction to find what God truly wants of us. Just like Israel followed the pillar of fire in the desert, we want to follow God wherever we are led. And just like Israel, we get lost a lot, we get it wrong a lot, but we're trying our best to follow and have a relationship with the Father. Join us on the journey!
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Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
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62: Where Are We Going?: The different destinations of deconstruction
Steve talks to Josh Kaiser, former pastor turned deconstruction coach, about the different places people tend to end up at the end of their deconstruction / faith journeys (if there even is an end). Josh has a lot of wisdom and insight to this whole crazy process, so be sure to give this one your time.
Josh Kaiser’s TikTok: @theLocalHeretic (https://www.tiktok.com/@thelocalheretic)
Origen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen)
Jerome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome)
Justin Matyr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Martyr)
Augustine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo)
Mark Driscoll (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll)
Vivant Life Coaching (https://www.vivantcoaching.com)
Brewery Vivant (https://breweryvivant.com)
Christian Mysticism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism)
Josh’s video about mysticism (https://www.tiktok.com/@thelocalheretic/video/7155234118576508202)
John Philip Newell (https://www.earthandsoul.org/john-philip-newell)
Cognitive Dissonance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance)
Pete Enns (https://thebiblefornormalpeople.com/about-pete-enns/)
The Bible for Normal People (https://thebiblefornormalpeople.com/)
Richard Rohr (https://cac.org/about/our-teachers/richard-rohr/)
Film: “Ghandi” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhi_(film))
Hymn: “O Sacred Head” (https://youtu.be/p5hjdz4xZF4)
Vertical vs. Horizontal Morality (https://stevecullum.com/2017/04/27/vertical-vs-horizontal-morality/)
Annihilationism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism)
Podcast: The Local Heretic Live (https://thelocalhereticlive.buzzsprout.com)
Thomas Merton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Merton)
Book: “The Naked Now” by Richard Rohr (https://amzn.to/3AuzOFV)
Book: “The Universal Christ” (https://amzn.to/3i0S6YS)
Book:“Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps” (https://amzn.to/3Vewnv0)
Books by John Philip Newell (https://amzn.to/3hV1kWt)
All of our music is by Daniel Wheat:
Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp (https://danielwheat.bandcamp.com)
Follow his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/danielwheatmusic/)
And listen on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/artist/26EjMDBdKGmxBXEwkGWCkd?si=bQ8wtAeiSImTVmf8asqxrA)
Special Guest: Josh Kaiser.
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16 Nov 2022
61: Watching The Watchmen: Christian Nationalism isn’t going anywhere
We read “The Watchman Decree” (and even hear a disturbing recitation of it) and discuss the implications of Christian Nationalism in America. What do we do about it? Can we do anything? Is maybe just a little bit okay? (Spoiler: No. No, it’s not)
Following the Fire Facebook Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/487826142679626)
Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ (https://www.plymouthucc.org/)
Free Dad Hugs shirt (https://amzn.to/3GlXZtW)
Free Mom Hugs (official) (https://freemomhugs.org)
Christian Nationalism (https://www.christiansagainstchristiannationalism.org/statement)
Theocracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy)
Sharia Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia)
Book: “The Founding Myth” by Andrew Seidel (https://amzn.to/3EbCyJh)
The Watchman Decree (https://flashpoint.govictory.com/atlanta-declaration/)
Article: “The ‘Watchman Decree’ is a scary vision of Christian nationalism in action” (https://onlysky.media/hemant-mehta/the-watchman-decree-is-a-scary-vision-of-christian-nationalism-in-action/)
The Moral Majority (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority)
Samuel Perry (https://www.ou.edu/cas/soc/people/faculty/samuel-perry)
Book: “Do I Stay Christian?” By Brian McLaren (https://amzn.to/3X7bTpt)
Parable of the Weeds in Matthew 13 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13%3A24-43&version=NRSVUE)
Theme music by Daniel Wheat!
Find his music and merch at his Bandcamp (https://danielwheat.bandcamp.com)
And follow his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/danielwheatmusic/)
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9 Nov 2022
60: Make It Make Sense: Why do American Christians elevate horrible people?
The things we lift up and admire say a lot about us. Why, then, do so many evangelical Christians in America lift up the worst of us like Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and others. Has Christianity always been like this? Is there any way to redeem it?
Halloween was weirdly warm
Nathan can only handle “evangelical scary”
Steve has numbed himself to everything “scary”
Series: “Midnight Mass” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Mass_(miniseries))
Film Genre: Elevated Horror (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_horror)
Film: “Midsommar” (https://youtu.be/1Vnghdsjmd0)
Director: Martin McDonnaugh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_McDonagh)
Film: “In Bruges (https://youtu.be/96harmMOyiY)
Purgatory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory)
Bruges, Belgium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruges)
www.letterboxd.com (https://letterboxd.com)
6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon)
Film: “Amelie” (https://youtu.be/HUECWi5pX7o)
Film: “Rubber” (https://youtu.be/hVKgY1ilx0Y)
Film: “The Social Dilemma” (https://youtu.be/uaaC57tcci0)
Elon Musk buys Twitter (https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/27/elon-musk-bought-twitter/)
Tesla (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.)
SpaceX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX)
Ford valuation (https://companiesmarketcap.com/ford/marketcap/)
Tesla valuation (https://companiesmarketcap.com/tesla/marketcap/)
Attention Economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_economy)
Lauren Boebert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Boebert)
Mark Driscoll (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll)
Colt McCoy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_McCoy)
Series: “Knight Rider” (https://youtu.be/jQfU1WIaukg)
Film: “Doc Hollywood” (https://youtu.be/STvC6FXu1-M)
Film: “Cars” (https://youtu.be/pQly7_Cj34U)
Weird Al Yankovic (https://www.weirdal.com)
Documentary: “God Forbid” about Jerry Falwell, Jr. (https://youtu.be/0NbSoiJn0sc)
The Power Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Team)
Height of CEO’s in America (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/the-necktie-syndrome-why-ceos-tend-to-be-significantly-taller-than-the-average-male/articleshow/10178115.cms?from=mdr)
Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us)
Cracker Barrel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_Barrel)
Book: “The Divine Conspiracy” by Dallas Willard (https://amzn.to/3hxVvhP)
The Beatitudes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes)
Constantine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great)
IXTHYS fish symbol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys)
Book: “Do I Stay Christian?” By Dan McLaren (https://amzn.to/3UuInbF)
Jairus’ Daughter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_of_Jairus%27_daughter)
Jesus healing the bleeding woman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_healing_the_bleeding_woman)
Theme music by Daniel Wheat!
Find his music and merch at his Bandcamp (https://danielwheat.bandcamp.com)
And follow his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/danielwheatmusic/)
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