Friends Between Worlds

About Friends Between Worlds

Welcome to Friends Between Worlds, a place for people who feel the tension of our modern world. We help you feel less alone, and gain cutting-edge perspectives from some fascinating thinkers of our time.

Publisher

Christina Congleton

Category

society & culture

Language

en

Explicit

No

First episode

19 Dec 2025

Latest episode

2 Sept 2026

Latest episodes

7 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   2 Sept 2026

   We are a drop in the ocean, nothing and everything: Human development with Dr. Susanne Cook-Greuter

   To join the conversation please visit: https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode6 (https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode6) Dr. Susanne Cook-Greuter discusses her early life, family influence, academic journey, and the discovery of adult development theories. She emphasizes the empirical grounding of ego development theory and introduces the arc representation of development and stages of ego development in Western culture. Our conversation explores cultural conditioning and growth in postconventional stages. We also discuss cautions and limitations as well as the gifts and flexibility of ego development theory, challenges of categorization and hierarchy, and uncertainty of the future. The discussion concludes with encouragement for finding joy in daily life. Chapters 00:00 Intro 01:40 Shaped by a sense of care 08:40 Studying adult development theories 13:17 Empirical research on ego development 17:07 Working with Jane Loevinger 19:15 The arc of development 32:58 Different models of what it means to be an adult 37:52 Developmental models have been applied colonially 40:23 Cautions in applying ego development theory 42:38 Gifts and limitations of the theory 44:30 Ego development as a map of the Western path 50:30 We don't know what the future will bring 01:00:12 Find things that give you joy 01:01:59 It's okay to just be stardust 01:03:43 From Newton's to Einstein's models 01:09:35 Learning about indigenous ways of explaining life 01:13:14 Outro Susanne’s website is: https://www.cook-greuter.com/ (https://www.cook-greuter.com/) You can learn about the arc of development here: https://www.cook-greuter.com/arc-of-development (https://www.cook-greuter.com/arc-of-development) Keywords: developmental psychology, ego development, meaning making, postconventional, postmodern, uncertainty, joy Theme music is “Building Without Materials” by Aaron Vaurio Jackson: https://aaronvauriojackson.com/home (https://aaronvauriojackson.com/home) Additional music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: RCCCMKY8UFJSR0GZ This conversation was recorded on July 22, 2026 *These show notes were generated with help from an AI

2. 

   2 Jul 2026

   We find ourselves abstracted: Exploring neoliberal & decolonial psychologies with Dr. Glenn Adams

   To join the conversation please visit: www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode5 (http://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode5) This episode features Dr. Glenn Adams, professor of psychology at the University of Kansas and director of the Kansas African Studies Center. We review four features of neoliberal subjectivity from the paper “The Psychology of Neoliberalism and the Neoliberalism of Psychology.” These include: (1) a sense of freedom from constraint that affords an experience of radical abstraction from context; (2) the creation of an entrepreneurial self as project of ongoing development; (3) an imperative for individual growth and personal fulfillment as the key to well-being; and (4) an emphasis on affect regulation as a key to personal success. While not inherently “bad”, these features affect things like collective investment and communities of care. We also discuss colonialism as the dark side or the shadow of modernity, and Glenn’s work in the space of decolonial psychology. Chapters 00:00 Intro 06:18 A profound educational experience and questioning what is natural 10:37 The meaning of WEIRD 12:23 Recognizing difference and post-colonialism 14:50 Self as object, subjectivity as experience, self-ways as culturally shared models 18:54 Neoliberalism as a cultural, psychological phenomenon 23:39 Neoliberalism as liberalism on steroids 26:14 Feature 1 - Radical abstraction 28:42 Connection to self-authorship 29:30 The impact of neoliberalism on community care 34:53 Feature 2 - The Entrepreneurial Self 36:53 Feature 3 - Affect management 40:06 What is love? 43:26 Feature 4 - Growth imperative 44:36 The perfect match is out there somewhere... 51:08 Decolonizing psychology 55:48 Coloniality as the dark side of modernity 59:10 Closing questions 01:03:01 Challenging the assumptions that underpin modern individualism 01:08:02 Connecting through interdisciplinary engagement 01:12:27 Outro Learn more about the Readsura Decolonial Editorial Colletive here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMgP6RNVyxynLfnf1NsNzAQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMgP6RNVyxynLfnf1NsNzAQ) Dr. Kopano Ratele’s book is “The World Looks Like This From Here”: https://nyupress.org/9781776143900/the-world-looks-like-this-from-here/ (https://nyupress.org/9781776143900/the-world-looks-like-this-from-here/) Keywords: growth imperative, radical abstraction, social costs, environmental impact, collective well-being Theme music is “Building Without Materials” by Aaron Vaurio Jackson: https://aaronvauriojackson.com/home (https://aaronvauriojackson.com/home) This conversation was recorded on May 20, 2026 *These show notes were generated with help from an AI

3. 

   30 Mar 2026

   We’ve taken our modern worldview as far as it will go: Discovering ‘Mind Space’ with Dr. Ron Purser

   To join the conversation please visit: https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode4 (https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode4) This episode features Dr. Ron Purser, professor of management at San Francisco State University and author of multiple books including 'McMindfulness: How Mindfulness Became the New Capitalist Spirituality', and the newly released 'Mind Space: Discovering Meditation Without the Meditator'. We discuss his background and the influence of the Time Space Knowledge (TSK) vision on his life. Topics include the critique of McMindfulness, limits of the modern worldview, and Descartes' perspective on the self. The conversation explores cultural angst and the impact of mindfulness without ethics. It explores the dimensions of space and time, and how ethics arise from wonder. Key Topics Critique of McMindfulness and corporate mindfulness Introduction to Mind Space and its principles The role of space, time, and ethics in perception The impact of the modern worldview and neoliberalism Practices for experiencing higher space and openness Chapters 00:00 Introduction 03:12 An impenetrable book 06:01 Stealth Zen at the fringes of organizational studies 10:18 What is McMindfulness? 14:09 We've taken our modern worldview as far as it will go 16:37 We're suffering from a very cramped worldview 18:26 Lost in productivity 22:04 It's so close that it seems too good to be true 23:04 Breakout mentality and focal setting 29:41 Staying stuck in the heroic approach 32:24 What Descartes forgot 33:47 Agency 34:30 Identity is a high-maintenance activity 35:48 Overcompensation and reality projects 39:16 Polluted mind streams 41:00 Exploring Mind Space 47:08 The interplay of wonder and ethics 51:54 Encounter as a meeting of value 56:57 Space and time have your back 58:39 Closing questions 01:09:50 Outro Learn more about Dr. Purser here: https://ronpurser.com/ (https://ronpurser.com/) Keywords: Mindfulness, McMindfulness, Mind Space, space and time, ethics, modern worldview, spirituality, management, Buddhism, societal change Theme music is “Building Without Materials” by Aaron Vaurio Jackson: https://aaronvauriojackson.com/home (https://aaronvauriojackson.com/home) This conversation was recorded on March 5, 2026 *These show notes were generated with help from an AI

4. 

   10 Feb 2026

   For the Great Turning, we need just about everyone: Returning self to nature with Dr. Jeanine Canty

   To join the conversation please visit: https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode3 (https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode3) In this conversation with Dr. Jeanine Canty, professor of transformative studies at California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) and author of 'Returning the Self to Nature', we delve into the influence of open-heartedness, the concept of the Great Turning, the ailing of Western civilization, the link between narcissism and the ecological crisis, and the transition to becoming menders of Earth-based wisdom. We explore the impact of embodying open-heartedness and the need to foster it in a divided world. Additionally, we discuss the undoing of collective narcissism and its role in healing the planet, as well as the original trauma and primal matrix in the context of ecological consciousness. The conversation covers the concept of the false self and its connection to attachment theory, exploring the impact of damaged relationships with primary caregivers and Mother Earth. It then transitions to a discussion on narcissism, self-awareness, and the importance of recognizing false realities. Finally, the conversation explores the need to establish a participatory relationship with the natural world.

5. 

   5 Jan 2026

   Who do we know around us?: Disrupting loneliness loops with Dr. Olivia Sagan

   To join the conversation please visit: https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode2 (https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode2) In this conversation with Dr. Olivia Sagan, Director for the Centre for Applied Social Sciences at Queen Margaret University, we explore the relationship between loneliness and solitude, the societal and structural factors contributing to loneliness, and the importance of self-compassion and community. We discuss the impact of neoliberal materialism on experiences of loneliness, and the unique challenges faced by younger generations. The conversation emphasizes the need for a shift in discourse around loneliness, advocating for a perspective that recognizes the potential for personal growth and connection through mindfulness practices, creative outlets, and community engagement. Takeaways Loneliness is often confused with solitude, which can be a positive experience. Shame and self-loathing are common feelings associated with loneliness. The discourse around loneliness can contribute to a 'loneliness loop' where negative feelings compound. Epistemic injustice occurs when individuals feel unheard and unseen, exacerbating loneliness. The narrative around loneliness often overlooks structural factors contributing to the issue. Creative outlets can help individuals cope with loneliness and foster self-discovery. Younger generations face unique challenges, including economic insecurity and the impact of social media. Chapters 03:20 To be shaped by mountains 06:52 Solitude vs loneliness 09:29 Facets of loneliness 14:46 Loneliness loops and epistemic injustice 20:52 Loneliness in neoliberal society 27:39 Generational challenges 33:17 Old stuff isn't working anymore 38:30 The we-ness in the wellness 40:17 Loneliness hysteria 44:33 Loneliness and WEIRD psychology 46:35 Changing the loneliness discourse 47:01 Benefits of loneliness 51:36 Our fragmented attention 53:51 Meditation, self-compassion, and environmental conservation Learn more about Professor Sagan at https://www.qmu.ac.uk/schools-and-divisions/psychology-sociology-and-education/psychology-sociology-and-education-staff/professor-olivia-sagan (https://www.qmu.ac.uk/schools-and-divisions/psychology-sociology-and-education/psychology-sociology-and-education-staff/professor-olivia-sagan) Keywords: loneliness, solitude, mental health, public health, emotional well-being, social connection, epistemic injustice, community, self-compassion Theme music is “Building Without Materials” by Aaron Vaurio Jackson: https://aaronvauriojackson.com/home (https://aaronvauriojackson.com/home) This conversation was recorded on November 5, 2025 *These show notes were generated with help from an AI

6. 

   20 Dec 2025

   Once you see it you can't unsee it: Neoliberal social media with Dr. L. Ayu Saraswati

   To join the conversation, please visit https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode1 (https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds/episode1) In this conversation with Dr. L. Ayu Saraswati, professor at the University of Hawaii and award-winning author, we discuss neoliberalism, the impact of social media on emotional well-being, and the importance of emotional contracts in creating supportive structures. We explore the concepts of docile and defiant perception, and a vigilant eco-love that emphasizes community engagement and collective well-being. The discussion culminates in the idea of feminist enchantment, which encourages individuals to reconnect with their emotions and the world around them, fostering moments of delight and care. Takeaways -Neoliberalism emphasizes individualism, leading to disconnection. -Emotional contracts can provide a framework for mutual support. -Social media can alienate us from our true emotions. -Vigilant eco love encourages community engagement and transformation. -Feminist enchantment allows for moments of joy amidst struggle. -Understanding docile vs. defiant perception helps us challenge harmful ideologies. -The self is part of a larger ecological context. -Activism can take many forms, including local community engagement. Chapters 00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZM1iy9HA4) Intro 07:44 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZM1iy9HA4&t=464s) Neoliberalism, social media, and the selfie self 20:11 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZM1iy9HA4&t=1211s) Self-love vs. emotional contracts 26:31 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZM1iy9HA4&t=1591s) Docile vs. Defiant perception 36:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZM1iy9HA4&t=2179s) Vigilant Eco-love 42:15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZM1iy9HA4&t=2535s) Feminist enchantment and community engagement Dr. Saraswati’s website: https://drsaraswati.com/ (https://drsaraswati.com/) Keywords: neoliberalism, social media, emotional contracts, self-love, institutional support, docile perception, defiant perception, vigilant eco-love, feminist enchantment This conversation was recorded on August 6, 2025 *These show notes were generated with help from an AI

7. 

   19 Dec 2025

   Trailer - Friends Between Worlds

   Please visit https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds (https://www.axonleadership.com/friendsbetweenworlds) to be part of the conversation. The world feels on edge. Unsettled. Like we’re standing at a threshold between what was and what might be. If you feel this too—if you sense that something fundamental is shifting, that the old ways aren’t working—you’re not alone. And that’s exactly why this podcast exists. Welcome to Friends Between Worlds. This is a space for those of us who refuse to burrow deeper into separate foxholes. It’s for those who want to come above ground and figure things out together. Here’s what I believe: separation is the root of so much of our suffering right now. I am not the first to say this – many people have been saying this, some for a very long time. I want to add my voice to that chorus. We’ve been scattered by systems that have made us into empires of one—overly burdened, overly responsible, increasingly isolated. And when we’re divided like this, we can’t come together to solve problems. We can’t create solutions that are good for community, good for Earth, or good for the whole. The dangers are real. We’re watching polarization intensify. Mental health decline. We’re at risk of succumbing to the environmental and social pollutions we’re creating, precisely because we’re trying to face them alone. And there’s an old truth at work here: divide and conquer. When people are scattered and isolated, they don’t unite around what matters most. But here’s what gives me hope: we are social creatures. Problem-solving together is what human beings have always done. It’s our nature. We really are made for times like these. Friends Between Worlds offers two things: First, connection. A place to feel less alone. To discover that others are grappling with the same questions and recognizing we need new ways forward. And second, provocative thinking. Because as the saying goes, the level of thinking that created the problem can’t solve the problem. We need perspectives that challenge the status quo—cutting-edge thinkers who can help us see differently, relate differently, and imagine new possibilities together. My guests will be people who inspire me, who challenge me to think differently. This podcast is guided by three principles from a book I published at the end of 2023 called Getting Over Ourselves: Moving beyond a culture of burnout, loneliness and narcissism. Those principles from the book are moving slowly, loving fiercely, and listening deeply. Moving slowly means taking time to really sit with ideas, to let complexity breathe rather than rushing to conclusions. Loving fiercely means knowing what we stand for and what we value. There will be a baseline of respect and appreciation here. And listening deeply means genuinely trying to understand what’s being said—unpacking concepts, exploring ideas, seeking comprehension rather than ammunition for debate. I’m looking for friends rather than enemies. That doesn’t mean naive agreement or pretending all ideas are equally valid—it means seeing the good in each other and creating space for genuine understanding. At this time of ecological upheaval, social violence, proposals of colonizing outer space, and the emergence of technologies like artificial intelligence, we are in some ways redefining or rediscovering what it means to be human. The word “human” shares its root with “humility”—it means to be of the earth, grounded, part of the ecosystem. Those of us who deeply value humanity need to figure out how to operate together—with each other and all of life. So if you’re ready for these conversations, welcome. Let’s find our way forward, together.

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