by 蔡骁、甜食
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March 4, 2024
<p>在这期节目中，蔡骁和 214、刘历讨论了 214 构想的一个线上摄影「流媒体」平台，一个由编辑主导的、可以依艺术家意愿付费提供照片浏览和下载的服务。</p> <p>本期话题也涉及：</p> <ul> <li>国内针对艺术摄影的讨论的缺失与分散</li> <li>线上购买/观看摄影作品和购买摄影书之间的关系</li> <li>艺术品（摄影作品）收藏市场</li> <li>214 作为全职摄影师的生计现状</li> </ul> <p>这次对话还有<a href="http://bilibili.com/video/BV1L24y1K7zP">另一个视频版本</a>，亦可在评论区找到一些关于节目话题的讨论。</p> <p>注：封面图由 Perplexity 生成，提示词为「Imagionary Spotify for photography」。</p> <p>主持：蔡骁<br /> 嘉宾：214，摄影师；刘历，摄影爱好者</p> <p>来信请寄：[email protected]<br /> 网站：<a href="https://byebye.photography/">https://byebye.photography/</a></p>
February 21, 2024
<p>这期节目录制的时间是 2023 年 4 月。当时 Midjourney V5 和 GPT 4 刚刚发布，生成式人工智能如日中天，人工智能这样的非人类创作者似乎终于在摄影这样的影像领域投入实用。甜食和蔡骁谈论了一个老问题：新摄影和旧摄影的分野是什么？这个分野真的存在吗？</p> <p>我们尝试了将「旧摄影」的本质属性定义为一种「在场感」，它来源于、但不仅来源于图像本身传递的真实性，也来源于、又不仅来源于图像产生的过程，以及生产图像的人。在今天，这种在场感的重要性和特异性和摄影这种媒介一起走向了没落，它也许会成为，或者可能已经成为了一种类似手工艺品的，供人赏玩的东西。</p> <p>而在剪辑完成时，OpenAI 发布了视频生成 AI Sora。很多人认为它和这些年我们看到的许多其它产品一样可以颠覆许多旧世界的事物。这让这段讨论略显过时，但仍保有一些意味。</p> <p><strong>章节：</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href="#t=00:00:00">00:00:00</a> 这期播客的契机：蔡驍认為「新摄影」与「传统摄影」之间的区别，不在於「真实与否」而在於「在场与否」</li> <li><a href="#t=00:09:10">00:09:10</a> 「在场感」来源於哪儿</li> <li><a href="#t=00:13:38">00:13:38</a> 「传统摄影的没落 vs 新摄影的兴起」类比於「胶片 vs 数码」</li> <li><a href="#t=00:16:43">00:16:43</a> 「新摄影」丧失了什么：「编辑」过的 vs 「未编辑」的</li> <li><a href="#t=00:23:59">00:23:59</a> 「在场感」由什么来保证</li> <li><a href="#t=00:26:53">00:26:53</a> 「在场感」在艺术创作里的「降格」</li> <li><a href="#t=00:32:04">00:32:04</a> 一种「现代的」（语境化的）看待艺术作品的方式</li> </ul> <p><strong>相关链接与补充参考：</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://podcast.latepost.com/34">《晚点聊》讨论「文字產生/修改图片的AI」的节目</a></li> <li>00:31:21 蔡骁的补充：「演员主体性的丧失和导演主体性的上升，可以类比於『被摄体』主体性的丧失和摄影师主体性的上升」<br /> 演员 ← → 被摄体<br /> 导演 ← → 摄影师</li> <li><a href="#t=00:36:56">00:36:56</a> <a href="https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/1360">Walker Evans 《American Photographs》</a></li> <li><a href="#t=00:37:21">00:37:21</a> <a href="https://johncage.org/pp/John-Cage-Work-Detail.cfm?work_ID=17">《四分三十三秒》</a></li> </ul> <p>注：封面图为摄于 1940 年的戈培尔家族合影。最上方着制服的哈罗德·匡特（Harald Quandt）的形象实际上是拼接而来，他本人在照片拍摄时并不在场。</p> <p>主持：蔡骁、甜食</p> <p>来信请寄：[email protected]<br /> 网站：<a href="https://byebye.photography/">https://byebye.photography/</a></p>
June 13, 2023
<p>蔡骁和甜食尝试尽量不涉及语境地讨论从深濑昌久的著名系列《鸦》中选取的九张照片。我们看到的照片原图附在下方，也会在支持章节图片功能的播客客户端中直接沿着讨论进度自动按照章节图片显示。</p> <div class="gallery"><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_206926.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_640/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_206926.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-1.jpg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="640" height="414" /></picture></figure></div><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_205419.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_800/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_205419.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-2.jpeg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="800" height="555" /></picture></figure></div><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_19487.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_1200/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_19487.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-3.jpg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="1200" height="630" /></picture></figure></div><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_176081.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_580/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_176081.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-4.jpg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="580" height="387" /></picture></figure></div><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_082218.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_320/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_082218.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-5.jpg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="320" height="208" /></picture></figure></div><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372888_960196.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_1340/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372888_960196.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-8.jpg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="1340" height="900" /></picture></figure></div><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_104524.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_900/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_104524.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-9.jpg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="900" height="631" /></picture></figure></div><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_082495.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_750/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_082495.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-11.jpg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="750" height="525" /></picture></figure></div><div class="gallery_column"><figure><picture><source srcset="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_016499.jpg?x-oss-process=image/auto-orient,1/interlace,1/quality,q_90/resize,m_lfit,w_708/format,webp" type="image/webp"><img src="https://i.typlog.com/byebyephotography/8313372993_016499.jpg" alt="深瀬昌久 鴉-12.jpg"loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="708" height="727" /></picture></figure></div></div> <p><strong>时间轴：</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href="#t=00:06:08">00:06:08</a> 收听说明</li> <li><a href="#t=00:07:11">00:07:11</a> 第一张</li> <li><a href="#t=00:11:35">00:11:35</a> 第二张</li> <li><a href="#t=00:13:40">00:13:40</a> 第三张</li> <li><a href="#t=00:17:41">00:17:41</a> 第四张</li> <li><a href="#t=00:19:33">00:19:33</a> 第五张</li> <li><a href="#t=00:22:46">00:22:46</a> 第六张</li> <li><a href="#t=00:27:23">00:27:23</a> 第七张</li> <li><a href="#t=00:31:29">00:31:29</a> 第八张</li> <li><a href="#t=00:33:37">00:33:37</a> 第九张</li> </ul> <p><strong>相关链接：</strong></p> <ul> <li>蔡骁涉及尤金・阿杰的文章<a href="https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/PhRC0NC1w1O0BEUP_rVJBw">《另一种摄影史 01》</a></li> <li>蔡骁翻译的大竹昭子关于《这张照片好厉害 2008》的对谈文章<a href="https://photonote.me/2017/05/22/0035/">《大竹昭子桑，請告訴我照片哪裡有趣》</a></li> </ul> <p>注：封面为 AI 工具 BlueWillow 生成的「按照深濑昌久《鸦》的风格拍摄的鸽子的照片」。<br /> 注二：这次聊天由蔡骁另行剪辑的一个视频版本<a href="https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16k4y1i7io/">可以在 Bilibili 看到</a>。</p> <p>主持：蔡骁、甜食</p> <p>来信请寄：[email protected]<br /> 网站：<a href="https://byebye.photography/">https://byebye.photography/</a></p>
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