A Jesuit college judges itself on who our students become and ‘Formative’ is an interview podcast about those lives and stories. It features intimate conversations with notable alums – from arts and culture, public service, business, philanthropy, sports, education, science, and so on – from Jesuit colleges across the country. Host Michael Serazio, associate professor of communication at Boston College, asks questions about who and what shaped their life journeys, influenced their successes, and guided them through callings, causes, challenges, and careers. An official podcast of Conversations Magazine and the National Seminar on Jesuit Higher Education, ‘Formative’ is about the impact our graduates have had and how they might inspire future generations of young people to set the world on fire.
Formative 16: The business of talking your way out of crisis (with Roshini Rajkumar, Boston College ‘93)
The path to a successful broadcast journalism career doesn’t usually start in law school. But that’s where Roshini Rajkumar, Boston College class of 1993, started hers. Rajkumar combined a genetic penchant for the cinematic arts with a passion for justice and sticking up for the little guy on her way through big city TV markets of the Midwest. And, then, twenty years ago this month, she turned entrepreneurial and launched a strategic consulting firm that would accompany her "The Crisis Files" podcast and legal analyst expertise. In episode 16 of Formative, we talk about how corporate brands can go awry when riffing on the news cycle; why objectivity ought not be a dirty word in journalism; and how the U.S. Constitution can offer the path out of the terrible crisis besieging her hometown of Minneapolis.
7 May 2025
Formative 15: From childhood sports fan to pro team president (with Mark Lamping, Rockhurst University ‘80)
When Mark Lamping, Rockhurst University class of 1980, was camping out for World Series tickets in the 4th grade, he wouldn’t have dared to dream of running the team one day. Ironically lucky for him, a 1994 strike and cancelled season found those same St. Louis Cardinals in need of the longtime Anheuser-Busch marketing executive. The national pastime – our summer storyline that unspools slowly and satisfyingly – had been stolen from fans. It was a call to repair and rebuild. In episode 15 of Formative, we talk about the commercial value of fan emotion; why the NFL remains the last form of American mass culture amidst fragmentation; and taking a mid-life leap from professional comfort and stability to go build a billion-dollar stadium for New York City.
22 Jan 2025
Formative 14: In politics, may the best argument win (with Kathleen Hall Jamieson, Marquette University ‘67)
Kathleen Hall Jamieson has an enlightenment faith in “eloquentia perfecta” – faith in reason, faith in facts, faith in public debate and civil discourse. Sometimes – and especially these days – that faith might feel in short supply. But that faith took Jamieson from Marquette University, class of 1967, to the heights of political communication scholarship – authoring a library shelf of pioneering books, achieving a CV’s worth of distinguished career awards, and serving as both dean and public policy center director at the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg School for Communication. In episode 14 of Formative, we talk about presidential communication styles from Reagan’s televisual charm to Trump’s norm-shattering volume; the epistemological peril in discrediting expertise; and how rhetoric, at its best, can open up the humanity of an audience.
31 Jul 2024
Formative 13: A career-long view from the American embassy (with Harry Thomas, Holy Cross ‘78)
When Harry Thomas, College of the Holy Cross class of 1978, first took the foreign service exam, the kid from Queens couldn’t speak another language and had never been outside the country. Over three decades later, he’d served as ambassador to Bangladesh, the Philippines, and Zimbabwe, along with a portfolio of distinguished State Department postings across the arc of a fraught geopolitical era. In episode 13 of Formative, we talk about being accused of fomenting a coup by the Mugabe regime with racist vitriol; why ideals of democracy and human rights bring a message of hope worldwide; and how the curiosity the Jesuits instilled in him helped navigate culture shocks felt from Worcester to Manila.
14 May 2024
Formative 12: When an endangered child can’t come home (with Darcy Olsen, Georgetown ‘93)
It was newborn infant sleeping in a homeless shelter in a government office building that changed Darcy Olsen’s life. The Georgetown University class of 1993 alum had thought she knew her purpose, both personally and professionally, serving as CEO of the Goldwater Institute think tank and advocating for public policy reforms like terminally ill patients’ right to try cutting-edge medications. But that foster child beget nine more along the way to becoming the founder of the Center for the Rights of Abused Children, which offers pro bono legal services to help protect the rights and safety of abandoned kids. In episode 12 of Formative, we talk about the source of her social justice passions; the opioid crisis and communal disintegration that creates a need for her work; and why the utter helplessness of children makes them society’s most heartbreakingly vulnerable.
21 Feb 2024
Formative 11: What’s eating away at our local food systems (with Erika Polmar, St. Louis University ‘89)
You don’t have to tell Erika Polmar, St. Louis University, class of 1989, that “we are what we eat.” Her reverence for local food systems has been lifelong. It inspired her Oregon-based farm-dinner series, Plate + Pitchfork, to educate eaters about the people and places that their sustenance originates. And when the pandemic closures devastated restaurants nationwide, she co-founded the Independent Restaurant Coalition, advocating to help secure some $30 billion in rescue funds for her 500,000 trade group members. Solving complex, intertwined social and political puzzles, Polmar often seems to have a lot on her plate. In episode 11 of Formative, we talk about why food mediates our relationship to time; how to get healthy, fresh alternatives to eaters of all economic backgrounds; and if “we are what we eat,” we’re also where we eat.
12 Dec 2023
Formative 10: Steeling the judicial ramparts on the last line of democracy (with Benes Aldana, Seattle University ‘91)
When it comes to the faith and health of the American judiciary, no one would likely describe this as “the best of times.” Judges faces personal threats; courts are seen as politicized; and public opinion slumps, in tandem with civic education. But that’s the challenge that faces the last line of democracy, as Benes Aldana, frames it. The idealistic Seattle University, class of 1991, alum is president of the National Judicial College, which tasks itself with addressing these issues. In episode 10 of Formative, we talk about the moral education that informed him when working on detainee cases at Guantanamo Bay after 9/11; the need to create an anti-racist court to address issues of systemic, unconscious bias; and how the Jesuits taught him that relationships and love must be the foundation of any professional aspiration.
16 Oct 2023
Formative 9: The cartoonist’s pen versus the autocrat’s sword (with Adam Zyglis, Canisius University ‘04)
If the job of journalism is to speak truth to power, newspaper cartoonists do it with a paintbrush in hand and a tongue-in-cheek. This puts them in the crosshairs of thin-skinned dictators abroad and on “the front lines of the first amendment” at home, as Adam Zyglis, Canisius University, class of 2004, phrases it. Since graduating from the school paper to The Buffalo News as its youngest staffer, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Zyglis has, quite literally, drawn readers’ attention to the issues of the day in a fashion that transcends language and both punches and tickles you in the gut. In episode 9 of Formative, we talk about the escalating backlash and hate felt by journalists thanks to social media; doing your best to fill your own shoes when following esteemed predecessors; and how he uses lies to, ultimately, tell the truth.
21 Apr 2023
Formative 8: On the front lines of the global refugee crisis (with Michael Gallagher, SJ, Spring Hill College ‘73)
103 million people. That’s the United Nations’ best estimate of how many have been forcibly displaced worldwide – some of the highest recorded waves of migration since World War 2. And for decades now, Father Michael Gallagher of the Society of Jesus and Spring Hill College class of 1973, has been on the front lines of those borders and those crises. From providing direct legal representation in El Paso to helping formulate global policy in Geneva, from the Caribbean to southern Africa to Latin America, Father Gallagher has embodied the ministry of accompaniment that defines the Jesuit Refugee Service. In episode 8 of Formative, we talk about the escalating danger that aid workers face on the front-lines; the scapegoating lies peddled about foreigners by polarizing politicians; and being adaptive to the surprises that God throws your way – like needing to identify the sound of a Kalashnikov rifle after you’ve passed age 60.
11 Mar 2023
Formative 7: The triumphs and trials of women's professional soccer (with Danielle Slaton, Santa Clara University ‘02)
When Danielle Slaton, class of 2002 at Santa Clara University, was selected as the #1 overall draft-pick in the WUSA, both she and top-level women’s soccer were riding high: Slaton captaining the Broncos to a collegiate national championship and, later, West Coast Conference Hall of Fame entry; the US Women’s National Team etching a now-legendary 1999 World Cup victory into the collective memory of sports fandom. And in the decades since, both Slaton and women’s soccer have endured trials and enjoyed triumphs. In episode 7 of Formative, we talk about rediscovering a professional identity in your twenties when the body, inevitably, gives out; why the sexual abuse scandals that have plagued players over the years were the worst-kept secret in the beautiful game; and what it’s going to take for women’s soccer to achieve not just progress and equality in the American sports media landscape, but outright dominance on par with the NFL or NBA.
22 Nov 2022
Formative 6: The advance of the city college (with Ricardo Fernandez, Marquette University ‘62)
In a nation today that’s beset by deep, structural inequalities, the ladder of socioeconomic advancement leans heavily on public city colleges like CUNY’s Lehman in the Bronx. And for a quarter-century, Ricardo Fernandez, class of 1962 at Marquette University, steered that ship. The sea was not always calm: under-resourced institutions survive on threadbare margins; a state budget shortfall begets a financial crisis which begets the furor of students and employees alike. But President Fernandez believed deeply in schools like Lehman as a means of mobility for first-generation, low-income, and students of color and a beacon within blighted blocks. In episode 6 of Formative, we talk about the imperative of maintaining higher education as a public good; assigning Saul Alinsky as homework rather than prosecuting student strikers occupying university buildings; and the eternal task of learning how to learn as technology overtakes the labor landscape for graduates.
7 Oct 2022
Formative 5: Mayoral imagination, big-city transformation (with Tom Murphy, John Carroll University ‘67)
When Tom Murphy, class of 1967 at John Carroll University, won the Pittsburgh mayor’s office in the early 1990s, cities in general – and the Steel City in particular – were in rough shape. Pittsburgh had seen its population sawed in half, the byproduct of industrial decline and economic blight. The son of a mill worker, Murphy knew this working-class legacy well, even as he battled to implement a vision for tomorrow’s jobs, knowing that those of his father’s generation were probably not coming back. In episode 5 of Formative, we talk about the importance of risk and guts when leadership has to steer people through their fear of change, why crime will never be an issue that policing alone can solve, and what brings him hope and joy in these inspirational tableaus of collectivity that we call cities.
26 Apr 2022
Formative 4: How to cover the Pope (with Delia Gallagher, University of San Francisco '91)
A two-thousand-year-old institution, ensconced in pageantry, and shrouded in secrecy – that’s what Delia Gallagher, class of 1991 at the University of San Francisco, has covered for decades as CNN’s chief Vaticanologist. With a front row seat in the Rome-based press corps, she’s chronicled both the sacred and the profane and navigated contrasting papal styles: from the terse, professorial Benedict to the mystical, freewheeling Francis. It is a beat like no other, one attentive to both the heights of moral power and the intimacies of personal faith. In episode 4 of Formative, we talk about the intercultural nuances of working at global headquarters, her longing for depth amidst the superficial pressures of the news media, and why you should follow your bliss and be surprised where it takes you.
1 Mar 2022
Formative 3: Polling for a common good in polarized times (John Zogby, Le Moyne '70)
Public opinion polling is a powerful practice: It legitimizes sentiment, crystallizes reality. It’s irresistible to political journalists. And, for several decades now, John Zogby, class of 1970 at Le Moyne College, has been one of its highest profile practitioners – featured in The New Yorker, a repeat guest on The Daily Show, and namechecked on The West Wing and House of Cards. From his near-perfect call of Clinton in 1996, Zogby has polled across the aisle and around the world. A self-professed political junkie, he once ran for mayor himself – and knew just how much he was going to lose by before election day hit. He’s written books about tribal identity in America and the global sensibility of its millennial generation and advocated on behalf of his fellow Arab-Americans through the dark discrimination of the War on Terror and the attempted Muslim ban. In episode 3 of Formative, we talk about whether polling has gone haywire on Trump, the high that comes from knowing what’s going to happen in the future before anyone else does, and what it’ll take to find some common good that might put our broken nation back together again.
13 Dec 2021
Formative 2: Homeless on the streets of Philadelphia (with Sister Mary Scullion, St. Joseph's University '76)
You can judge a civilization by how it treats its most destitute – those who, in the words of Matthew 25, represent the least fortunate of God’s people. For five decades on the streets of Philadelphia, Sister Mary Scullion, class of 1976 at St. Joseph’s University, has served as a woman for and with others. Through her Project HOME organization, she’s helped shepherd thousands out of the cycle of homelessness – offering them not just a shelter roof, but health care, education, and employment. She’s an activist for raising the minimum wage, homeless voter registration, and decriminalizing loitering; she’s also been arrested for passing out food and has taken over city building basements during freezing winter nights. A beloved local hero, she’s won the Laetare Medal, American Catholicism’s highest honor, and made Time Magazine’s annual list of the world’s 100 most influential people. In episode 2 of Formative, we talk about the inspiration she drew from Father Pedro Arrupe, the exhausting trauma of ministering through a pandemic, and what the homeless usually see when those with housing look at them.
14 Sept 2021
Formative 1: Lessons from NFL coaches for teaching middle school (with Sean Guthrie, Boston College '01)
Division 1 college sports demands a herculean focus and discipline – to say nothing of trying to make the pros. Sean Guthrie, class of 2001 at Boston College, has that just that drive. It took the former defensive end captain of the Eagles to the grueling crucible of the NFL. And it’s vaulted him onward to work in a setting some might think is just as tough and punishing: middle school. But it’s there that he finds his inspiration; it’s there that he finds his flow. In episode 1 of Formative, we talk about the limits of the human body, why sometimes a kid needs a Tom Coughlin and other times a kid needs a Tony Dungy, and what defines the shameful inequalities of America’s education system.
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