「改天再说」是一档非严肃生活类播客，主播老王是生活在上海的30s非典型女性。本节目将以女性视角出发，和你一起聊聊“她”们走过的路、掉过的坑。欢迎在喜马拉雅/小宇宙/苹果播客端进行订阅。（不）定期更新，谁知道呢。
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「改天再说」是一档非严肃生活类播客，主播老王是生活在上海的30s非典型女性。本节目将以女性视角出发，和你一起聊聊“她”们走过的路、掉过的坑。欢迎在喜马拉雅/小宇宙/苹果播客端进行订阅。（不）定期更新，谁知道呢。 邮箱：gaitianzaishuo886@163.com 微博：改天再说FM
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December 14, 2025
33. 从女主厨到开餐厅 ：我从不审判自己
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>人对一件事着魔了是怎样的体验？本期嘉宾是Crave和园有桃的老板Holly。主动放弃读研，每天工作16小时，在军队一样的后厨存活下来，最终竟然真地留在了餐饮行业——如果你也好奇这样的人生，来一起感受下吧。</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>用她的话说：“我不是谁，我只是顺利地经营了三家没倒闭的店”。虽然她很抗拒开网红餐厅，但她的店确实做出了沪上爆款肉桂卷，在竞争激烈的新乐路享有着一席之地。</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>在她身上我感受不到一点儿上海主理人的核心产物：傲慢与偏见，没有孤注一掷和苦大仇深，更没有拼了劲儿地想要证明自己。对她而言，人活着好像就是按部就班做好自己的事儿——我不是谁，我也不想改变世界。她说我想开一家餐厅，像欧洲那些有灵魂的小酒馆，能活一百年。</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>除此之外我们也聊到了真诚的代价、边界、生存与示弱。这是一场极为轻盈的对话，就像夏天洗了一个冷水澡。</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>收听愉快！</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><b>Show Notes</b></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>07:44</span></a><span> 店长被无理客人打了 我回了对方一巴掌</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>14:36</span></a><span> 放弃了读研去法国学厨 每天工作16小时也不觉得累</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>25:14</span></a><span> “我没感觉我火了，只是感觉不够卖” 做出了网红肉桂卷的餐厅Crave是如何诞生的</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>29:35</span></a><span> 一间能够长久经营的店 背后需要有一个真实的人——为什么很多漂亮饭餐厅感受不到灵魂</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>31:48</span></a><span> 人在生存模式下没有示弱的羞耻</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><a style="color:#4990E2;text-decoration:none;"><span>42:28</span></a><span> 世界本来就是不公平的 我不想改变什么</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><b>｜本期嘉宾｜</b></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>老王 Life Coach丨小红书@老王Cherry</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>Holly 主厨 Crave、园有桃餐厅老板丨小红书@Hollyme</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><b>｜互动投稿｜</b></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>如果你想来到这个频道与我对话，欢迎投稿wangxuechan0112@gmail.com</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>添加VX小助手wangxuechan，加入听友群</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><b>｜收听｜</b></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>本节目在以下渠道均可收听：苹果播客｜喜马拉雅｜小宇宙</span></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><b>｜找到主播老王 体验教练对话｜</b></span></p><img data-key="0" src="https://image.xyzcdn.net/loUjRniVsxESe2ASuKYAHabJOxT_.png"><span><br></span><br>
October 31, 2025
32. 对话青年演员成思彤：又一年乌镇 表演的初心与野心
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>《啊，宇宙之王》入围了青年竞演单元的决赛，这部散文诗一般的作品是如何诞生的？戏剧节期间的乌镇到底有什么特别？作为青年演员，参加乌镇戏剧节的创排与心路历程是怎样的？我带着好奇，来到了乌镇。</span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>初见思彤，是在极具讨论度的《身体世界》。她是我进入展厅后撞上的第一位演员，我惊讶于她的身体异于常人的放松感，她对我说“我好喜欢你的眉毛”。这次见面是在蚌湾剧场，不同的是我在台下，她在台上。</span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>第二天是个大晴天，我们痛快地聊了许多——关于戏剧、关于什么是真诚的表演、关于演员的初心与野心。</span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>致敬戏剧节所有可爱的演员和创作组们，谢谢你们的真诚、真诚会穿透一切来到观众身边️</span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>本节目在以下渠道均可收听：苹果播客｜喜马拉雅｜小宇宙</span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><b>Show Notes</b></span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>06:45 关于乌镇戏剧节和青年竞演单元 </span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>08:48《啊，宇宙之王》的诞生与创排感受</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>17:27 什么是“演员的初心”</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>21:52 青赛之后的挑战：入围了 获奖了 然后呢？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>26:41 关于戏剧节的争议 </span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>30:18 《一块钱》 老沈阳、铁西和一块钱冰棒的故事</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>37:11 Repo文化之下演员如何守住自己</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>45:20 名利场观察：乌镇的明星与大众之间隔着看不见的“第四堵墙”</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>49:16 《带小狗的女人》 “凡是虚伪假装的都是公开的，而那些真实的是躲在暗地里的“</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>56:59 你渴望成为主角吗？</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:05:59 做导演vs做演员：一切为了让“我”成为中心的表达都是虚伪的 </span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span><b>嘉宾</b></span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>老王 Life Coach丨小红书@老王Cherry</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>成思彤 演员 舞者 剧场创作者丨小红书@成思彤Euphoria</span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>添加VX小助手wangxuechan，加入听友群</span></p><br><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>如果你想来到这个频道与我对话，欢迎投稿wangxuechan0112@gmail.com</span></p><span><br></span>
June 5, 2025
31. 关于表达 文学少女回到现实
Blogger Emily discusses with host 老王 Cherry how expressing oneself confirms existence and constructs a worldview, especially for a literary youth entering society in this interview.
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