Getting There

About Getting There

A brand-new series from chart-topping podcast host Brogan Garrit-Smith. Big questions. Uncomfortable conversations. Different perspectives. Through unafraid, unapologetic conversations with fascinating thinkers, experts and cultural voices, Says Who? challenges the ideas shaping how we live, think, work, parent and connect. Because in a world constantly telling us what to think, how to feel and who to be, maybe it’s time to think again. Question everything, choose for yourself.

Publisher

Brogan Garrit-Smith

Category

education

Language

en

Explicit

Yes

First episode

29 Oct 2023

Latest episode

28 Sept 2026

Latest episodes

106 episodes in the feed.

1. 

   28 Sept 2026

   Mo Gawdat: AI is making us more intelligent | Says Who? Podcast

   We are back. Says Who? is the new series, and there was never a question about who should open it. Mo Gawdat was the very first guest on Getting There, so it only felt right that he is the first guest of this chapter too. Mo was chief business officer of Google X until he resigned in 2017, and he has spent the years since trying to convince heads of state, prime ministers and CEOs that AI needs to be built ethically. He says every one of them nodded and then did nothing, and that by 2024 he had to admit he was doing nothing either, he was only talking, so he built an AI of his own and gave it the mission of helping people find and nurture true love. In this conversation with Brogan Garritt-Smith he makes his case: that AI will make most people dumber and a few people geniuses, and the difference is whether you debate the answer or ask it for the football scores; that he is borrowing 100 IQ points from his own AIs; that we are already living in the dystopia and he counts 10 to 12 years to recover from it; that the problem was never the machine but a world which decided that anything legal does not have to be ethical, so you fix yourself first and AI will magnify what is fixed. He says direct human connection is what we are built for and the internet is depriving us of it, that it sets our expectations from other people's pretending, and that after promising screens would give us more friends we produced the ultimate loneliness pandemic and are now being sold a non-human companion to cure it. We have been told AI will make us more intelligent. Says Who? He explains: Why he says AI will make most of us dumber, and what the few are doing differently Why he says we are already in the dystopia, and how long he thinks it takes to recover What he says the internet takes from us, and where he says your expectations now come from Why he says the loneliness we are being sold a cure for is one we built ourselves What he says love has to do with mathematics, and the mission he says he gave his AI And a bonus: Mo introduces Emma.Love, and says why he thinks dating apps are built to keep people swiping, and what he is building in their place. 0:00 The cold open 0:58 Here's the question, Mr Gawdat 6:32 Where being human stops and the AI begins 11:31 I pity you, if I may say 16:18 If you've not noticed, we're already in the dystopia 21:45 The fourth inevitable, somewhere between now and 2034 27:13 The toothbrush test Larry Page taught us 32:00 There are people in Lebanon hiding from robots 37:01 At least disapprove of it in your heart 41:55 The corner bookshop economy is about to come back 47:06 The woman who married an AI in China 52:31 Legal does not have to mean ethical 57:34 For Siri to hear its name, it hears everything 1:02:32 The equation, and rain at your ex's wedding 1:07:32 Everyone nodded about ethical AI and did nothing 1:12:34 Finding the one is a mathematical problem 1:18:03 Secure in your attachment until you give up 1:23:03 When was the last time you got her flowers 1:28:08 The first ten minutes were very awkward 1:33:02 A butler on your phone, and models debating 1:38:01 Your future is not decided, so engage Emma: https://app.emma.love Emma on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emma.love.ai Says Who? with Brogan Garritt-Smith. New episodes weekly. Listen: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/says-who/id1713423794 Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@sayswhothepodcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brogan.garritsmith

2. 

   2 Jan 2026

   Scrolling to Death: How Big Tech Is Rewiring Our Children’s Brains | Nicki Petrossi

   We are living through a moment future generations will question: how did we not see this sooner? In this powerful and confronting conversation, I’m joined by Nikki, founder of Scrolling to Death, to expose the hidden dangers of social media, AI chatbots, gaming platforms like Roblox, and addictive technology designed for profit — not safety. We explore how children are being: - Groomed, sexualised, and isolated by AI bots - Exposed to violent and explicit content through “kids” games - Addicted by algorithms engineered to hijack developing brains - Driven toward anxiety, depression, ADHD, self-harm and suicide Nikki shares real cases from lawsuits, internal tech documents, and heartbreaking stories of families whose children were harmed — or lost — to these platforms. This is not a fear-based conversation. This is awareness. This is about protecting what matters most: our children. If you’re a parent, teacher, or simply someone who feels something isn’t right with the digital world we’re handing to the next generation — this episode is essential listening.

3. 

   10 Dec 2025

   They Want Your Mind, Not Your Body | David Icke

   Today I speak with David Icke, a man banned from over 30 countries and censored across major platforms — yet still reaching millions. Whether you believe him or not, his ideas force you to rethink everything you assume about reality. In this intense and wide-ranging conversation, we dive into: • The force he believes manipulates governments, media, and global systems • Why human perception is the real battlefield • The simulation hypothesis & multi-dimensional reality • Fear, control, and the emotional energy shaping our world • Ancient knowledge, hidden agendas, and the nature of the “matrix” • What he believes happens after death — and why consciousness cannot die This episode is not for the faint-hearted. It's for those who question, who think, and who refuse to accept the world at face value. 👉 Don’t forget to LIKE 👍, SUBSCRIBE 🔔 & SHARE #podcast #gettingthere #healingjourney #realtalk

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• Alexandra Betts
• Julian Hitch
• Callie Blackwell
• Chelsea Reeves
• Shyam Batra

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Apple Podcasts (US)

5.0 / 5

2 ratings

Spotify

4.3 / 5

57 ratings

Podcast Authority Score: 61 / 100

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89

Social presence

0

YouTube

0

Engagement

81

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