Welcome to Get to the Heart, a podcast hosted by Michael Weidman and Bailey Mullens. Join us as we explore theological topics and try to uncover the deeper meaning behind them, just as Jesus did. Our goal is to help you apply the heart of these topics to your everyday walk with Jesus. In each episode, we dive into the nature and character of God and how understanding the details of what he is like can transform your walk with God. Through thought-provoking conversations and insights, we hope to guide you on a path of real growth and understanding.
Jesus Described Four Kinds of Hearts. Which One Is Yours?
Why can two people hear the same gospel and respond so differently? Michael and Bailey look at Jesus’ parable of the soils in Matthew 13, Mark 4, and Luke 8, focusing on the hard path and the rocky ground.
They talk about closed hearts, the limits of arguments, the appeal of Christian community, and what happens when following Jesus becomes costly. The conversation asks us to examine our own hearts as well as how we care for others.
After the prayer, a live-chat question leads to a discussion of God’s hiddenness, faithfulness, and the pressure to perform in a relationship with him. The remaining two soils are reserved for a later episode.
00:00 Which soil is your heart?
16:42 The hard path: hearing without understanding
34:47 When gospel conversations go in circles
45:49 Religious familiarity and a closed heart
53:06 How do we respond to a hard heart?
1:04:32 Rocky ground and shallow roots
1:18:43 Counting the cost of following Jesus
1:33:32 Becoming a faithful witness
1:48:08 Prayer
1:49:27 Questions after the prayer: God’s hiddenness
1:58:22 The pressure to perform for God
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11 Sept 2026
This Parable Will Change the Way You Evangelize | Mark 4
This parable reframed how we think about sharing the gospel. In this episode of Get to the Heart, we explore Mark 4 and what the parable of the sower reveals about how people receive the Word.
Michael and Bailey talk about listening before speaking, asking better questions, building relationships through love and joy, and recognizing that spiritual growth cannot be forced. Michael also shares how this teaching changed his own approach to ministry and evangelism.
Where have you seen listening open a door that more talking could not? Share your experience in the comments.
Scripture focus: Mark 4, including the parable of the sower and the growing seed.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Welcome back and the setting of Mark 4
06:49 Why Jesus taught in parables
20:28 Curiosity, humility and asking for help
23:00 The lamp and the measure you use
28:16 When evangelism pushes family away
42:12 What young people need from the church
55:22 How can a fool become wise?
1:03:43 Love, trust and a joyful family life
1:20:01 You cannot force someone to believe
1:27:23 The growing seed and patience with God
1:37:32 Closing prayer
15 Dec 2025
Scripture Says WHAT About the Kingdom and Other Dimensions?
Join Bailey, Michael, and special guest, Caleb, as they discuss what Scripture has to say concerning Cosmology. Was the Garden of Eden a combination of realms before the Fall? Is the Kingdom of Heaven a real place that is more than spiritual? Where and what exactly is Hell? Join us as we discuss and attempt to answer these questions.
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